Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[miniroll32]

I don't understand how Lucas can justify using the 2004 edits that, supposedly, tie the PT and OT together when they are being sold separately.

Supposing you're new to Star Wars and decide to watch the original films. Then, at the end of ROTJ, you see Hayden's face on the ghost instead of Seb. Shaw... How does that work out??

[Morsoth]

Sorry if I'm a little off topic, but do you think they will release Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor on Blu-ray someday?

I don't think we'll get the Droids or the Ewoks animated series on blu-ray but it would be cool...

[Beast]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

I don't understand how Lucas can justify using the 2004 edits that, supposedly, tie the PT and OT together when they are being sold separately.

Supposing you're new to Star Wars and decide to watch the original films. Then, at the end of ROTJ, you see Hayden's face on the ghost instead of Seb. Shaw... How does that work out??

Because the films don't exist in a vacuum. Where you don't know who is who, just because you don't own the PT. Just because you're given the option of buying the Trilogys separately, they're still part of the same glorious Saga. Even if you want to pretend to ignore that fact.

[Blu Warrior]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

I don't understand how Lucas can justify using the 2004 edits that, supposedly, tie the PT and OT together when they are being sold separately.

Supposing you're new to Star Wars and decide to watch the original films. Then, at the end of ROTJ, you see Hayden's face on the ghost instead of Seb. Shaw... How does that work out??

The same way it worked out when we saw Shaw at the end of Jedi back in '83. The Shaw force ghost looks very different from the charred face of Anakin that Luke unmasks on the Death Star. Having Hayden's image makes more sense and brings the saga to a close.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

... by posting that picture, you're doing the exact same thing kenkraly did, which is to simply label the people who want the original versions as nothing more than fanatical crybabies who whine and complain.

Well, to be honest, it seems that many who want the UOT on Blu behave exactly that way. They ramble incessantly, saying the changes all suck, bashing Lucas personally for not giving them what they want, criticizing anyone who feels differently, and never mentioning whether they've actually done anything productive to help their cause. I won't type my standard response to this in full, but the point remains simple: take your feelings and complaints to Lucasfilm, because venting them here doesn't do anything except tick the rest of us off.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, to be honest, it seems that many who want the UOT on Blu behave exactly that way. They ramble incessantly, saying the changes all suck, bashing Lucas personally for not giving them what they want, criticizing anyone who feels differently, and never mentioning whether they've actually done anything productive to help their cause.

You may think that, and there may be a few out there who take it to the extreme sometimes, but if people do get carried away sometimes it's just a testament to the awesomeness that is Star Wars and how much the movies mean to people. Like somebody said in the documentary The People Vs. George Lucas, "there's something about our love for Star Wars that is different from our love for other things."

And besides, the same thing can be said about the people who constantly defend Lucas to their dying breaths. The over dramatic behavior that you've described is something I see coming from the Lucas camp as well. And as for criticizing anyone who feels differently, it really seems like more of that comes from the Lucas defenders. I see them saying things like, "No. You're wrong. Lucas is right. The changes make sense. You don't know what you're talking about. Your argument is silly. You don't know anything about Star Wars" and so on. So really, that argument can go both ways.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

take your feelings and complaints to Lucasfilm

I'm pretty sure that people have tried to do just that.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, to be honest, it seems that many who want the UOT on Blu behave exactly that way. They ramble incessantly, saying the changes all suck, bashing Lucas personally for not giving them what they want, criticizing anyone who feels differently, and never mentioning whether they've actually done anything productive to help their cause. I won't type my standard response to this in full, but the point remains simple: take your feelings and complaints to Lucasfilm, because venting them here doesn't do anything except tick the rest of us off.

If you are getting the version you want then why comment? I mean really let the people that want to complain, complain. It's really that simple is it not? Why would it tick you off? Really? Why? Why respond to it? You all are the ones that keeps this thing going. People are going to complain until they get what they want and there is nothing you can say or do to change that opinion. Maybe if the UOT bashers would just ignore the cries of that crowd it would go away on its own eventually. Do you really think that you are going to change anyone's point of view here?

[crazyBLUE]

How about we chill out & get back on topic

[Bluyoda]

Wow! I see really interesting, and brand new discussions going on around here!

Awesome stuff, folks.

This is not the thread you are looking for. Move along. Move along.

[chikin23]

Is there any problems or difficulties one would experience if one purchased the UK version for a cheaper price?

[PUsokrJosh305]

"This bickering is pointless."

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by chikin23

Is there any problems or difficulties one would experience if one purchased the UK version for a cheaper price?

Finally a question about the blu-ray and all the "fans' here, none bother to answer. Guys, not to say you can't discuss this thing about UOT/SE, but we've done this so many, many time it's getting tired. Just agree to disagree (even that has been said countless times). Enough already, please!

Chikin23, from the many experience buying from Amazon UK I've no problems at all. Mine usually arrives in 7-10 days with standard shipping. Even if there's any difficulty, their customer service is the best.

[kenkraly2004]

Please back on topic this is a thread about the blu-ray box set release not about the UOT vs SE debate. Stay on Topic. This bickering is pointless.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Please back on topic this is a thread about the blu-ray box set release not about the UOT vs SE debate. Stay on Topic. This bickering is pointless.

Agreed! Why is Empire of Dreams not included?

[aiman04]

Every post in the last few pages in this thread I've seen them many, many times since the first page. Every single point, every single word has been said many, many times already.

This thread just repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself repeat itself every single page.

So sad.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Finally a question about the blu-ray and all the "fans' here, none bother to answer.

That might be in part due to the fact that nobody yet knows if there will be any issues with importing the UK release.

Fox is pretty inconsistent with region locking and until there's an actual release we simply won't know.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I am saying the SE's of the OT are the versions he wants out their because he was never happy with the original versions. Is it that hard to understand?

Not for me

GL is in a unique position where he actually owns his art. The vast majority of artists are not even in a position to make changes later because they do not own it. So he is choosing to update his art. It is plain and simple, if you do not like the SE changes then don’t buy them. Vote with your wallets.

As a collector I would love to own the UOT as I saw them in the theatre on BD, but I like the SE changes as well. I am sure they will be released for home viewing someday. But since I cannot control when they get released, I am not going to dwell on it.

But let's face some realities.

The original negatives are in bad condition and because of that common sense says it will take a lot of money to prepare them for BD release.

Now you can bet that there was extensive marketing research done to figure out how they could please the most people and make the most money. Because let’s face it, the all might dollar has a lot to say about this. You can bet that if GL could make enough money on the UOT to override his perfectionism, he would probably invest the money that it took to prepare them for a BD release.

It is time for everyone to take a deep breath and either just accept the reality.....or just keep on ranting on creating entertainment for the rest of us.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Scooter1836

Not for me

GL is in a unique position where he actually owns his art. The vast majority of artists are not even in a position to make changes later because they do not own it. So he is choosing to update his art. It is plain and simple, if you do not like the SE changes then don’t buy them. Vote with your wallets.

As a collector I would love to own the UOT as I saw them in the theatre on BD, but I like the SE changes as well. I am sure they will be released for home viewing someday. But since I cannot control when they get released, I am not going to dwell on it.

But let's face some realities.

The original negatives are in bad condition and because of that common sense says it will take a lot of money to prepare them for BD release.

Now you can bet that there was extensive marketing research done to figure out how they could please the most people and make the most money. Because let’s face it, the all might dollar has a lot to say about this. You can bet that if GL could make enough money on the UOT to override his perfectionism, he would probably invest the money that it took to prepare them for a BD release.

It is time for everyone to take a deep breath and either just accept the reality.....or just keep on ranting on creating entertainment for the rest of us.

Good post but wrong on a few things.

1. The prints were cleaned up and restored when they went to the National Archives and National Film Registry. Also, if you think Lucas did not keep clean copies then he is lying (but that should not suprie anyone as he has lied about these films since 1978) Flip Flopping on just about every issue.

2. Cost would be a drop in the bucket

[crazyBLUE]

The next off topic post is going to have a vacation !

[kenkraly2004]

Which cut scenes are you most looking forward to on the blu-ray box set in disc's 7 and 8?