Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

"So Anakin kneels before Monster-Mash and pledges his loyalty to the grave-yard-smash."

I seriously cracked up the first time that I heard it.

That is actually kind of funny. Almost as good as when Luke goes from playing rock'em sock'em robots with Asteroid game FX on Hoth to landing on a marsh planet for an episode of the Muppet Show.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

That is actually kind of funny. Almost as good as when Luke goes from playing rock'em sock'em robots with Asteroid game FX on Hoth to landing on a marsh planet for an episode of the Muppet Show.

Heh. "Mommy, when did Kermit and Fozzie Bear have a love child?"

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

Heh. "Mommy, when did Kermit and Fozzie Bear have a love child?"

More like Missy Piggy got gang banged by Fozzy, Grover, and Animal and puppet Yoda was the result. Way to go on showing us your voice range for Yoda too Oz! Thankfully, Oz did PT Yoda when he was older and it separates his voice from those old skool muppets a little more.

[STARKILLER--1138]

So the conclusion is that there isn't one [referring to ANH's lack of main character]. Before the movie opened, I was really excited to hear that American Actor "Harrison Ford" was going to be playing Han Solo. I thought that was a great choice and he would be perfect as the lead of this movie. But he wasn't really. He just sat on the ship and complains a lot.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

I never did get around to watching the reviews of Ep 2 or 3. I did enjoy his TPM review, however.

They are meant to be entertaining not analytical. I watched them for the humor myself. And I fully believe thats what they were intended for. No reason to over anylize them like some appear to be doing. I haven't watched all of the rots review yet but I love the monster smash line stated earlier. You should definitely check out the other two out.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

Heh. "Mommy, when did Kermit and Fozzie Bear have a love child?"

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

More like Missy Piggy got gang banged by Fozzy, Grover, and Animal and puppet Yoda was the result. Way to go on showing us your voice range for Yoda too Oz! Thankfully, Oz did PT Yoda when he was older and it separates his voice from those old skool muppets a little more.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think theres a big difference in wanting something spelled out for you because you haven't paid attention and asking for something to be spelled out for you because it doesn't make sense.

I don't think films should come with user manuals.

Stories should have most, if not all of the pieces, but the puzzle shouldn't necessarily be put together for you. In most movies, especially today, you can pretty guess what is going on rather early. So when a character says "Wait a minute...(insert obvious plot point here) is really happening!", it gets a little redundant.

Most movies are rather straight-forward if you pay attention, watch character's mannerisms and body language, really listen to what they have to say, etc.

Star Wars is far from complex. It's simplistic. These are good guys. These are the bad guys. These are their motivations. This is the battle. Here is what these guys are trying to do. Bad guys are trying to stop them, etc.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

That is actually kind of funny. Almost as good as when Luke goes from playing rock'em sock'em robots with Asteroid game FX on Hoth to landing on a marsh planet for an episode of the Muppet Show.

Love it. LOL

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

You can tear apart just about any movie with enough effort. Including so-called classics like Godfather..

Whoa, whoa, whoa.. Them right there be fightin' words kiddo. No one whom knows ANYTHING about the blockbuster era of filmmaking (or has studied film for that matter) would ever say what you just typed. The Godfather is NOT a 'so called classic'; it IS a classic. By all measures the Godfather is more important to film than any of the star wars movies.

Listen, I respect your opinions on the PT, I really do. But do not drag what is seen as argulably one of the greatest movies ever made into this discussion. Keep your crazy speak to Star Wars.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'd agree with you even more if I thought that Lucas had actually planned out the more obtuse story points of the prequels in an effort to make us think, but instead he hasn't got a clue. George was making it up as he went along

That's how most writing works. He had the idea of where he wanted to take the saga. The rest he filled in. He abandoned many concepts, retooled them for later films (not just for Star Wars either), etc. At one point, Luke was a girl. At another, his sister was a completely different person. Heck, he didn't decide to kill off Obi Wan until some point during production. Originally, he survived the Death Star, gave the attack plan to the rebels, and stood around for the rest of the film. Lucas told Guinness that he had decided to kill of his character and Guinness wasn't all that happy, until Lucas explained that it would have a greater impact on the film dramatically. At another point, ESB had a trip to Kashyyk and Han Solo left the group for a mission, not encased in carbonite. Leia rejected Luke for Han, but was intended to be left up in the air when Han left.

This is called Trial and Error. It's a really big process of writing. You'll also find it in filming and editing, as well as most artistic fields in film.

This doesn't mean Lucas is less of an artist. It just means that he was human. And, of course, his direction has changed over 20 years or so he wasn't directing. This happens with even the most productive filmmakers. There is no way I could connect The Terminator with Avatar or Close Encounters with Saving Private Ryan. Or Halloween with Ghost of Mars. Or Alien with Robin Hood. Well, you get the point. People change over time, and with it, their way of doing things. Well, usually at least.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Looks like he's trying to stay awake.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Looks like he's trying to stay awake.

LOL.

He just got really bored reading all of our enthralling posts.


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[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Looks like he's trying to stay awake.

Just like the rest of us when trying to watch ESB.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Whoa, whoa, whoa.. Them right there be fightin' words kiddo. No one whom knows ANYTHING about the blockbuster era of filmmaking (or has studied film for that matter) would ever say what you just typed. The Godfather is NOT a 'so called classic'; it IS a classic. By all measures the Godfather is more important to film than any of the star wars movies.

Listen, I respect your opinions on the PT, I really do. But do not drag what is seen as argulably one of the greatest movies ever made into this discussion. Keep your crazy speak to Star Wars.

Your opinion of course. And kiddo? You do realize I saw the Star Wars films in the theaters during their original releases.

I for one can't stand the Godfather films, and can't even manage to make my way through them.

I've probably seen most of them over the years, but end up falling asleep or turning them off. Just bleh.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by starkiller--1138

that is actually kind of funny. Almost as good as when luke goes from playing rock'em sock'em robots with asteroid game fx on hoth to landing on a marsh planet for an episode of the muppet show.

lmao!

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Beast

Your opinion of course. And kiddo? You do realize I saw the Star Wars films in the theaters during their original releases.

I for one can't stand the Godfather films, and can't even manage to make my way through them.

I've probably seen most of them over the years, but end up falling asleep or turning them off. Just bleh.

Finally! Someone who has the same opinion as I do about the Godfather. I can't stand that movie either.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

....This happens with even the most productive filmmakers. There is no way I could connect The Terminator with Avatar or Close Encounters with Saving Private Ryan. Or Halloween with Ghost of Mars. Or Alien with Robin Hood. Well, you get the point. People change over time, and with it, their way of doing things. Well, usually at least.

Don't forget Back To The Future and Forrest Gump.

[tilapiah6]

Beast:

You're sort of missing the entire point of the Red Letter Media reviews. You're so quick to single out the fact that they do convey some of their points with what I'd call "stoner humor", but they're some of the most well thought out reviews I've ever seen/read. There is also nitpicking, but that's the case with most reviews, isn't it? It's all about what the reviewer wanted to see, and that hardly ever syncs up flawlessly with what the reader/viewer of the review wants to know/see. It's obvious from the very beginning that this guy is a huge Star Wars fan who poured over the prequels and saw them as some of the worst movies ever made, and brings up some very valid problems with them. He points out some very interesting comparisons such as, something that really bugged me about the prequels vs. OT, how most of the dialogue in episode 2 and 3 takes place with two people either sitting down or walking slowly, and is literally two cameras, switching back and forth between actors. There is ZERO creativity involved, and at times it's more painful than watching a soap opera. Whereas with the original trilogy, this never happens. He shows a series of scenes in the OT that are heavily dialogue driven but edited SO much better and with more care, instead of a drastic and stark switch between worst of the worst soap opera style conversations and over-the-top action. The OT flowed better because of this (IMO).

And that covers all of 3 minute of the RLM reviews (I think the episode 2 review was about 40 minutes long).

What I'm getting at is you shouldn't brush off the reviews because as a huge fan of Star Wars, I'm sure you'll enjoy them even if you don't agree with his view-points, and you'll definitely laugh often at the humor he includes. Surely you'd enjoy watching them more than reading page after page of PT lovers, OT lovers, and saga lovers arguing over who has a stronger and more valid point.

Give them a chance!

[Cook]

The blocking in the prequels is pretty bad at times.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Beast

See, proof that it's not a legitimate critique of the films.

It sounds like a bunch of idiotic teenagers sitting around while stoned and trying to make each other laugh.

Once again proof that it's not worth anyone actually bothering to waste their time with. As I said.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Cook

They are meant to be entertaining not analytical. I watched them for the humor myself. And I fully believe thats what they were intended for. No reason to over anylize them like some appear to be doing. I haven't watched all of the rots review yet but I love the monster smash line stated earlier. You should definitely check out the other two out.

Yeah, and I hate his kind of humor, and simply everything about him is disgusting, so there is no reason on earth to ever watch them.

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

That's how most writing works. He had the idea of where he wanted to take the saga. The rest he filled in. He abandoned many concepts, retooled them for later films (not just for Star Wars either), etc. At one point, Luke was a girl. At another, his sister was a completely different person. Heck, he didn't decide to kill off Obi Wan until some point during production. Originally, he survived the Death Star, gave the attack plan to the rebels, and stood around for the rest of the film. Lucas told Guinness that he had decided to kill of his character and Guinness wasn't all that happy, until Lucas explained that it would have a greater impact on the film dramatically. At another point, ESB had a trip to Kashyyk and Han Solo left the group for a mission, not encased in carbonite. Leia rejected Luke for Han, but was intended to be left up in the air when Han left.

This is called Trial and Error. It's a really big process of writing. You'll also find it in filming and editing, as well as most artistic fields in film.

This doesn't mean Lucas is less of an artist. It just means that he was human. And, of course, his direction has changed over 20 years or so he wasn't directing. This happens with even the most productive filmmakers. There is no way I could connect The Terminator with Avatar or Close Encounters with Saving Private Ryan. Or Halloween with Ghost of Mars. Or Alien with Robin Hood. Well, you get the point. People change over time, and with it, their way of doing things. Well, usually at least.

Yeah, some people are like religious extremists, who obediently follow the written word.

Art is something organic, in constant motion, and unstoppable.

I find it amusing to see people complaining about stuff like this.

Cold the films have turned out better? Of course, but it isn't exactly easy to make such huge movies, and I think George Lucas' ROTS is the best of the entire Saga. He did go out with an epic bang!

I love all of them, but ROTJ has some very hard to watch parts, and I am not referring to the cuddly Ewoks.
I hope George decides to include the Luke/Lightsaber scene, as it echoes Anakin in the first 3 films very nicely, and gives us the sense that Luke might fall just as Anakin did even more.

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Beast:

You're sort of missing the entire point of the Red Letter Media reviews. You're so quick to single out the fact that they do convey some of their points with what I'd call "stoner humor", but they're some of the most well thought out reviews I've ever seen/read. There is also nitpicking, but that's the case with most reviews, isn't it? It's all about what the reviewer wanted to see, and that hardly ever syncs up flawlessly with what the reader/viewer of the review wants to know/see. It's obvious from the very beginning that this guy is a huge Star Wars fan who poured over the prequels and saw them as some of the worst movies ever made, and brings up some very valid problems with them. He points out some very interesting comparisons such as, something that really bugged me about the prequels vs. OT, how most of the dialogue in episode 2 and 3 takes place with two people either sitting down or walking slowly, and is literally two cameras, switching back and forth between actors. There is ZERO creativity involved, and at times it's more painful than watching a soap opera. Whereas with the original trilogy, this never happens. He shows a series of scenes in the OT that are heavily dialogue driven but edited SO much better and with more care, instead of a drastic and stark switch between worst of the worst soap opera style conversations and over-the-top action. The OT flowed better because of this (IMO).

And that covers all of 3 minute of the RLM reviews (I think the episode 2 review was about 40 minutes long).

What I'm getting at is you shouldn't brush off the reviews because as a huge fan of Star Wars, I'm sure you'll enjoy them even if you don't agree with his view-points, and you'll definitely laugh often at the humor he includes. Surely you'd enjoy watching them more than reading page after page of PT lovers, OT lovers, and saga lovers arguing over who has a stronger and more valid point.

Give them a chance!