Deadpool

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

My argument was really never against the violence. It was more about the language and sexual situations. And I'm not a prude. I love those things in most movies, and I'm sure I'll love it in this one too, when I see it, but I just don't think it's the only way it could have been.

It was the best way it could have been made and the results "speak for themselves". Biggest opening weekend in the history of Fox, already the biggest comic based film for Fox, besting most of the Disney Marvel superhero movies, finishing at #1 or #2 in the all time domestic box office for an R rated film. Fox is not going to change one thing here...they would be crazy to.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Exactly my point. Well, one of them. If the movie can't be cut into a more kid-suitable movie, then so be it, but let's not act like this is the only way the character should exist, when it hasn't always been this way. It's just the most commonly preferred way amongst fans.

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

It was the best way it could have been made and the results "speak for themselves". Biggest opening weekend in the history of Fox, already the biggest comic based film for Fox, besting most of the Disney Marvel superhero movies, finishing at #1 or #2 in the all time domestic box office for an R rated film. Fox is not going to change one thing here...they would be crazy to.

Dont be surprised. They are successful with the X-Men films yet Deadpool practically grossed more money than all of them, so Fox may apply the same Deadpool formula to future X-Men films which may not work. The fun and colorful X-Men universe hinted in Deadpool may not be directed well in future X-Men films. See what happened to Trank's FF4? People were craving dark and grounded - that has been the trend but just because it was done in FF4, it didnnt make it good. So it's quite possible that Fox goes "use the same formula patern as Deadpool" crazy and the next X-Men films may be so bad (like Trank's FF4), that we will all be craving Singer's dark black costumed X-men movies.

Fox just needs to continie hiring good crews (directors, writers, actors). Simple as that and success will come to any kind of superhero movie they make.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

It was the best way it could have been made and the results "speak for themselves". Biggest opening weekend in the history of Fox, already the biggest comic based film for Fox, besting most of the Disney Marvel superhero movies, finishing at #1 or #2 in the all time domestic box office for an R rated film. Fox is not going to change one thing here...they would be crazy to.

Well, it has a winning formula that works for the movie, that much is obvious. No one is debating that. People like things in excess, and because of it, the film is a success. But again, where would the harm be if they had happened to decide to make two cuts of the film? If, and I stress if, they could have pulled it off, wouldn't having a larger audience finding appreciation in one of the two versions of the film have been more of a win for the studio and everyone? How can anyone say no, if their preferred rated version still existed and wasn't compromised? That the only thing I ever suggested and I got lambasted as if I was speaking against God.

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Dont be surprised. They are successful with the X-Men films yet Deadpool practically grossed more money than all of them, so Fox may apply the same Deadpool formula to future X-Men films which may not work. The fun and colorful X-Men universe hinted in Deadpool may not be directed well in future X-Men films. See what happened to Trank's FF4? People were craving dark and grounded - that has been the trend but just because it was done in FF4, it didnnt make it good. So it's quite possible that Fox goes "use the same formula patern as Deadpool" crazy and the next X-Men films may be so bad (like Trank's FF4), that we will all be craving Singer's dark black costumed X-men movies.

Fox just needs to continie hiring good crews (directors, writers, actors). Simple as that and success will come to any kind of superhero movie they make.

I don't mind the violence. It goes with the territory, but I don't want to see or hear about Jean Grey and Scott Summers screwing. It can be alluded to, but let's not be crude about it. Nor do I want to hear vulgar jokes and constant profanity being spouted amongst all the mutants. If Fox wants to make an R-rated X-Force or Wolverine movie, because of the violence, I'm totally okay with that and welcome the bloodshed, but I think X-Men should definitely stay PG-13. Like you said, it all comes down to good writing and direction.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Dont be surprised. They are successful with the X-Men films yet Deadpool practically grossed more money than all of them, so Fox may apply the same Deadpool formula to future X-Men films which may not work. The fun and colorful X-Men universe hinted in Deadpool may not be directed well in future X-Men films. See what happened to Trank's FF4? People were craving dark and grounded - that has been the trend but just because it was done in FF4, it didnnt make it good. So it's quite possible that Fox goes "use the same formula patern as Deadpool" crazy and the next X-Men films may be so bad (like Trank's FF4), that we will all be craving Singer's dark black costumed X-men movies.

Fox just needs to continie hiring good crews (directors, writers, actors). Simple as that and success will come to any kind of superhero movie they make.

Good ingredients tend to make good food, a concept that seems to be lost on many in Hollywood.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Well, it has a winning formula that works for the movie, that much is obvious. No one is debating that. People like things in excess, and because of it, the film is a success. But again, where would the harm be if they had happened to decide to make two cuts of the film? If, and I stress if, they could have pulled it off, wouldn't having a larger audience finding appreciation in one of the two versions of the film have been more of a win for the studio and everyone? How can anyone say no, if their preferred rated version still existed and wasn't compromised? That the only thing I ever suggested and I got lambasted as if I was speaking against God.

I fine with two cuts... it could be a good ideafor people with young children. My son is 12 and I dont feel comfortable with him watching Deadpool. My post is mainly aimed at Deadpool sequels.

[recS-12]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

My argument was really never against the violence. It was more about the language and sexual situations. And I'm not a prude. I love those things in most movies, and I'm sure I'll love it in this one too, when I see it, I just don't think it's the only way it could have been, but they wanted an adult movie and that's what they made.

You originally mentioned (before you or the mods edited it out) that you believe Fox was potentially "selling themselves short" by keeping that stuff in. At $600+ million worldwide that statement is really, really weak. You are the one who stated you wish you could take your 10 year old son w/u to watch. What maybe you, and everybody else, may or may not have overlooked is that a lot of "super hero movie fans" are just on the verge of having their fill on the whole genre. Deadpool is exactly like if the creators of "Family Guy" were to do a "superhero" movie. I put that in quotes because DP is not Bruce Wayne, not Capt. America, not Thor. Could he have been written w/less sexualization, less obscenity? Of course! But that's not (thank everyone involved who made it happen) how they made this movie. This is what audiences loved about it. It's different, it's highly sexualized, obscene. For you to put your .02 BEFORE you've even seen it is gonna get a response like the one you got the night you got suspended. It's inevitable. The fact that you mentioned you wished it left out the f#%*!*g & the sexual references out so you could take your 10 yr old w/you is what makes this film WORK! The jokes, the writing, the references, etc. I'm all for letting people express their opinions but c'mon man!!! Go see the movie THEN come back & share w/us. Otherwise, IMO, I just can't take you seriously...For the sake of you wanting stuff left out.
Also, you seem like a reasonably intelligent guy. Do you think normally people go into threads about a movie, express they don't like certain aspects of it & wish it could be changed or all together left out? For what? So they could take their young children w/them??? How do you not expect to have rocks thrown at you? ESPECIALLY on the Internet?

[ThatOneGuy]

This thread is making me cringe at the idea that people would actually argue for a PG-13 Spawn/Crow/Witchblade/Punisher film if those every happen (again).

Deadpool might of been dumbed down a couple of times but for the most part, his solo comics are really gruesome.

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[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by recS-12

You originally mentioned (before you or the mods edited it out) that you believe Fox was potentially "selling themselves short" by keeping that stuff in. At 600+ million worldwide that statement is really, really weak. You are the one who stated you wish you could take your 10 year old son w/u to watch. What maybe you, and everybody else, may or may not have overlooked is that a lot of "super hero movie fans" are just on the verge of having their fill on the whole genre. Deadpool is exactly like if the creators of "Family Guy" were to do a "superhero" movie. I put that in quotes because DP is not Bruce Wayne, not Capt. America, not Thor. Could he have been written w/less sexualization, less obscenity? Of course! But that's not (thank everyone involved who made it happen) how they made this movie. This is what audiences loved about it. It's different, it's highly sexualized, highly obscene. For you to put your .02 BEFORE you've even seen it is gonna get a response like the one you get the night you got suspended is inevitable. The fact that you mentioned you wished it left out the f#%*!€"g & the sexual references out so you could take your 10 yr old w/you is what makes this film WORK! The jokes, the writing, the references, etc. I'm all for letting people express their opinions but c'mon man!!! Go see the movie THEN come back & share w/us. Otherwise, IMO, I just can't take you seriously...For the sake of you wanting stuff left out.

I'm talking about a second cut of the film, not about taking my kid to see the original cut. It makes no difference whether or not I see the film to know that most kids aren't able to see this movie. It's an R-rated movie and we all know the reasons why. It's not about me wanting stuff left out, it's about considering a lesser rating for younger viewers to see. My point still stands whether I see the film or not, or whether I like it or not. I've explained my stance. You just want to take what you want out of it, because you're just looking for a reason to disapprove of my opinion, simply because you don't want to entertain the idea of the movie being altered in any way if at all possible.

[Batman1980]

JK we rarely agree but those comic frames look like they could be lifted right into the Deadpool sequel without really missing a beat.

[recS-12]

Originally Posted by John Klein

This thread is making me cringe at the idea that people would actually argue for a PG-13 Spawn/Crow/Witchblade/Punisher film if those every happen (again).

Deadpool might of been dumbed down a couple of times but for the most part, his solo comics are really gruesome.

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If he replies it will be he has no issue w/the violence as he understands it's part of the superhero genre. What he's alluded to is he wished it was done w/out the sexuality and sexual references and sexual obscenities so he could have taken his young son w/him. Or, he'll say he hopes they release 2 cuts of the film so his son can watch. Entitled much....

[recS-12]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

I'm talking about a second cut of the film, not about taking my kid to see the original cut. It makes no difference whether or not I see the film to know that most kids aren't able to see this movie. It's an R-rated movie and we all know the reasons why. It's not about me wanting stuff left out, it's about considering a lesser rating for younger viewers to see. My point still stands whether I see the film or not, or whether I like it or not. I've explained my stance. You just want to take what you want out of it, because you're just looking for a reason to disapprove of my opinion, simply because you don't want to entertain the idea of the movie being altered in any way if at all possible.

That might have some merit, except I was w/u & the other dude in the same conversation before you both got suspended. You mentioned you wanted to take your kid & wished/hoped they released a PG-13 version. Those posts have been edited out now but it's ok. I won't resort to calling other members names because I have a different "opinion". I'm done...movie title thread is calling me.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by recS-12

If he replies it will be he has no issue w/the violence as he understands it's part of the superhero genre. What he's alluded to is he wished it was done w/out the sexuality and sexual references and sexual obscenities so he could have taken his young son w/him. Or, he'll say he hopes they release 2 cuts of the film so his son can watch. Entitled much....

I wish I could let my 8 year old niece see it, guess I will have to settle for taking her with me to one of my 20+ viewings of B v S.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by recS-12

That might have some merit, except I was w/u & the other dude in the same conversation before you both got suspended. You mentioned you wanted to take your kid & wished/hoped they released a PG-13 version. Those posts have been edited out now but it's ok. I won't resort to calling other members names because I have a different "opinion". I'm done...movie title thread is calling me.

Y'see, here's the thing.... Maybe it isn't possible to edit this movie down, due to how much R-rated material it has weaved throughout and without it affecting the story and the movie as a whole, BUT the argument most people seem to have against me is more about me proposing such a thing, and that's just wrong. Really, it was only a theoretical suggestion and wishful thinking on my part, but all of these obsessive fanboys seem to be acting like I'm starting some sort of petition or crusade against Fox for making the movie rated R in the first place. Which was totally not the case, if you haven't been paying attention to my posts.

It's just funny how many times we so called adults have movies released in theaters and everyone hopes for some directors cut or unrated or extreme rated version of a movie with more of everything we didn't see, but we don't dare think about editing anything out or censoring for the sake of younger viewers. Again, this is all moot at this point, I just think people are weird to be acting so touchy about the suggestion, especially if they know it can't really happen.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by John Klein

This thread is making me cringe at the idea that people would actually argue for a PG-13 Spawn/Crow/Witchblade/Punisher film if those every happen (again).

Deadpool might of been dumbed down a couple of times but for the most part, his solo comics are really gruesome.

Well it looks like three times was not a charm for the R-rated Punisher films. I woudnt be surprised if a PG-rated Punisher movie would outdue the three previous piece of turds. Now woudnt that be something? Regardless of the rating, I just want to see a good Punisher film. Everyone expects Punisher to be all dark and serious but it's quite possible movie Punisher can work better costarring with another fun character like Spiderman or Deadpool.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Well it looks like three times was not a charm for the R-rated Punisher films. I woudnt be surprised if a PG-rated Punisher movie would outdue the three previous piece of turds. Now woudnt that be something? Regardless of the rating, I just want to see a good Punisher film. Everyone expects Punisher to be all dark and serious but it's quite possible movie Punisher cant work better costarring with another fun character like Spiderman or Deadpool.

He is a character in season 2 of Netflix's Daredevil.

Also, I'll even protest and boycott a Superhero film if they dumb it down to a PG film. What are they going to do, hug each other? This isn't the 1980s where you can actually put some really f*cked up shit in a PG film, like they did with Gremlins.

[supersix4]

As I said earlier what on earth is wrong with him having to wait 2-4 years to watch it with you? I mean plenty of my friends were watching Aliens and Predators before me but my dad waited and I watched it with him around 12-14...

Like seriously is the instant gratification due to its success and marketing so great that the thought actually sounds good that they should start making dual versions of movies that end up being breakout sensations.

[spanky87]

The only way this film should exist is with Deadpool getting pegged by Morena Baccarin.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by supersix4

As I said earlier what on earth is wrong with him having to wait 2-4 years to watch it with you? I mean plenty of my friends were watching Aliens and Predators before me but my dad waited and I watched it with him around 12-14...

Like seriously is the instant gratification due to its success and marketing so great that the thought actually sounds good that they should start making dual versions of movies that end up being breakout sensations.

It's unbelievable how much people are either not reading my posts entirely, or they are only taking away from them what they want to take away from them in order to engage me or to keep the discussion going, or to pretty much just beat me down.

I've explained myself several times, and I've said all I can say, and it wasn't just about my kid. It was me, as a comic book and movie fan, suggesting and hypothetically speaking about the possibility, if at all possible, of Fox making an censored version for wider audiences, and not just for my kid's sake. Even if I didn't have a kid, I'd be curious to see if it could be pulled off, since we always have studios doing the reverse (like in the case of The Wolverine) where a theatrical movie gets a second cut on home video with more extreme material added.

Really, I've said all I can say on the matter, repeatedly. As it has been said by others, it's an impossibility to do so with the Deadpool movie anyway, simply because of how much extreme material there is in the film and how it is structured, so what's the point of discussing it any further?

If anyone doesn't agree with my opinion, or the idea of me suggesting such a thing, that's okay. But again, I just want to point out the Deadpool character isn't Goodfellas, it isn't Alien or Predator, it's a costumed comic book character that has been used several ways on several age levels in several mediums, and he has interacted with several other all-age characters like The X-Men, The Hulk, and Spider-Man, so of course the interest in the character isn't just by adults, and that's the only thing here that isn't an opinion, but a fact, and I hope what people do take away from all this.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by spanky87

The only way this film should exist is with Deadpool getting pegged by Morena Baccarin.

you know, I almost, almost, forgot she hit him in the seat!

wonder if she ever hit Mal like that while onboard the Serenity? now, Jane, Jane would be down for some of that action!

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

It's unbelievable how much people are either not reading my posts entirely, or they are only taking away from them what they want to take away from them in order to engage me or to keep the discussion going, or to pretty much just beat me down.

I've explained myself several times, and I've said all I can say, and it wasn't just about my kid. It was me, as a comic book and movie fan, suggesting and hypothetically speaking about the possibility, if at all possible, of Fox making an censored version for wider audiences, and not just for my kid's sake. Even if I didn't have a kid, I'd be curious to see if it could be pulled off, since we always have studios doing the reverse (like in the case of The Wolverine) where a theatrical movie gets a second cut on home video with more extreme material added.

Really, I've said all I can say on the matter, repeatedly. As it has been said by others, it's an impossibility to do so with the Deadpool movie anyway, simply because of how much extreme material there is in the film and how it is structured, so what's the point of discussing it any further?

If anyone doesn't agree with my opinion, or the idea of me suggesting such a thing, that's okay. But again, I just want to point out the Deadpool character isn't Goodfellas, it isn't Alien or Predator, it's a costumed comic book character that has been used several ways on several age levels in several mediums, and he has interacted with several other all-age characters like The X-Men, The Hulk, and Spider-Man, so of course the interest in the character isn't just by adults, and that's the only thing here that isn't an opinion, but a fact, and I hope what people do take away from all this.

I did read it, and every post for that matter, what I'm saying is the mere fact that you are even thinking it's remotely worth considering is outright absurd.

Just that it would be equally absurd of me to write "You know I think Lamborghini should sell a few cars each year for 20,000 dollars so the average joe can get to experience what its like"