Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

Adywan was right. Other than sort of fixing the color of that infamous shot where everyone saw the teal lightsaber in 2004, the rest of the lightsaber shots are still white with a light green glow. Geez.

I went back and popped in my 2006 UOT DVD and my dvd-r of my '97 LD and the saber in those all have an oversized white core with a hint of blue glow in some shots, blue showing stronger in some shots than others. Never, ever green like the 2004's and 2011's. Not even comparable in color.

If they're going to bother working on this scene, you'd think they'd actually make it right.

Luke's saber was potentially always mild green in that wideangle shot onboard the falcon(at least in either the original work or answer print)---or even some of the theatrical release prints.

The making of Star Wars documentary(that was broadcast on 9/16/1977) highlights this:

Here is the "template" shot which does not feature any optical composite effects:


Here is the optical element for Luke's saber(note the green tint):


Here it is composited into the template footage(but without the seeker ball optical effect)---The thickness of the glow is to be noted:


The following is what must be the 1st generation original work/answer print(that was to be used to generate the subsequent theatrical release prints)----again--note the luminosity of the saber:


And the final clip that the documentary used(which is from a theatrical release print(that had the mono audio track)----as you can see the glow of the saber is now much reduced:


And if you compare it to the 2004 DVD:


So maybe the bluray/2004 DVD master is not as unfaithful(in terms of the colour palette) as has been asserted.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

Right, considering its the worst one, I doubt alot of people will pay the money for a 3-d showing, ending the whole thing.

Well I would go see Star Wars in theaters but not in 3D, no interest in 3D so I will be skipping it.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Are you kidding? It's definitely the phantom menace that's the worst.

The worst Star Wars was always Return Of The Jedi, always was, always will!

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by tigertron

The boycott will achieve nothing. Those who were against the special editions were just looking for any excuse not to buy which is quite sad really.

Fans like myself have accepted these changes, no matter how stupid just so we can enjoy the whole saga in glorious HD. I will double dip if an ultimate collection comes out with all versions and complete extras (i.e. all deleted scenes) but until then, I'm just going to enjoy what should be the best of Blu-ray.

Lucas is counting on that. He knows there are plenty of suckers out there who will lap up anything Star Wars, no matter how defaced it has become.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Those customer reviews are a joke. Amazon should really remove all of them considering the set hasn't come out yet. And I imagine most people will read about two sentences of one of the reviews say "The hell? Get a life." and click the "Add to Shopping Cart" button.

Anyone bothering reading Amazon reviews is wasting his time, have you even seen reviews in there? I did not like the color of the covert art so I am give it a 1 star

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Luke's saber was potentially always mild green

The saber was never mildly green, ever. Is this the pink claims all over again? Looking back at my OT LD's, SE LD's, and the 2006 UOT release, it always had a white, somewhat oversized core, with variable levels of a blue glow. A noticeable blue glow in some shots, a barely-there blue glow in others, and white with practically no outer glow in others. Never green until 2004. The documentary footage showing green never made it into the film, so that's pointless. After your pink claims last time and the last word-itis from before, you can debate yourself on this one.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The disdain of the Prequels, to this day, amazes me compared to the crap Hollywood spews out on a yearly basis....

I never quite got it either but after the Special Edtion of 1997, a lot of people would never give the prequels a chance, they already hated them before them came out.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Well I would go see Star Wars in theaters but not in 3D, no interest in 3D so I will be skipping it.

Same here. On the other hand...

http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8be/

[Jumpman]

The sad thing about all this controversy is that the set and the reviewers won't get a fair shake.

If a reviewer, who's been following the controversy, agrees with the controversy and yet gives the set a stellar rating, they'll get criticized to no end. It'll get very ugly for said reviewer.

This set is a lose lose, even if it's better than 95% of the rest of the Blu Ray packages out there...just because some thing their childhood's are disappearing with the Special Editions.

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

The saber was never mildly green, ever. Is this the pink claims all over again? Looking back at my OT LD's, SE LD's, and the 2006 UOT release, it always had a white, somewhat oversized core, with variable levels of a blue glow. A noticeable blue glow in some shots, a barely-there blue glow in others, and white with practically no outer glow in others. Never green until 2004. The documentary footage showing green never made it into the film, so that's pointless. After your pink claims last time and the last word-itis from before, you can debate yourself on this one.

Still got the blinkers on eh?

This screen capture is from the film(as used in the documentary)---so it obviously did make it to release print(or at least some of them):



Seeing as this documentary was from 1977 and that it aired whilst the actual film was still running in the theaters--I propose that it is authentic contemporary evidence--as opposed to the LD's which did not come onto the market until 1982/1983.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The sad thing about all this controversy is that the set and the reviewers won't get a fair shake.

If a reviewer, who's been following the controversy, agrees with the controversy and yet gives the set a stellar rating, they'll get criticized to no end. It'll get very ugly for said reviewer.

This set is a lose lose, even if it's better than 95% of the rest of the Blu Ray packages out there...just because some thing their childhood's are disappearing with the Special Editions.

Well it does not matter for me, I plan on enjoying every minutes of this set.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Still got the blinkers on eh?

This screen capture is from the film(as used in the documentary)---so it obviously did make it to release print(or at least some of them):



Seeing as this documentary was from 1977 and that it aired whilst the actual film was still running in the theaters--I propose that it is authentic contemporary evidence--as opposed to the LD's which did not come onto the market until 1982/1983.

Blinders, eh? LOL

It never made it into the film. Period. Your picture is from a documentary that shows that clip from the film. The green saber was used as test footage and the film clip with the green saber is used in the doc. They then show the blue they finally went with in the same documentary, lol. I have multiple copies of that documentary so I know it well. In theaters, the saber was never green. Last time we "talked" you tried to use a photograph of the TV set playing a 1982 VHS tape. I showed comparison screenshots proving you wrong about the sabers from '97 and '04 and you made up some story that I got them from Empire of Dreams, lol. Have fun.

[Cinescott]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The disdain of the Prequels, to this day, amazes me compared to the crap Hollywood spews out on a yearly basis....

I re-watched parts of TPM last night on Spike TV and it is a pretty awful movie. I hadn't seen it in a while, so the awfulness was fresh and new again.

ROJ is pretty bad too, but TPM takes the cake on this one. IMO, the saga goes in almost reverse numerical order in terms of greatness:

V, IV, III, II, and tied for last I and VI, with TPM having the slight nod as worst.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The sad thing about all this controversy is that the set and the reviewers won't get a fair shake.

If a reviewer, who's been following the controversy, agrees with the controversy and yet gives the set a stellar rating, they'll get criticized to no end. It'll get very ugly for said reviewer.

This set is a lose lose, even if it's better than 95% of the rest of the Blu Ray packages out there...just because some thing their childhood's are disappearing with the Special Editions.

I think it will get a fair shake from Casey at this site.

I don't trust that many site's reviews anyway. Some are probably fearful of losing future access to Lucasfilm if they're critical and as you said, others will want to jump on the bandwagon of what's going on now to generate page hits, even if they like the set.

When the 2004 set came out, it received glowing reviews for video quality. Then, as many home theater site's members started posting about the set's problems right away, many of those sites later became critical of the set. One high profile review site comes to mind. A complete 180.

[Jumpman]

And what access to Lucasfilm are we talking about? Lucasfilm doesn't release movies every month on Blu Ray.

We get access to them once every few years....

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

And what access to Lucasfilm are we talking about? Lucasfilm doesn't release movies every month on Blu Ray.

We get access to them once every few years....

They don't release them every month?? I did not know that... We're not talking about just the Blu-ray. The access to the PR department and events that all studios hold for home video releases. General info, the films, Clone Wars on TV, DVD, and Blu-ray, etc. In 2004 we got the DVD set. In 2006, we got the set with the UOT discs. We've had all the Clone Wars releases. We've got the Blu-ray set now. Sites that cover home video need access to the studios for accurate information and scoops. If you notice, there were only a limited number of media members invited to the Lucasfilm PR event. That's not something they want to sacrifice by being too critical. Having relevant, accurate, and timely info is what generates readers and page hits and thus, advertising revenue. They can't afford to lose that.

They have to walk a fine line. If they're too critical, they can lose access. If they're too generous, they get accused of being a shill by readers.

That's why I prefer the level of independence this site has.

There was a certain TV show DVD website. They started out giving readers great information on music deletions, music replacement, and syndication cuts used for TV show episodes on upcoming DVD sets. They even let registered members login and post info, subject to verification, about other revisions found on these sets after release. This stopped, as of the last time I bothered to go there. After that, only the rare time that the studio admitted it outright, was this information revealed.

It turns out that they were threatened with loss of access by multiple studio's PR departments for posting info, albeit truthful, that could jeopardize sales. Without studio access, they wouldn't have scoops, future release dates, upcoming release info, and thus, be out of business.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The sad thing about all this controversy is that the set and the reviewers won't get a fair shake.

If a reviewer, who's been following the controversy, agrees with the controversy and yet gives the set a stellar rating, they'll get criticized to no end. It'll get very ugly for said reviewer.

This set is a lose lose, even if it's better than 95% of the rest of the Blu Ray packages out there...just because some thing their childhood's are disappearing with the Special Editions.

It will get a fair shake depending on where you read the review (i.e. not amazon's). The reviewers on this site do a good job of seperating the movie's quality from the A/V/Extras presentation. Almost all reviewers will have a disclaimer saying "I feel this way about the changes, now with that out of the way, the blu rays look like...." Most readers just need to remember (as a lot didn't with the LOTR theatrical set) that the critics are reviewing what is there and not what isn't. So, the best advice will always be to go to a niche review site like this one in comparison to things like Entertainment Weekly, Amazon, CNN, and so and so forth.

However, keep in mind MOST of the reviewers have been made aware of the color issues of the 2004 release by now and WILL be looking for that. THAT will have a large impact on the overall review for sure.

[Eismagier]

Originally Posted by Breather

If you notice, there were only a limited number of media members invited to the Lucasfilm PR event. That's not something they want to sacrifice by being too critical.

Any reviewer who is afraid to lose perks is in the wrong business, imo.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Eismagier

Any reviewer who is afraid to lose perks is in the wrong business, imo.

I can't argue with that. That's why I prefer this site's reviews and only a small handful of other sites.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Eismagier

Any reviewer who is afraid to lose perks is in the wrong business, imo.

You can't blame them for not wanting to lose out on perks. They can get some pretty nice things. But I totally agree with you.

Over here in the UK nearly every craptacular film will have a glowing quote on the poster (usually by the same few reviewers). Some people love awful movies while others enjoy long weekends on tropical islands....