Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Eismagier]

Originally Posted by adywan

So either these promotional stills are still using the old 2004 master and they are holding off releasing any images that are truly from the blu-rays or these are in fact directly from the blu-rays and all the reports about the colour timing changes were mistaken, thinking they meant the OT when in fact the colour timing alterations were only done to the PT (which evidence is there that they have greatly altered the colour timing in AOTC especially at Kamino - proof below)

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Fellowship of the Clones?

[gallandro]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

It doesn't mean they've changed it in every single scene

Winner winner chicken dinner. The color timing of that scene probably was not changed as it closely resembles what was seen on theatrical screens. Simply pulling one still and suggesting the color timing for the whole film has been untouched is wrong.

Its clear from other promotional stills that the color timing had been changed substantially in other scenes. For one, in the Han/Leia Echo Base hallway scene, the walls are now white again instead of the blue. The Hoth battle scenes have lost their blue hue.

http://moments.starwars.com/scene/239

I mean come on...

[rockin]

Originally Posted by Eismagier

Fellowship of the Clones?

It's not really surprising is it when cyan is the colour of choice for movies these days. Peter Jackson just made it look like something released today, and I think Lucas is doing the same. Personally I think it's a bit yuck and it greatly depends on the movie for it to work well - Blade Runner Final Cut looked OK for the most part with cyan tint applied, but not all movies look good with it.

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Thanks, adywan. We get it. Can we all just wait until the 16th?

I'm afraid that's quite impossible. It'd be great if it was possible, but it's not happening.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Hey guys...what your opinion on Maul's lightsaber in those pics?

I am viewing them on a work computer so I am unsure if it is calibrated correctly.
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The top pic looks a bit too pink to me. The bottom pic looks a bit too orange.

[Blu-Runner]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Because Solo is supposed to be a good guy and a hero and in essence, Solo murdered Greedo in the original version.

Frankly, in both versions, it all happens so fast, I'm not sure the average person could tell the difference and since Greedo isn't a human, would care anyway.

When all this "Han shot first!" stuff came up years ago, I had no freaking idea what it was all about because what I had remembered (correctly or wrongly) was that Greedo had a gun under the table and Han was aware of it. So that even though Han shot first, it was in self-defense. No big deal. But changing it so that Greedo explicitly shot first? I don't think that was a big deal either.

But to the crowd that obsesses over the color of laser beams in a fantasy universe, I guess it is a big deal, especially because it was a change. Once the BDs come out, if the PQ is really good, I expect to see threads complaining about "panty lines".

My beef with the scene is that it actually looks horrible. They digitally shift Harrison's head a few inches in a split second, without him even flinching, to avoid a close range shot by Greedo. Not only that, but even Solo's original, sarcastic line of "Yes, I bet you have" implies that Han is about to blast him. It's just a an ugly scene to watch now, regardless.

[The Apocalypse]

For me, I will do my best to avoid every single Star Wars BD review (including this site's one) until I myself have gone through the films and possibly also the extras. I may check out reviews afterwards, but that's about it.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by nmycon

There are so many instances in the OT where you can see the prop lightsaber blade

Couldn't have been that hard to fix...

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I hope this is not a screenshot from the actual Blu Ray release. If it is, it's proof that we needed a 4k master of the original Trilogy.

The prop lightsaber is the last thing I would notice in that pic.....

[beckmen]

Originally Posted by earmullet

Here is a collage of hi rez screen grabs that seem to be from the actual source.

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpb...=asc&start=100

Some new pictures there, too. At least new to me. I am just going to start coping with pink sabers and cyan snow. I wish they had fixed that stuff, but no amount of wishing will change the truth of the situation.

[siso]

Originally Posted by beckmen

Some new pictures there, too. At least new to me. I am just going to start coping with pink sabers and cyan snow. I wish they had fixed that stuff, but no amount of wishing will change the truth of the situation.

Wait until the blu-ray reviews, these pics look terrible,I'm just ignoring them

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by siso

I really doubt these are from the "actual source"



this is more likely to be from the actual source

"seem to be"

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by beckmen

Some new pictures there, too. At least new to me. I am just going to start coping with pink sabers and cyan snow. I wish they had fixed that stuff, but no amount of wishing will change the truth of the situation.

Fear not my young apprentice, NO-ONE has seen the actual blu ray footage outside of a handful of preview sites (all 9 of them), most of it has been from the '04 HD 1080p digital file transfer without any corrections made. The pink sabres and blue snow should be a thing of the past judging by all of the commentary regarding quality control, ILM fixes, colour change, over 4 years of work on the new transfer and the overwhelmingly positive commentary from the preview reviews. They all to a man have said the problems that plauged the '04 DVD release have gone.

I am quietly confident we will be amazed at this release. Still miffed about greedo though, that SHOULD have been corrected back to the original.

[chip75]

I was hoping they'd do something with Leia's message to Obi-Wan. I think R2-D2 needs a firmware upgrade.

millenniumfalconblurays.jpg

Speaking of the message it always sounded like Bail Organa had more of a role in the Clone Wars. I don't know if they'll expand on the relationship in the series but I wonder if Bail told Leia that Obi-Wan was someone she could trust? And I wonder if Bail knew Obi-Wan was still alive, I assume the Rebels were on their way to Tatooine or they diverted there after been caught by the Star Destroyer?

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by earmullet

"seem to be"

Nope, don't mean to burst your bubble, but that bottom shot is from Lucasfilm preview event where they have specifically stated it is not from the Blu and should not be used to judge black crush, DNR etc etc. It was used to show they have listened and fixed it!

...and for the last time (because I am getting really bored of proving it to be ignored every day).....for example....

These are images from Lucasfilm illustrating some of the updates and changes made from the digital files used for the DVD release to the Blu-ray release. While I am fairly sure that they originated from the digital files, they should not be used to look for DNR, crushed blacks, resolution levels, or to find Waldo, but they should be used to see that there is no longer a puppet pole showing, that light sabers have changed, that there is more picture information on Episode I, and to represent the concept that a lot of work has gone into this release to fix issues from the previous DVD release.#

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...i-matthew-wood

or....

[Editor's Note: The following images were provided by Lucasfilm - they're not full BD resolution and so are meant only to illustrate the changes, not overall BD image quality.]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...s/preview.html

Both articles are providing images provided to them by LUCASFILM to show the blu-ray, but not show the blu-ray.

and....

For example, ILM went in and spent countless hours fixing numerous issues ranging from optical compositing side-effects, blemishes, dirt removal, restorative touches, edge enhancement, and other subtleties that plagued the DVD versions.

After watching several minutes from various scenes in A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, it's obvious that the Blu-ray versions will be the ones to own (at least until the Blu-ray 3D versions come around). They are well ahead of the DVD versions in terms of picture clarity, and also surpass the HD cable versions currently airing as there's no compression to get it through the satellite/cable line and into your home.

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star-W...rt-1-of-3/9424

You should visit OT.com where the fanatics take ever bit of footage apart, complain it hasn't change from '04, complain that it still has mattes and poor sound, complain that no-one has listened, but still cannot accept we haven't seen anything from the '11 transfer yet as that is not the way marketing works in the industry. They really are showing us stuff to promote the blu ray that is not the blu ray. Go figure, but the vast majority won't care and wont notice. When the material is going out on youtube, how the hell can you possibly see what it will look like as a finished product when youtube HD isn't really HD and no where near the image of an uncompressed Blu???? Or even better, as a massively compressed JPEG image that will have been squashed to within an inch of its life so it can go on a website and be downloaded in a few seconds as opposed a few hours.

This will be my last post on this, wait a few weeks and all will be revealed. I promise not to come back and say 'I told you so' because fact is once I have it, I won't be back.

[miniroll32]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

...where the fanatics take ever bit of footage apart, complain it hasn't change from '04, complain that it still has mattes and poor sound, complain that no-one has listened, but still cannot accept we haven't seen anything yet.

A bit like here then

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

You should visit OT.com where the fanatics take ever bit of footage apart, complain it hasn't change from '04, complain that it still has mattes and poor sound, complain that no-one has listened, but still cannot accept we haven't seen anything yet.

You're not kidding. It's frankly pathetic over there with the analysis over there.

And the funny thing is, they're basically going to rip the Blu Ray and make their fan edits to their specifications...all the while denouncing the release of this thing.

It's a beautiful thing.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Thanks, adywan. We get it. Can we all just wait until the 16th?

oh right, so it ok for people to keep saying that "these images look great, you can see the colour is so much better now. They have definitely fixed the colour" but it's not ok for someone to show that they are mistaken about these promotional images?

Originally Posted by gallandro

Winner winner chicken dinner. The color timing of that scene probably was not changed as it closely resembles what was seen on theatrical screens. Simply pulling one still and suggesting the color timing for the whole film has been untouched is wrong.

Its clear from other promotional stills that the color timing had been changed substantially in other scenes. For one, in the Han/Leia Echo Base hallway scene, the walls are now white again instead of the blue. The Hoth battle scenes have lost their blue hue.

http://moments.starwars.com/scene/239

I mean come on...

do you even bother to read my posts before trying to be a smart ass? My comment was about the images on MF.com that somebody posted a link to saying that they were actual images from the blu-rays. And the same images that people have been saying that it proves that the colour timing has been changed. I wasn't wasying that this proves that bthe blu-rays are going to look the same as 2004 but that the stills are exactly the same because people are thinking that these still prove that they ahve been changed.

So either these promotional stills are still using the old 2004 master and they are holding off releasing any images that are truly from the blu-rays or these are in fact directly from the blu-rays and all the reports about the colour timing changes were mistaken, thinking they meant the OT when in fact the colour timing alterations were only done to the PT

But if you want to go there then lets compare that video of Han and leia in the corridor that you say clearly shows that the colour timing has been changed on the starwars moments site. Now i have done absolutely nothing to either capture as the video was already PC scale: So it's clearly different then is it?

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Nope, don't mean to burst your bubble, but that bottom shot is from Lucasfilm preview event where they have specifically stated it is not from the Blu and should not be used to judge black crush, DNR etc etc. It was used to show they have listened and fixed it!

...and for the last time (because I am getting really bored of proving it to be ignored every day).....for example....

These are images from Lucasfilm illustrating some of the updates and changes made from the digital files used for the DVD release to the Blu-ray release. While I am fairly sure that they originated from the digital files, they should not be used to look for DNR, crushed blacks, resolution levels, or to find Waldo, but they should be used to see that there is no longer a puppet pole showing, that light sabers have changed, that there is more picture information on Episode I, and to represent the concept that a lot of work has gone into this release to fix issues from the previous DVD release.#

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...i-matthew-wood

or....

[Editor's Note: The following images were provided by Lucasfilm - they're not full BD resolution and so are meant only to illustrate the changes, not overall BD image quality.]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...s/preview.html

Both articles are providing images provided to them by LUCASFILM to show the blu-ray, but not show the blu-ray.

You should visit OT.com where the fanatics take ever bit of footage apart, complain it hasn't change from '04, complain that it still has mattes and poor sound, complain that no-one has listened, but still cannot accept we haven't seen anything from the '11 transfer yet as that is not the way marketing works in the industry. They really are showing us stuff to promote the blu ray that is not the blu ray. Go figure, but the vast majority won't care and wont notice. When the material is going out on youtube, how the hell can you possibly see what it will look like as a finished product???? Or even better, as a massively compressed JPEG image that will have been squashed to within an inch of its life so it can go on a website and be downloaded in a few seconds as opposed a few hours.

This will be my last post on this, wait a few weeks and all will be revealed. I promise not to come back and say 'I told you so' because fact is once I have it, I won't be back.

I completely agree with you.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by adywan

oh right, so it ok for people to keep saying that "these images look great, you can see the colour is so much better now. They ahev definately fixed the colour" but it's not ok for someone to show that they are mistaken about these promotional images?


do you even bother to read my posts before trying to be a smart ass? My comment was about the images on MF.com that somebody posted a link to saying that they were actual images from the blu-rays. And the same images that people have been saying that it proves that the colour timing has been changed.


But if you want to go there then lets compare that video of Han and leia in the corridor that you say clearly shows that the colour timing has been changed on the starwars moments site. Now i have done absolutley nothing to either capture as the video was already PC scale: So it's clearly different then is it?

I'm not sure what agenda you're pushing, but you need to relax. This is a BD.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Chordata

I'm not sure what agenda you're pushing, but you need to relax. This is a BD.

There is no agenda. This is a forum after all isn't it? can't i reply to people in here unless its to agree with them? Should we all bury our heads in the sand and agree with those that say that these promotional images prove that the colour problems with the 2004 versions have been fixed, when these said images prove nothing, that the perceived difference was in fact just a difference in colour space?