Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Someone's feeling stupid now lol

http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/32060

I can understand why he would think it's a hoax. It really is that bad of a change. Who would have believed Lucas would intentionally butcher one of the best, most emotional scenes in the entire Saga? Not me... until a few hours ago.

Though it’s the way it is moving forward, Darth Vader screaming, “Noooooooo!” as he tosses the Emperor into the reactor shaft of the Death Star is incorrect. It’s simply not a good change. It’s on the level of Han firing first. No, I think it’s worse. No, I know it’s worse. There was never a moment more heartbreaking or poignant than putting the audience in Vader’s shoes and forcing us to think about what’s running through his mind. Giving him something to say somehow undermines every sweeping bit of emotion that scene had. It interrupts it.

This sums up my feelings pretty well.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Lucas himself has said he didn't want to flood the market with content because it devalues the Star Wars brand.

That's right up there with Ford saying they'll stop maikng 8 different versions of the Focus because it confuses consumers and pollutes the brand. Not everyone wants SatNav and leather bucket seats with their cars and the same goes with movies. Choice is good especially with a format like Blu-ray.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by HylianBowcaster

I don't think anyone's really trying to rationalize it, I think the people who aren't raging just don't really care. No one likes it, that's a given, but it's like three seconds long and it doesn't change anything too major in the story. I mean, we're never going to get a perfect release, sure you can hate this go ahead vote with your dollar. I don't want to sound like an apologist but it's not that big of a deal. Star Wars as a whole has so many flaws through all six, not just the PT, that one more doesn't really kill it for me.

So George should put more flaws in each and every release...

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by tensionfilter

It turns Vader back into the whiney wuss he was in the PT.

No, it doesn't.

Shouting "NOOO!" right before you kick someone's ass does not make you a whiny wuss.

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Plus as I said earlier in the thread, it makes little sense plotwise for the Emperor to stand there and do nothing as Vader's saying "NO!" You'd think the dude would suspect Vader is about to turn on him after hearing that.

I don't know… killing someone by Force-based electrocution requires a great deal of concentration. He's probably so close to the darkest possible side of the Force that he fails to notice Vader's soul running like hell toward a bright light.

Doesn't mean I like the change though.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

Thanks Robert. Made it myself this morning. They say plastic surgery is addictive and you're never satisifed with just one procedure.

Star Wars is Lucas' "image" - and he keeps altering it... naturally for the worse.

Oh it's a perfect comparison. Lucas must have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and when combined with bouts of bad taste, we end up with what we get.

[robmlisanti]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I can understand why he would think it's a hoax. It really is that bad of a change. Who would have believed Lucas would intentionally butcher one of the best, most emotional scenes in the entire Saga? Not me... until a few hours ago.



This sums up my feelings pretty well.

Ditto!

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by chip75

That's right up there with Ford saying they'll stop maikng 8 different versions of the Focus because it confuses consumers and pollutes the brand. Not everyone wants SatNav and leather bucket seats with their cars and the same goes with movies. Choice is good especially with a format like Blu-ray.

I think he was referring to new movies as well as multiple versions competing on one format.

Now I don't condone his views. Hell I think Return of the Jedi was phoned in and soulless (yes I still love it).

That being said, he's a much better businessman than a filmmaker. and there is logic to what he says, from a business point of view. It just conflicts with what die-hard fans want. But again, he's had that stance since he put Ewoks in Jedi.

[JBlacklow]

Originally Posted by mredman

The NO! is definitely the WORST change it does not make sense he would even say that

But looking at this it looks like the good outweights the bad in the changes and some of the changed definitely improves the movies

What "good" is that exactly? Had they made all (or even half) of the fixes that they claimed, these additions/modifications wouldn't have mattered nearly as much, at least not to me. But I can't fathom why you would think that giving us the 2004 with a fixed wampa arm, a fixed video glitch, reverted surrounds,and only one fixed lightsaber outweighs no fixed color timing, no fixed effects overdub, no fixed continuity errors, and every other lightsaber remaining unchanged.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

UPDATE #2: Bryan Young from BigShinyRobot! got this from a contact at Lucasfilm:

"Yes, the updates are confirmed. We hope fans will wait to see for themselves how they fit into the Saga before making any judgments."

Fans have seen for themselves. That's why all hell is breaking loose across the internet.

[Jumpman]

The good is that the films look outstanding....

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

I felt the same way when George put in Luke screaming in ESB it was ridiculous, now he goes and destroys another moment in movie history
so maybe if were loud enough he'll take it out like Lukes scream was taken out.

Sadly it's too late for this release. I'm sure they're already sitting in stock rooms all over the world, ready to be shipped.

Man, cancelling my preorder was a total bum-out. On the bright side, the blu-ray expenditures for September are decreased significantly. Now i know i can buy X-Men: First Class and Thor.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The good is that the films look outstanding....

Maybe that's a hoax too

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by mrr1

No, it doesn't.

Shouting "NOOO!" right before you kick someone's ass does not make you a whiny wuss.

You used to wonder what was going through Vader's mind, Obi-Wan, Padme, who knows. But now we know, he's thinking, Nooooooo!

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by chip75

Well he was always suppossed to be an experimental filmmaker, but now he's experimenting with us. And there doesn't seem to be any cheese at the end of this maze.

The Clone Wars series is good though....

haha! That is true, and yeah The Clone Wars series is better written than any of the live-action films.

[Jumpman]

It's not a hoax. I've downloaded enough samples from the rips to know that this bad boys look outstanding (I never had a problem with the new color timing...)

I shutter to think how beautiful the Prequels will look....

[HylianBowcaster]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

So George should put more flaws in each and every release...

Yeah, maybe he should... obviously he shouldn't. God damn no need to be an ass about it. Like a few others have said I just think the good outweighs the bad this time.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I've never in my life felt such a desire to board a plane, travel a long distance, all to ask someone - "What the f*** is wrong with you?!!!"

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Phatjedi

Not going to cancel my order. Still cannot wait for the 16th. Still will enjoy them. Sorry.

Yeah me to. I laugh at the people canceling the order because of this. Talk about obsessed ha ha

While it is sad about these changes. We really can't do anything about it because it was the directors intend to change them.
But i still will enjoy watching these masterpieces in glorious HD

[tensionfilter]

Originally Posted by mrr1

No, it doesn't.

Shouting "NOOO!" right before you kick someone's ass does not make you a whiny wuss.

It does when silently taking out the emperor was perfect before the change.
Watch Ep.3 again and take out the much rediculed since 2005 "NOOO"
Makes that scene much better. The actions on screen emote Vaders rage better than a wussy scream.

Lucas should have taken out that "NOOO" of Ep.3 instead of adding another "NOOO" to Ep.6.

This addition is the straw that broke the camels back after the Preview Event of Lies and Half Truths that Lucas had put on a few days ago.