Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I wouldn't mind a young Obi Wan film with McGregor but Padme and Mace Windu are dead and need to stay that way. Young Anakin doesn't belong in any future Star Wars films, either. Disney has a good thing going with the new films and I don't think they will want to really bring the Prequels into them.

Well, Jimmy Smits was in two prequels and they put him in Rogue One.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Well, Jimmy Smits was in two prequels and they put him in Rogue One.

True, but his character was mentioned in ANH (as the intended recipient of the Death Star plans stored in R2D2 per Leia's holo-message to Obi-Wan). As such, there's more than enough justification in the OT by itself to have Bail Organa in Rogue One.

As for Jimmy Smits himself, there's no reason not to have him reprise the role in Rogue One since he doesn't look that much different than when he played Bail Organa in the early/mid 2000s. His role in the PT films was small enough in terms of screen time (and inoffensive enough in terms of performance) that no one could legitimately hold over a negative reaction to him showing up in the later film.

Seriously if you asked 100 fans about how good/bad he was in ROTS, the only answer you'd get would be "Oh yeah, I forgot he was in that film!" That's not a dig at him mind you, but just reflecting the fact that of all the myriad problems that the PT had, he wasn't one of them and as such slips out of mind.

[ElvisForever]

What I find literally comical is people supporting CGI Leia where Carrie Fisher will have no input in the future, and Peter Cushing who didn't even see the bastardization, but there will be active put down of Hayden who is an essential part of Lucas vision.

Thankfully, I think cooler heads will prevail and we will be seeing Hayden again.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by svenge

Seriously if you asked 100 fans about how good/bad he was in ROTS, the only answer you'd get would be "Oh yeah, I forgot he was in that film!"

I thought he was pretty terrible, actually. I won't put it all on him but his scenes were pretty cringeworthy.

He was at least as disappointing as SLJ.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Well, Jimmy Smits was in two prequels and they put him in Rogue One.

There's also the fact that Vader's castle in Rogue One was located on Mustafar from Revenge of the Sith.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

What I find literally comical is people supporting CGI Leia where Carrie Fisher will have no input in the future, and Peter Cushing who didn't even see the bastardization, but there will be active put down of Hayden who is an essential part of Lucas vision.

Thankfully, I think cooler heads will prevail and we will be seeing Hayden again.

It would be a shame for the old guard not to feature as Force Ghosts at some point. I still adore the idea of Ani's spectral form flitting between Anakin and Vader as seen in the TFA concept art.

Originally Posted by octagon

I thought he was pretty terrible, actually. I won't put it all on him but his scenes were pretty cringeworthy.

He was at least as disappointing as SLJ.

He just doesn't get a lot to do, so he doesn't bother me. And I like that bit when the trooper says "it's time for you to leave" and he replies with a deadpan "...and so it is".

[Hardback247]

The PT hate will never truly go away, will it?

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

The PT hate will never truly go away, will it?

Not until they are remade into better movies.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by svenge

1) Lucas' so-called "vision" has changed so much between 1983 and the present day that using that canard as a talking point is of absolutely no value.

2) Hayden Christensen is the most prominent member of the triumvirate of PT failures (along with Jar-Jar and the trilogy's crap writing in general), so of course the fanbase doesn't want to see him in anything Star Wars related in the future. Only delusional revisionists like you would want him polluting the sequel trilogy as badly as he screwed up the prequels.

3) People didn't mind Carrie Fisher and Peter Cushing being re-created on screen because they didn't suck in their original performances.

The dead Peter Cushing gave a more lifelike performance in Rogue One than any actor gave in the Prequels.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

He just doesn't get a lot to do, so he doesn't bother me. And I like that bit when the trooper says "it's time for you to leave" and he replies with a deadpan "...and so it is".

Yeah, true, I shouldn't lump him in with SLJ because SLJ had more opportunities to rise above the material. And this is obviously superficial but it didn't help that he looked so heavy in Sith. It just sort of reinforced the 'phoning it in' feel. Or maybe that's where it started for me.

And it really didn't help that his biggest dramatic moments were in that stupid 'lost the will to live' sequence. Nobody got out of that one unscathed

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

The PT hate will never truly go away, will it?

Not until there's a proper BD release that doesn't end like this:



Also, a written guarantee that no one who took part in the casting, writing and/or filming of the PT will be allowed within 100m of any future Star Wars production would also help.

[stvn1974]

I always wondered if each of the younglings that Anakin slaughtered got to become Force ghosts?

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Not until they are remade into better movies.

You know damn well that will NEVER happen. You'll just have to live with them.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

The dead Peter Cushing gave a more lifelike performance in Rogue One than any actor gave in the Prequels.

No hyperbole, please.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

The PT hate will never truly go away, will it?

The constant hate talk is so old. So no, it won't go away with some posters.

Hayden ended the movies because that is how Lucas wanted it. If you watch all 6 movies in a row, it absolutely makes sense.

But of course it also requires someone being open minded instead of constantly ragging on the movies until it makes everyone sick.

It sucks...I hate....Lucas is the devil....yeah I got it. But of course that isn't enough. There has to be constant torture about it.

Worse, it is active stalking on Jake and Hayden until they actually cannot even lead happy lives!

Xxxxx

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I always wondered if each of the younglings that Anakin slaughtered got to become Force ghosts?

Whether they are or not, I am sure it has nothing to do with what Luke saw.

[ambient_indie]

As much as I dislike the Prequels, I feel that the actors including Hayden could be much better with a better script and a stronger director. George is very creative and has a strong vision, but he struggles with actors.

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I wouldn't mind a young Obi Wan film with McGregor but Padme and Mace Windu are dead and need to stay that way. Young Anakin doesn't belong in any future Star Wars films, either. Disney has a good thing going with the new films and I don't think they will want to really bring the Prequels into them.

Except that part when Hayden almost came back in the first movie they made. But then again, it would've been different from the OT, and we can't have that, can we?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

A good actor doesn't need a director to tell them what to do.

Bull. This kind of statement is born only from people who have never set foot on a working stage in their lives. Producer wants to mount something, hires a director...or director wants to mount something and hires a producer...or wealthy popular actor wants to do something and hires a director and a producer. Hayden was none of those things. Actors are typically hired to do a job for the director or the producer. It's a job. Assuming the producer and the director are on the same page, the actor is basically a tradesman doing what he's asked to do. Sometimes it is deeply uncomfortable or even unsettling, and an actor exerts what effort he can to fix it, or quits, or sucks it up, gets paid, and complains about it later. Actors don't get to choose their takes, they don't walk into the edit bay and tell the editor and director how they want to be seen. It's a trust game, but really, you're cogs in someone else's wheel.

In the acting program at the University of Texas, we were required to be available to the students in the graduate directing program. We had no choice, and if any one of us refused to work with someone or refused to work on a project, the penalty was expulsion. Same thing in tech in the working industry -- if you're the house sound designer or lighting assistant at a theater, and a show comes in and it's a hot mess, you do your job, get paid, go home, and shake your head. I've worked on more garbage than cats in a dumpster. That's the life, that's reality. Imagine Hayden being offered the role of Anakin Skywalker, being told he's playing a good man who falls to evil because of love for his family, like Michael Corleone, and then he gets the script and -- well.

Hayden was hired to perform a job by a very powerful producer/director, thought he was going to be doing one thing, script comes in so late on Episode II, he learns he has to be doing something else entirely. He voices his concern. "This is not what I signed up for." Lucas says, "Well, that's the role." He could have walked, I suppose. His career would be over, but he could have walked. He stuck it out, but asserted himself more on Revenge of the Sith.

The fundamental problem with Hayden's performance is not Hayden. It's the screenplay and the director. He did what he was asked to do, and it did him no favors other than residuals.

[Portista]

I seem to remember Lucas and Gurland saying something along the lines of it being the amazing chemistry between Christensen and Portman (during screentests for ATOC) that got Hayden the gig.

It's a shame that never made it into the final product(s).

[rickah88]

Couldn't hold out any longer...block list feature enabled.
Bliss!

I'm pretty sure that member won't be actually adding any useful release information any time soon, and in the rare event they do, it's not worth the page upon page of inane arguments. And this is coming from someone that likes to defend a point, but FFS, that person puts me to shame! It's like arguing just for the very sake of arguing then being oblivious to it all.

Yes I like all the SW films, and I would love the UOT on BD asap, but have realized that ranting and raving...on either side...only accomplishes one thing: furthering a dumb argument.