Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

What about the VHS tapes of the prequels?

The VHS of The Phantom Menace is the Theatrical Version. The VHS of Attack Of The Clones is not.

There is no VHS of Revenge Of The Sith... which is kinda a shame, to have an incomplete set like that.

[DarthMarino]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

Give Lucas another 5 years and I'm sure you'll get your wish.

Years? I think he wakes up every morning with another minuscule change to train his FX interns with. He posts it on a big bulletin board that says "Today's Tweak". It's like a morning exercise if you work at ILM.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by LADodgers

So they could not duplicate what they made? I think it was more of a lets try to make him look younger and it did not turn out well. The guy was 900 years old what would 30 years younger really look like at that point?

While they did try to make him a bit younger looking, that's not the real problem with the E1 Puppet.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by LADodgers

So they could not duplicate what they made? I think it was more of a lets try to make him look younger and it did not turn out well. The guy was 900 years old what would 30 years younger really look like at that point?

I agree, 30 years on yoda shouldn't have been an issue, but you know the timing of all of the characters in the movies is horrible. Look at Uncle Ben and Aunt Beru! Wow, tatooine must have been a very harsh environment....

[TheZoof]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

I'm not a Star Trek fan, but at least now they can say they have one awesome non-tampered Star Trek film (the 2009 version) out of all 11 Star Trek films versus three tampered Star Wars films that used to be awesome.

Why are they not awesome?

Give me one reason why the original trilogy isn't still amazing due to the changes made. With or without changes... they rock.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Beast

There is no VHS of Revenge Of The Sith... which is kinda a shame, to have an incomplete set like that.

What about in other countries? There must be a PAL VHS of Revenge of the Sith somewhere...

[moviestar]

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

Can anyone confirm the P/Q quality??

bitrate is about 33k for ANH, grain looks good, didnt see blocking in screenshots (could look better if they had done a new scan, but oh well). Basically like the PremiereHD HDTV caps, just a bit more consistent.

[Doomofman]

Good news for an UKers that pre-ordered on Amazon... Price has gone down by around £10

[robmlisanti]

As I said yesterday in my Post, I canceled my order with Amazon.
I've been a fan since the day Star Wars came out in May of 1977 I saw the original movie 17 times ( Yes in the Theater! ) and was hooked from that moment on. It's been a day later and I'm still stunned to think that Lucas did this ( although not surprised! ) I feel betrayed like the Jedi.
I will just have to live with the other versions of the movies ( I have all the VHS versions, plus the 2004 Remastered DVD's.) I will not purchase this butchered Blu ray version.

[LADodgers]

Originally Posted by Doomofman

Good news for an UKers that pre-ordered on Amazon... Price has gone down by around £10

I think you are going to see this price continue to fall...more and more. You should be able to pick up this whole saga for around 46.00 bucks not too long after release. Deleted scenes are not enough to intice me to pay 90 bucks for this set.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

Why are they not awesome?

Give me one reason why the original trilogy isn't still amazing due to the changes made. With or without changes... they rock.

Without the changes...they rock.
With the changes...they rock bottom.

But it's hard to enjoy a film when you know a big ol' "noooooo" is lurking just around the corner...

[C A Iversen]

I wonder if it's possible that Lucas turned up at James Earl Jones' house and told him what scene he was planning to insert audio into and Jones basically said "No.....Noooooooo!"

And Lucas stood up and said, "that'll do nicely James" and walked out with his pocket recording device?

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

Why are they not awesome?

Give me one reason why the original trilogy isn't still amazing due to the changes made. With or without changes... they rock.

I was speaking in general. I think they are entertaining with or without the changes. Out of all the changes though, I was most disturbed by the removal of the old Anakin ghost because:

1. I felt bad for Sebastian Shaw. It was his only scene. I always liked thinking how nice it was for Anakin to be a nice old man. And now it's some young cocky Hayden punk.

2. The old Anakin action figure was pretty amazing to me as a kid. I remember reading the back of a Star Wars action figure (1980s) and reading about the mail-away offer to get the old Anakin figure. As a kid, those mail-away figures had a magical aura about them, even if the figure itself sucked. So I guess the awareness of old Ghost Anakin will be forgotten over time as the new generations will not be aware of old Anakin unless told about him from parents.

[ninjastar2120]

Originally Posted by deado

Any list for ROTJ? I'm guessing that has the most changes overall?

Via MF Forums..

Still not fixed....

Return of the Jedi

01. Imperial Shuttle flickers as it leaves the Star Destroyer.
02. Garbage mattes around Imperial Shuttle and TIE Fighters still visible.
03. Reversed shots of Boba Fett still not fixed.
04. Boba Fett's rockets are still hand-animated and fake.
05. There is still no post on the Sail Barge to support Luke and Leia's rope swing.
06. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
07. When the Emperor arrives at the Death Star, the TIE Fighters are plagued with garbage mattes.
08. Garbage mattes on the Rebel Fleet.
09. Rebel hangar matte painting still looks fake and is mis-matched.
10. Horrible Millennium Falcon matte painting still behind Lando and Han.
11. As Shuttle Tyderium approaches Endor, the Endor matte painting shows through the Shuttle, and the Imperial ships as well.
12. When Han says "I told you it'll work", the Endor matte painting can be seen through the Shuttle's instrument panels.
13. Speeder Bike chase still has it's fake moments, and garbage mattes are more visible in high definition.
14. The horrible matte error that occurs when Luke says "I'll take these two" and hits the brakes is still there.
15. There are still bits of black windows in the throne room where there should be a moving starfield.
16. Ewok village matte problems still not fixed.
17. When Vader's Shuttle lands on Endor and he exits, his helmet still goes through the Shuttle's nose.
18. On the Endor platform when Luke is brought to Vader, the on-set model of the AT-AT, which is way too small, is still seen.
19. Garbage mattes still seen around Death Star and Rebel Fleet approaching Endor. A-Wing engines are no longer golden, but white. Falcon engines still white.
20. When Home One takes evasive action, the Endor matte painting can still be seen through the area around Admiral Ackbar's window and the Death Star.
21. In HD, the TIE's "coming from nowhere" are painfully obvious.
22. Endor space battle still plagued with the usual transparent explosions, mattes, etc.
23. The Rebel troop behind Nien Nunb aboard the Falcon is still shown laughing at the deaths of hundreds.
24. The shadow of Vader's stunt blade is still seen.
25. Garbage mattes really visible in HD inside the Death Star around Rebel craft and TIE's.



Changes noticed:

01. Static shot of droids approaching Jabba's palace door is now a wide pan with a huge door.
02. "Jedi Rocks" is still there and unchanged.
03. The Binary sunset still shows the suns setting.
04. Han's carbonite "thaw" has been replaced with CGI.
05. After Luke "Force chokes" the Gamorrean Guards, a prequel Dug walks across the floor where the residents are sleeping. It looks VERY fake, like it was "last minute."
06. The fake shadows and artificial darkness are still present in the Rancor sequence.
07. The plastic looking herd of Banthas is still there.
08. The 1997 SE fake looking beak, tongue, and tentacles are still present on the Sarlacc.
09. Luke's lightsaber blade is HUGE.
10. The Falcon and Luke's X-Wing look good as they depart Tatooine. No transparency.
11. No blue engine hue from the Falcon.
12. Luke's X-Wing engines are red with a white core.
13. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke on Dagobah in spirit form, his aura is white.
14. Rebel briefing graphics unchanged, but the reds are darker.
15. The Emperor's throne room is now a dull blue color. It is almost white now compared to the 2004 DVD blue.
16. The greenery of Endor's forest looks vibrant and greener than ever, but actually in a good way.
17. Wicket's blinking eyes.
18. The fine hair of the Chewbacca costume can really be seen in HD.
19. The first Wokling's eyes blink.
20. The colors are really off in the throne room.
21. The Emperor's "face slugs" are no longer visible.
22. The shield generator energy arcs can no longer be seen through Ben Burtt, and the stuntman in the next shot can still plainly be seen.
23. When R2-D2 malfunctions from the blaster shot, the sparks look like purple Force lightning instead of blue-white electrical colors.
24. The only time the lightsaber blades look decent is when they are crossed in front of the Emperor's face. The rest of the time, the colors and
brightness fluctuate like the 2004 DVD.
25. The color settings of this file make the Emperor's Force lightning look like it's from a VHS copy. There's no sharpness to it, like a filter is over it.
25. Vader's "NO's" have been added. The first sounds like it has been sloppily laid on top of the mix, the second is from ROTS.
26. Vader's unmasking is STILL Sebastian Shaw. Don't believe the idiots that say it's Hayden Christensen. At least, not on THIS MKV it isn't.
27. 1997 SE and 2004 version revisions, "Weesa free!", and Hayden Christensen still at the end.

[Brightstar]

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians." "The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests." "Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."
-George Lucas, 1988

Shame on you Lucus !!!!

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by joliefan

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians." "The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests." "Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."
-George Lucas, 1988

Shame on you Lucus !!!!

You forgot the best bit, Lucas' line: The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.

[moviestar]

Originally Posted by Valaquen

You forgot the best bit, Lucas' line: The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.

meh, unfortunately we dont really know how much of the public really prefers one or the other version or totally gives a shit about those changes. so in the end, he could be even right. if he can get moar money with those changes, he will do it, knowing even some hardcore fans would buy it sooner or later anyway.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by keithabbott

Just to respond to this one particular comment before I mosy..I'm sure some comments are attacks. I've seen at least one death threat on Facebook directed at George. Not funny.

Little bit of an extreme case, ya think? Most of the "attacks" are simply opinions of those who HATE this crap release!!! As some have the right to be overly sensitive, others have a right to be pissed and be vocal about it. Well, as vocal as you can be on a keyboard.

This is the second time I had to respond to this! I guess the best way to lose a debate is for someone to throw away your posts, huh?

[Valaquen]

I think the stamping of feet has been clear.

[moviestar]

Originally Posted by Valaquen

I think the stamping of feet has been clear.

for us, but theres no way of knowing in how far that stamping is representative in respect to the number of overall customers.