Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Nope. I haven't seen any Terminator cartoons either.

I have seen the orginal Tv series, fun but exaggerated. I mean seriously Mace Windu beating an entire droid army with his bare hands :')

Luckily the Clone Wars series running at this moment (or at least heading to it's 4th season this Fall) is a lot more in line with the films.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

I hope the ninth disc of the BR set contains a cage fight between PT Lovers and OT Lovers. To the death!

This would be no contest. OT fans would win as they would know to 'shoot first.'

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

But it shows that solo respects jabba..because he tells him off about sending some bounty hunter after him and he doesn't shoot him..it shows that they knew eachother before seeing him in ROTJ and that they have a friendship... this ties up really good with ESB when fett talks about taking him to Jabba and it helps the ROTJ story too.

You have to remember that we had never seen solo and jabba interact when we saw ROTJ.

had enough?



EDIT..and Greedo shooting first makes more sense because the Jabba the hutt scene enforces it. When solo says, why did you send that guy to kill me. it shows that solo is a nice guy and he's not about to shoot anybody as you can see, he shoots none of the bounty hunters and if he had shot greedo first he would have been nervous and running...

Uh... Hmm. Not sure I agree. Solo clearly doesn't respect Jabba. I mean he steps on Jabba's tail and calls him a 'Wonderful Human Being..." which is sarcastic and probably insulting to Jabba's race. I don't see much respect there and I see a genuine dislike.

Solo was supposed to be like a Clint Eastwood character from the Spagehetti Westerns. He did what was necessary but also was a mean mofo when he needed to be. Jabba was a crime boss and Solo treated him the same way Blondie in 'The Good, The Bad & the Ugly' interacted with Tuco and Sentenza.

That is how I took it. The scene added into ANH made Jabba more of a Tuco, but the character in Return of the Jedi was much more like Sentenza. I won't explain the differences between the two characters, but the added scene in ANH sorta made Jabba less threatening and NOT the vile crime lord in ROTJ. Needless/pointless scene that changes yet another character. But whatever, this is what the 'skip' button is for...lol

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Aquel

I have seen the orginal Tv series, fun but exaggerated. I mean seriously Mace Windu beating an entire droid army with his bare hands :')

Luckily the Clone Wars series running at this moment (or at least heading to it's 4th season this Fall) is a lot more in line with the films.

LOL I was kidding, I've seen them. Just thought it was funny that some dude called me ignorant.

I actually love the new one that's on Cartoon Network -- the episodes are incredible and WAY better than AOTC in my opinion. A little too much Ahsoka (sp?) but great nonetheless.

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

LOL I was kidding, I've seen them. Just thought it was funny that some dude called me ignorant.

I actually love the new one that's on Cartoon Network -- the episodes are incredible and WAY better than AOTC in my opinion. A little too much Ahsoka (sp?) but great nonetheless.

At least they have been really developing her character in an interesting way. She has grown a lot and is no where near as annoying as she was in the Clone Wars movie.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

That is how I took it. The scene added into ANH made Jabba more of a Tuco, but the character in Return of the Jedi was much more like Sentenza. I won't explain the differences between the two characters, but the added scene in ANH sorta made Jabba less threatening and NOT the vile crime lord in ROTJ. Needless/pointless scene that changes yet another character. But whatever, this is what the 'skip' button is for...lol

I think you waaaaay over-analyzed it. It was the same character. The added ANH scene is almost word for word duplicated by Greedo except for the "last chance" bit Jabba throws in. Having been written for the original and even filmed (with that George Costanza type guy with the fur coat ), it was always elucidation instead of outright addition to me.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Why would Han be nervous when he shot Greedo? He know he was just an unimportant goon and Han acted out of self defense in both versions (blasting Greedo first when he knew Greedo was going to shoot him, the dialogue points in this direction).

Han didn't act in self defence in the original version. Greedo gave him an out by offering to take Jabba's money for a bribe. He gave Solo the chance to walk away. Solo who at the time valued money a close second to his life decided he'd rather keep the cash and kill Greedo. That's why the alterations change the character so much before he was ruthless afterwards he was just a lucky SOB who was lucky that Greedo couldn't hit sand if he fell off a Bantha....

Out of curiosity why has this thread been moved from the sticky's?

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Uxi

I think you waaaaay over-analyzed it. It was the same character. The added ANH scene is almost word for word duplicated by Greedo except for the "last chance" bit Jabba throws in. Having been written for the original and even filmed (with that George Costanza type guy with the fur coat ), it was always elucidation instead of outright addition to me.

A minor in film studies will def make one over-analyze and I am certainly guilty of that. However, , the scene was cut and Lucas had no intention of ever putting in back in until well after the Star Wars OT had long since finished its run in theaters. As far as Lucas was concerned the version of Jabba in ANH didn't exist to his audience in 1983.

So, Lucas was able to make Jabba much more fearsome when he debuted in Jedi. There is a definite change in character between the two Jabbas for sure. The ANH verison is treated like a goofy low rent kind of smuggler/gang leader. Not very threatening at all and someone Solo practically bullies. The version in Jedi? Solo's attitude is certainly changed and we get the idea WHY Solo wanted to leave the rebellion and pay this guy off. That Jabba was much more like a fearsome gangster (i.e. Pacino in Scarface). A guy you DON'T tick off. Ya know, the sorta of guy who watches his pet dog eat people. That kind of attitude was not present in any of the ANH verisions (any of them).

Anyway, the scene in ANH was terribly redundant and unnecessary for sure. The fans are the ones who wanted it back in and they got what they asked for. However, I think it was better left on the cutting room floor.

[Ite]

How come this was unpinned?

[Aquel]

For lack of faith in a good discussion ever going to occur here /jk

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by chip75

Han didn't act in self defence in the original version. Greedo gave him an out by offering to take Jabba's money for a bribe. He gave Solo the chance to walk away. Solo who at the time valued money a close second to his life decided he'd rather keep the cash and kill Greedo. That's why the alterations change the character so much before he was ruthless afterwards he was just a lucky SOB who was lucky that Greedo couldn't hit sand if he fell off a Bantha....

Out of curiosity why has this thread been moved from the sticky's?

Not that I care much at all for the whole debate (even if I kinda think it was stupid to change the scene), but didn't Greedo mention having to take the Falcon, Han replying by "Over my Dead body", to which Greedo says something like "that's the idea!" ?

If my memory is correct, then even in the first version Han acted out of self defense. He just didn't let the chance for a bounty hunter to get the first shot while being only 2 feet away...

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Aquel

For lack of faith in a good discussion ever going to occur here /jk

I wouldn't be surprised. I am sure I am not the only person to come here looking for up-to-date info on this release, only to find fanboy rants and endless discussion.

[supersonic395]

Originally Posted by Ite

How come this was unpinned?

I was thinking the same thing.

I imagine it's due to the never ending pathetic fanboy discussion/arguing/ranting/explanations crap over and over again everyday.

I reckon if a new member waltzed in and read this thread I think they would probably leave. Hell, on other forums the Star Wars BR thread(s) have been left alone (and rightly) due to the lack of new information.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Not that I care much at all for the whole debate (even if I kinda think it was stupid to change the scene), but didn't Greedo mention having to take the Falcon, Han replying by "Over my Dead body", to which Greedo says something like "that's the idea!" ?

If my memory is correct, then even in the first version Han acted out of self defense. He just didn't let the chance for a bounty hunter to get the first shot while being only 2 feet away...

That was indeed what I meant. Han defended himself as Greedo made it clear this wasn´t going to end with words and Han knew Greedo was going to blast him (Han: Over my dead body Greedo: That's the idea. I have been looking forward to this for a long time. Han: Yes I bet you have), so he shot Greedo first.

Poor Greedo. Beaten by Anakin in a brawl in TPM (deleted scene), defeated in Sphere of Influence in the Clone wars and then got owned again in the cantina (and if you take the EU as the truth, his pheromones got used for a special drink for Jabba :P).

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I wouldn't be surprised. I am sure I am not the only person to come here looking for up-to-date info on this release, only to find fanboy rants and endless discussion.

If there are updates between now and the release date, my guess is that it will be posted as an article/quip on the main page, given the level of interest. Anything noteworthy would be lost in the banter anyway.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Phantom Menace cannot be anyone who is a "real" menace - swap out the word "phantom" for "illusory" - Phantom Menace becomes Illusory Menace, meaning, a false menace, or menace in appearance only, but without substance. Well, that can only be the Trade Federation, while Sidious is the REAL menace, not PHANTOM menace.

Your word against George Lucas'. Gee, that's a VERY hard decision to make.

Originally Posted by chip75

I wasn't trying to knock the line. As you suggested it works on different levels. It just highlights the fact that Jabba was originally a large gentleman in a suit and puts into question if he was ever suppossed to be a big slug. Jabba the Hutt is a great character and a pretty good slug. The 2004 updates were a huge improvement, the '97 one should never have left the ILM harddrives....

I watched the ILM doc on YouTube the other day and there wasn't one mention of The Mummy Returns. Credit were credits due but it deserved a mention for ruining that particular movie.

Wwll, there were tons of ILM movies that didn't get mentioned, so that isn't exactly saying much.
It's mostly because Steven Sommers can't direct VFX. They should have used the Rocks' real head and stick it onto the CG creature's body.
But, yeah, ILM's most shameful moment ever.
Although the other vendors' matte paintings are even worse, and make this film a complete joke.

Originally Posted by Jay444

This would be no contest. OT fans would win as they would know to 'shoot first.'

Then you have already lost, as a true master needs no weapon.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Not that I care much at all for the whole debate (even if I kinda think it was stupid to change the scene), but didn't Greedo mention having to take the Falcon, Han replying by "Over my Dead body", to which Greedo says something like "that's the idea!" ?

If my memory is correct, then even in the first version Han acted out of self defense. He just didn't let the chance for a bounty hunter to get the first shot while being only 2 feet away...

Greedo said that Jabba may only take his ship this time, what was Greedo going to do? Put it in his pocket? Jabba eats Millennium Falcon's on toast!

While under some definitions what Han did could be called self defence, I'm sure some judge and juries might push for manslaughter. Solo was a character that shot first and asked questions later, it was an attitude that made him iconic. He even tried to shoot Darth Vader and those Tie-Fighters in the back when Luke was on the Trench Run!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Wwll, there were tons of ILM movies that didn't get mentioned, so that isn't exactly saying much.
It's mostly because Steven Sommers can't direct VFX. They should have used the Rocks' real head and stick it onto the CG creature's body.
But, yeah, ILM's most shameful moment ever.
Although the other vendors' matte paintings are even worse, and make this film a complete joke.

It wasn't the direction, it was TIME.

ILM had very, very little time to put together hundreds of CG shots, some of which were come up with on set by the director during shooting. If they had a year of post production like it should have you'd better believe The Rock scorpion would have looked awesome.

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by Jay444

This would be no contest. OT fans would win as they would know to 'shoot first.'

LOL!!! so, so true. And I love your avatar!

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It wasn't the direction, it was TIME.

ILM had very, very little time to put together hundreds of CG shots, some of which were come up with on set by the director during shooting. If they had a year of post production like it should have you'd better believe The Rock scorpion would have looked awesome.

Yes, you are right. I failed to mention that.
They had to do over 800shots in a very short amount of time.
This is one of the movies that I wished got a SE and re-do some of the VFX, because it's very funny, adventurous and has a heart too, although it's not perfect.

Well, that's a tad off topic.

Back to SW.

Somehow, I feel that George isn't going to change them that much for the BD release, but I hope I am wrong.
He has said that the OT is now pretty close to what he wanted them to be, and he was very happy how the Prequels turned out, especially AOTC and ROTS.
Hopefully, he is having ILM improve some of the Podracers, as they weren't the most detailed characters.
I would like to see the ROTS Yoda in all movies, but most importantly in the PT.

Well, it's not that long anymore, and we'll probably get some details on the release rather soon.