Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[BMM]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

I can't wait till the specs for the BR are revealed so that we can get back to fighting about their quality. Or lack thereof.

I'll second that. All the rest of this is just rehashing of arguments that have been going on for over 10 years now.

[nathan_393]

I'd rather see something positive happening in this thread for a change, so I'd like the transfers to be stunning. I'm hoping for "Alien" level of results. I'm just going to be happy to have this in HD and I'm not expecting the best transfer in the world, tbh. I just want it to not look like a pixelly blob every time I throw the discs into the PS3, and then I'll be happy

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And don't forget that other cinematic masterpiece from the Lucasfilm stable: Howard The Duck.

I only remember one line from that movie, and I haven't seen it in years...

"On my planet, we don't say die...we say, kill."

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I only remember one line from that movie, and I haven't seen it in years...

"On my planet, we don't say die...we say, kill."

You should locate a copy of the recent DVD. It's not really that bad of a film, to be honest.

[Brightstar]

Lucus only directed the PT and they sucked Irvin Kershner (RIP) made ESB which is still the best of the six.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by joliefan

Lucus only directed the PT and they sucked Irvin Kershner (RIP) made ESB which is still the best of the six.

Last I checked, Star Wars: A New Hope wasn't one of the prequels.

And while ESB is good, I still prefer TPM, ROTS, and ROTJ to it. So it's different strokes for different folks.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by joliefan

Lucus only directed the PT and they sucked Irvin Kershner (RIP) made ESB which is still the best of the six.

You are the definition of a troll! Get the hell out of here if you don't have anything relevant to contribute.

Obviously you have no clue about SW, since you don't even seem to know who George Lucas is, and what he has done.

Do us all a favor and stay out of here, will ya!?!

I, for one, am going to ignore you completely from now on, because you clearly aren't interested in a civilized discussion based on facts.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Beast

But anyway, I hope we get some specs soon. I'm hoping to at least see the Lucasfilm Archives tour from the old Definative Collection Laserdisc included on one of the bonus discs. I know Lucasfilm doesn't tend to port over features that often, but that one really is fantastic.

Oh yeah, that would be great! I would love to see ALL previous extras ported over, and tons of new stuff, preferably all in HD.

Originally Posted by Beast

It's really not that bad of a film. Sure it's corny, but Howard the Duck is a corny character anyway.

It's funny how Lucas haters say that TESB isn't his film, and it was directed by Kershner, but state that HTD was Lucas' baby, and he was responsible for it.
They are like sleazy lawyers.

Personally, I saw it with my family on VHS one evening, and we all had a great time.
I honestly don't know what's so bad about it, but anyway, that's neither here nor there.
IF you guys want to discuss HTD you can create a thread.
This is a SW thread.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

You are the definition of a troll! Get the hell out of here if you don't have anything relevant to contribute.

Obviously you have no clue about SW, since you don't even seem to know who George Lucas is, and what he has done.

Do us all a favor and stay out of here, will ya!?!

I, for one, am going to ignore you completely from now on, because you clearly aren't interested in a civilized discussion based on facts.

You tell'em Bluyoda screw the haters. These trolls all they want to do is bash GL every chance they get and it's not nice at all.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Beast

And? This is a Star Wars thread. So I'm not clear on your point.

But anyway, I hope we get some specs soon. I'm hoping to at least see the Lucasfilm Archives tour from the old Definative Collection Laserdisc included on one of the bonus discs. I know Lucasfilm doesn't tend to port over features that often, but that one really is fantastic.

Deleted scene's making of star wars wars,interviews to be honest this is what we really need

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/a...d-include.html

Bye all star wars fans i wont be posting in this tread anymore

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by 42041

Cameron's quote is that the Sony 1080p camera is equivalent to the original 65mm negative. Not a 4th generation print or a low-res scan. If it was a 4K camera I'd buy that. Yeah, after all practical considerations like projector optics and viewing distance, it might effectively be a wash for most viewers, but a 1080p image is forever locked into that resolution, which is certainly OK for blu-ray, but you could get a very legit 4K out of 65mm film (and probably a questionable 8k). Who's to say what future technology will bring?

Yeah, that's the sticking point.

Yes, we can compare the actual print that lands in your local theater - but that's not the print that scans are made of. So yes, digital projection in theaters may be better - it's certainly cleaner and more fool-proof, that's for sure.

But when you go back to the original materials, film is still the best method to get the best results. Cameron is all over digital, like Lucas, because he doesn't make live action movies anymore it seems. He makes animated spectacles with live action inserted in. That's not an insult or demeaning them, it's simply pointing out that they are what they are. Having to take the live action footage is more a nuisance to them than anything else, and of course the digital footage is easier to manipulate right out of the box, and already looks digital, so painting digital over digital often comes out better than painting digital over film.

The problem with Ep II and Ep III is that Lucas made a huge boo-boo in the preservation of his films for future generations, and even in anthropological terms. In the near term (say the next 50-100 years) doubtless new ways to experience filmed entertainment (for lack of a better reference, "holodeck" type tech, at least in visual terms). The resolution of Episode II is forever locked at 1080p. That's going to limit it's visual quality no matter what tech is invented - the data simply isn't there to extract past 1080p.

Now, in terms of real historic preservation (think about how we know what we know about ancient Greece - because of what they left behind in terms of artifacts). Modern society has little that would be left behind if not explicitly preserved. That's why digital preservation is still a wonderful thing (saving things that can't be saved) but also it's downfall. It's all a gamble, because if we end up exclusively preserving everything digitally, should any number of History-channel future end-games happened (at least for modern humanity) it would be lost. When the polar shift happens (could be tomorrow, could be in 3 million years, we have no idea) and electronic devices cease working there goes digital, for example.

Yes, that's way beyond the scope of these forums and "crazy" talk, BUT...filmed media as an artform is so young that people are already thinking about these things. We won't be around to see it but someday, sometime, people would be going through rubble and they are much more likely to find a few frames of physical film that somehow survived intact than they will a magnetic-based or solid-state technical device.

So he's kinda screwed with Ep II and III - so those people who truly detest the prequels will get 2/3 of the last laugh, . Personally, although there are quite a few things I would change about the prequels (starting with the fact they were prequels at all - I would have much preferred Han/Luke/Leia in their 50's and 60's doing another adventure) it does have a few of the best action sequences and I'd really be mad if the Yoda/Dooku duel wasn't preserved forever.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Personally, I saw it with my family on VHS one evening, and we all had a great time.
I honestly don't know what's so bad about it, but anyway, that's neither here nor there.
IF you guys want to discuss HTD you can create a thread.
This is a SW thread.

Well, I'm not a hater, LOL, I'm in the middle on the prequels, but...HTD is not all on Lucas, *but*...if we argue about creators intent, HTD the film was despised by the creator of HTD because it went completely against his original intent of the character. And creators intent trumps all, from what I gather from the Lucas supporters.

Hate to be devils advocate, I just had to point that out though.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I'd rather see something positive happening in this thread for a change, so I'd like the transfers to be stunning. I'm hoping for "Alien" level of results. I'm just going to be happy to have this in HD and I'm not expecting the best transfer in the world, tbh. I just want it to not look like a pixelly blob every time I throw the discs into the PS3, and then I'll be happy

My hopes are rather high.

The mistakes of the 2004 releases have been well-documented, and while some may be chalked up to "creative choice", Lucas *has* been showing lately that he's starting to get that fan criticism isn't all dismissible and has conceded on a few points.

To be honest, I think the guy knows a lot rides on this Blu-release, because a large portion of the Blu audience are rabid Star Wars fans. Although I'm sure this set will sell a few Blu-ray players, Blu-adoption is still rather slow still and for Joe Wal-Mart who already owns the $30 set of DVDs, it's not going to change the world. So he's going to be counting on all of us preordering and selling it - making a long story short, I think he's going to try to do right by us.

Then again, as you said, most of us would buy it anyway just because it's in HD - so what do I know.

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

My hopes are rather high.

The mistakes of the 2004 releases have been well-documented, and while some may be chalked up to "creative choice", Lucas *has* been showing lately that he's starting to get that fan criticism isn't all dismissible and has conceded on a few points.

To be honest, I think the guy knows a lot rides on this Blu-release, because a large portion of the Blu audience are rabid Star Wars fans. Although I'm sure this set will sell a few Blu-ray players, Blu-adoption is still rather slow still and for Joe Wal-Mart who already owns the $30 set of DVDs, it's not going to change the world. So he's going to be counting on all of us preordering and selling it - making a long story short, I think he's going to try to do right by us.

Then again, as you said, most of us would buy it anyway just because it's in HD - so what do I know.

I think you're right. This is Lucas' chance to shut everybody up - and prove that he's a competent filmmaker and businessman.

By him offering up an Ultimate Box Set (OT and PT with tons of bonuses) is pretty significant. And lest we not forget, Uncle George DID eventually release the unaltered original trilogy on DVD for us (TWICE BTW). As disappointing as the audio and video was, he still did it. He listens to the fanboy crazies.

the Ultimate Box Set is a 9-disc set! FWWWAH!?!? Yes, that means 6 discs for the films, and THREE DISCS OF BONUSES!?!?!?! FWAP FWAP. Awesome!

I just pissed myself thinking about all the gems that could be on this set.

Thank you Uncle George - I know you won't let us down. Ultimate Bluray set FTW!

[kenkraly2004]

Agreed this star wars saga blu-ray box set is going to be great. We already know about that their where tons of the deleted scenes that where cut from the films especially the ot like the wampa sub-plot from ESB , the Anchorhead scene from and ANH and , Luke building his lightsaber in ROTJ (which will be in the set) and so on. So I am looking forward to all of this cut footage from all 6 films on the blu-rays.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

My hopes are rather high.

The mistakes of the 2004 releases have been well-documented, and while some may be chalked up to "creative choice", Lucas *has* been showing lately that he's starting to get that fan criticism isn't all dismissible and has conceded on a few points.

To be honest, I think the guy knows a lot rides on this Blu-release, because a large portion of the Blu audience are rabid Star Wars fans. Although I'm sure this set will sell a few Blu-ray players, Blu-adoption is still rather slow still and for Joe Wal-Mart who already owns the $30 set of DVDs, it's not going to change the world. So he's going to be counting on all of us preordering and selling it - making a long story short, I think he's going to try to do right by us.

Then again, as you said, most of us would buy it anyway just because it's in HD - so what do I know.

I think so too.

[nathan_393]

I'm sure you guys will probably be right.
At the same time, I'd rather be prepared for something terrible so I'm not disappointed and then be pleasantly surprised by the good stuff

I'm sure the extras will be awesome. My big beef from the DVD was all the black crush. I'm hoping for some good shadow detail.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Speaking of...

Would it not be pure hilarity if early screenshots show the OTs lathered in teal?

Well, that would be what Lucas always intended, didn't he?

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I'm sure you guys will probably be right.
At the same time, I'd rather be prepared for something terrible so I'm not disappointed and then be pleasantly surprised by the good stuff

I'm sure the extras will be awesome. My big beef from the DVD was all the black crush. I'm hoping for some good shadow detail.

True. There will be SOMETHING imperfect about it. For some reason, us Star Wars fans expect perfection with film editing, marketing, packaging, distribution, v/s effects, p/a quality, supplemental material offerings, OT/PT/UOT includings, etc (i think i covered everything)...

I'm so excited about this BD release; in addition to my last post, here are my FEARS for this set - even though my hopes are very high:
-not including the Unaltered Original Trilogy in Remastered High Definition (the only alteration I will accept), at least as a bonus feature
-replacing the puppet Yoda in ESB and ROTJ with CGI; it would be such a huge mistake! (I'm OK with replacing TPM Yoda with CGI though XD )
-Not including all the Documentaries (the ones included on the 2004 DVD package AND the ones from the 80's)
-Crappy cardboard slipcase (or else i'll have to make my own case again)
-not including ALL deleted scenes possible (AS A SELECTABLE MENU OPTION "deleted scenes")

[Mr. Movie Fan]

From Star Wars to Jedi was a great documentary, hope it is in the box.