Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[adywan]

Originally Posted by nmycon

Sky TV Comparison

Also, TPM is the only prequel I have in Widescreen so it's hard to compare.

I will say that TPM looks worse than the OT. Any time you can see a blue sky (or other light areas during a dark scene), the area is riddled with coloured noise. It's very distracting.

Those comparisons are completely misrepresentative of the differences between the DVDs and the SKYHD broadcasts. They have used two different colour scales for the captures, which makes the SKYHD broadcasts seem as if the blacks aren't as crushed and the picture is lighter. The only difference between the DVDs and the SKYHD broadcasts are resolution. The colour, brightness etc should be exactly the same between the two sources if the person had actually known what they were doing when they did the screen captures.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The audio for all the films was tweaked. It was readily apparent that it was a labor of love for Matthew Wood who worked with Ben Burtt. Episode 4 got the most attention since originally it was a mono mix with no separation. He went back to the original masters to make the new mix.

What? Originally only mono? seriously? So i guess those that heard the surround & stereo mixes since 1977 were all just imagining it then?

Can't wait to read the full report. That will be interesting.

[Kamdan]

Not sure if this was posted, but I read another list of deleted scenes that are supposed to be on the Blu-ray. I think it's just a collection of the rumored deleted scenes out there.

SW
Luke's Introduction
More Vader on Blockade Runner
Anchorhead Scenes
Other Biggs Scenes?
More Owen & Beru
Expanded Sandcrawler Scenes & Droid Sale
3po pilots landspeeder when searching for R2
Ben's Hut (Luke doesn't replace 3po's restraining bolt)
Luke sells landspeeder
Cantina shots
More Garindan w/ Stormtroopers
The Snitch shots
Han and Jenny
Full Jabba scene
Vader and Chief Blast
Luke's reaction after Alderaan is destroyed
Original Dianoga
Ben sneaking around on Death Star
Han, Luke, Leia & Chewie casual walks through the halls of the DS
More Death Star Imperial employee shots
More celebration after escaping DS
Rebel Hangar & Briefing Room
Yavin IV Shots
Rebel Pilots - Red Leader
Luke's first trench run
Interior shot of exploding TIE fighter
TIE-Bomber

ESB
Probe Droid w/ force field
Probe Droid shoots Hoth squirrel
Wampa pen / attack
Luke gunner shooting Wampa
More Echo Base
Han on tauntaun shot
More Luke Bacta & mask
Luke & Leia kiss
More Rebel Soldiers
3po rips off Wampa pen sign
AT-ST shot (where the background fell)
AT-AT w/ head blown off / oddly fallen walker
General Veer's death
Luke leaving Hoth / X-Wing shots
Vader talks to Sate Pestage before talking to Emperor
More Bounty Hunters
Misc Imperial Officer Shots
Space Slug alt shots
More Dagobah Dragonsnake
Luke's 7 pieces lesson from Yoda / other lessons (seeker)
Leaving Dagobah alt shots
Alt takes of MF Arrival on Cloud City
Misc Cloud City - Peoples and establishing shots
Han & Leia's Kiss
Han torture scene
More of Luke's arrival on Bespin
Leia & Ugnaughts
More Lobot
Exterior shot of Lando pulling in Luke
Luke's mechanical hand alt shots
Dagobah swamp/tree monster

RotJ
The Cave, The Inn, The Dream, The Jawas...
More EV-9D9
More Jabba's Palace establishing shots (light man)
Yak Face & Ree-Yees argument, 3po translates
Luke jumping up in Rancor Pit
Expanded Sail Barge
Leia reaches for gun to kill Jabba
Sandstorm
Emperor arrival shots
Rebel Briefing & Departure shots
Expanded 'certain point of view' scene
Expanded Luke & Vader going to Emperor scene
More Endor shots / 3po storytelling
More of the Emperor's Minions
General Madine commanding the Mon Calamari Ship
Falcon gunners in the turrets
Bunker infiltration
More Ackbar & Calamari
female pilot
Wedge at celebration

TPM
Extended Sidious 'begin landing your troops' dialog
PK-4 & EG-9 talk about arriving Republic Cruiser
Obi-wan's fried lightsaber / additional swamp scenes
Jar-Jar's introduction (clam)
Gungan clean up crew
Maul's additional dialogue
Marie Celeste
Bongo and Waterfall
Watto's junkyard establishing shots
Jar-Jar 'juggles' cans
Anakin fights Greedo
extended Jar-Jar Sebulba dialog
Expanded sandstorm
Watto & Qui-Gon extended dice scene
Pre-Pod Race - Kitser
Pre-Pod Race - Anakin and Shmi
Jar-Jar annoys Fanta
Pod Race salvage droids
After the race - Anakin/Padme/Shmi
Removal of Anakin's Slave Bug
Extended Anakin leaves Shmi dialog
Qui-Gon & Probe Droid
Farewell to Jira
Coruscant Taxi
R2 falls off Senate landing platform
Galactic Senators more
Bail Antilles
More Ric Olie / hyperspace shot
Jar-Jar returns to Otoh Gunga
On Naboo - Anakin & Padme reunite
Naboo Hangar alt shots
Extended End Duel
Missing extra Trade Federation Battleship line

AotC
Anakin meditates
Obi-Wan & assassin droid extended
Extended Zam scene & chase sequence
Padme addresses Senate extended
Hermoine Bagwa (waitress)
Jocasta Nu and the 'Lost 20'
Obi & Jedi Temple Analysis Room droids
Don't call him Annie
Extended Obi-Wan Yoda and kids (Bear Clan) scene
Paddy Accu (Naboo water speeder pilot)
Extended Anakin/Padme picnic
Padme's parent's house
Queen Jamillia
Anakin's nightmare extended
Fireside professions
Anakin's second dream
Jar-Jar senate step up extended
Jar-Jar's senate speech
Lars reunion
3po coverings extended
Beru and Padme
Beru and Vaporator
Anakin finds the Farmers
Anakin confesses to Padme
Leaving Tatooine
Extended Obi in Kamino Sifo-Dyas dialog
Mace and Yoda scenes
Obi-Wan Jango extended fight
Guiding Light to Old Folks Home - Obi contacts Senate about army
Obi-Wan uses binoculars on Geonosis
Obi-Wan Massif attack
R4 fights Rogas
Extended Conference Dooku and conspiracy
Obi contacts R2
Extended Padme's going to find Obi scene
Dooku interrogates Padme
Extended Obi-Wan Dooku dialog
Alt Anakin/Padme capture (white hood)
R2 & 3po wait in Naboo starship
Anakin Padme captured dialog & second kiss
Mace Dooku dialog
Extended Battlefield Geonosis
Windu vs Jango (storyboards)
Attack on Droid Control Ship
Extended Dooku fight
Alt Anakin Padme wedding

RotS
Extended opening battle
More walking around the Invisible Hand & swim
Shaakti Death
More Dueling Dooku
Extended Happy (Crash) Landing
Mon Mothma
Separatist Council
Padme apartment meeting
Delegation of 2000 (senate petition)
Padme and Anakin talk
Palpatine leads on Anakin
Padme and Obi talk
Obi chooses Boga
Obi Grievous extended
Extended Mace Palpatine
Extended Order 66
Nos Monster
Extended Yoda on Kashyyyk
Undercover Stormtroopers (posing as Jedi)
Extended Obi learns Anakin = DV
Extended Obi Anakin confrontation
3po carries Padme's body
Leaving Mustafar Padme ship
Alt Palpatine's shuttle
Bail and Antilles
Hands up Vader birth
Yoda and Qui-Gon
Yoda lands on Dagobah
Obi on Tatooine delivering Luke

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Maggot

So let me get this straight and I'm sorry if this has already been over before. From what I'm reading, the bulk of the new Blu-rays are from the older 2k transfers? To me, the term new transfer means, you went back to square one and created a new print for which a new master was made. But if you simply used something old, isn't that not really new? Shouldn't a film series of this magnitude have been given something like a new frame by frame further restore(if needed) 4k or better scan/transfer? Seriously, are we talking Lucas went el-cheapo here on this set?

The Blu-Ray of Bambi used the Lowry restoration files, with some further tweaks for HD. The capture data isn't the same thing as the final product. It's one of the reasons why I don't get too upset by the color issues with recent Disney animated features. The colors may be tweaked for home video release, but the original negative has been digitally preserved and will be available for future releases well into this century.

So, if it is true that this is the 2004 Lowry restoration, with corrections - that doesn't bother me. I'm just glad they made the corrections.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by adywan

Those comparisons are completely misrepresentative of the differences between the DVDs and the SKYHD broadcasts. They have used two different colour scales for the captures, which makes the SKYHD broadcasts seem as if the blacks aren't as crushed and the picture is lighter. The only difference between the DVDs and the SKYHD broadcasts are resolution. The colour, brightness etc should be exactly the same between the two sources if the person had actually known what they were doing when they did the screen captures.



What? Originally only mono? seriously? So i guess those that heard the surround & stereo mixes since 1977 were all just imagining it then?

Can't wait to read the full report. That will be interesting.

I know that jumpman was not suggesting that Star Wars was only in mono in 1977. It was in Dolby Stereo in most theaters in 1977 ( in all the theaters I saw it in) and was advertised as such.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

I know that jumpman was not suggesting that Star Wars was in mono in 1977. It was in Dolby Stereo in most theaters in 1977.

I wasn't saying that jumpman suggested this. All he did was repost what was said from the interview over at home theatre forum and i just quoted the section that was relevant to my reply. I was only pointing out that their answer as to why there is going to be a new mix is inaccurate.

[Jumpman]

Wasn't there at least 4 different mixes for the original film when it was released?

If so, which one is right? And, which mix was first?

Not being sarcastic...I honestly want to know.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Wasn't there at least 4 different mixes for the original film when it was released?

If so, which one is right? And, which mix was first?

Not being sarcastic...I honestly want to know.

The mono mix was the final version to be completed before the films release. here is some info about it:

What is the mono sound mix?

The mono sound mix was one of the three original sound mixes created for the initial release of Star Wars. These three original sound mixes include:

70mm 6-track

35mm Dolby Stereo

35mm Mono

Each of these mixes had to be created separately. As a result, some things were done differently, just by chance, but also by design. The mono mix was the last mix to be completed and it featured a large number of differences--it was actually considered to be the "definitive" mix at the time. However, as more and more theaters upgraded their sound systems to Dolby, the mono sound mix received less and less exposure until it finally slipped into obscurity. Astute Star Wars fans swore the film had been changed, but they were really hearing a completely different sound mix.

The mono sound mix was also featured in the 1977 "Story of Star Wars" album, and in it several of the differences can be heard.

[Jumpman]

So, I ask, what's the big deal with them going back to the original mono mix, instead of the 35mm Dolby mix or the 70mm mix?

[LetoAtreides82]

What order should I watch the saga if I've never seen the movies? I've ordered the complete saga even though I've only watched one of the movies, it was one of the prequels, probably The Phantom Menace. I know that the timeline is:

1. The Phantom Menace
2. Attack Of The Clones
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. The Empire Strikes Back
6. Return of the Jedi

Is that the order I should watch them? Or should I watch them by their release date, which would be #4, #5, #6, #1, #2, #3?

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

What order should I watch the saga if I've never seen the movies? I've ordered the complete saga even though I've only watched one of the movies, it was one of the prequels, probably The Phantom Menace. I know that the timeline is:

1. The Phantom Menace
2. Attack Of The Clones
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. The Empire Strikes Back
6. Return of the Jedi

Is that the order I should watch them? Or should I watch them by their release date, which would be #4, #5, #6, #1, #2, #3?

You'll likely get lots of different answers from lots of different people. For me, I'd go for internal chronology, so 1-6 I'd say.

[Kamdan]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

So, I ask, what's the big deal with them going back to the original mono mix, instead of the 35mm Dolby mix or the 70mm mix?

Yeah, I'm wondering too. The same deal with the original theatical audio for Superman: The Movie.

[MrJoeKalel]

All of you have less proof about the blu-ray transfers than Bush and his Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. Calm your anxiety down, seriously.

I'm still asking the same question that I asked a few posts ago, do we have any confirmation of any retailer having any special goodies like an extra disc or lithograph or anything similar?

As for the order to watch SW...I'm one of those who think you should watch 4-6 FIRST then you can continue with 1-3. I believe the prequels are just an after thought about how Darth Vader became what he is.

[siso]

Originally Posted by mvckalel

as for the order to watch sw...i'm one of those who think you should watch 4-6 first then you can continue with 1-3. I believe the prequels are just an after thought about how darth vader became what he is.

+1

[phansson]

Originally Posted by nmycon

Sky TV Comparison

Also, TPM is the only prequel I have in Widescreen so it's hard to compare.

I will say that TPM looks worse than the OT. Any time you can see a blue sky (or other light areas during a dark scene), the area is riddled with coloured noise. It's very distracting.

Thanks for the screen cap link, I couldn't find it. Anyway those pics are so small it is hard to tell anything. I like the mouse over because it is easier to see differences, but again we need big pics.

TPM had a nice slathering of EE applied and riddled with blocking. So I would assume no matter what, that will be gone with the Blu Ray release.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by phansson

Thanks for the screen cap link, I couldn't find it. Anyway those pics are so small it is hard to tell anything. I like the mouse over because it is easier to see differences, but again we need big pics.

Click on the pictures, it brings up bigger images.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Click on the pictures, it brings up bigger images.

Thank you I don't know how I missed that.

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

What order should I watch the saga if I've never seen the movies? I've ordered the complete saga even though I've only watched one of the movies, it was one of the prequels, probably The Phantom Menace. I know that the timeline is:

1. The Phantom Menace
2. Attack Of The Clones
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. The Empire Strikes Back
6. Return of the Jedi

Is that the order I should watch them? Or should I watch them by their release date, which would be #4, #5, #6, #1, #2, #3?

Can't resist it:Watch 4,5&6 and leave the others.But depend on your movietaste I guess.But I would say 4,5,6,1,2&3 in any case.

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by mahatma

can't resist it:watch 4,5&6 and leave the others.but depend on your movietaste i guess.but i would say 4,5,6,1,2&3 in any case.

4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,4,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Episode 4 got the most attention since originally it was a mono mix with no separation.

That's strange considering that I saw the film in its original release in 70mm 6-track (L-Le-C-Re-R-Surround) "baby boom" stereo and that the film was also released in 35mm Dolby Optical stereo (LCRS)

So your comment makes absolutely no sense. The only thing that would make sense is to say that the original mix had mono surround, and they went back to mix it into stereo surround, but none of the OT had stereo surround in the theatrical releases, not even the special editions.

Edit: OK, I've seen the other posts and some people contend that the mono mix was "the" mix, but I would disagree with that (are they confusing Star Wars with the Beatles?). Even though the 70mm prints played only in a limited number of theatres, all press and information from Lucasfilm at the time and for years after considered the 70mm mix to be the canonical mix.

[Vincent89]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The Blu-Ray of Bambi used the Lowry restoration files, with some further tweaks for HD.

For the blu ray Bambi was scanned at 4k.