Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cook]

Originally Posted by earmullet

Win!

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Not to get into this too much as it will derail the thread even more. The resolution in your HDTV is 1980 X 1020 - 2K resolution is 2048×1556 pixels and 4K is 4096×3112 pixels. 4K scans are very expensive and are generally done on well funded restoration efforts. Remember no HDTV can display a greater resolution than 1980 X 1020, thus a 2k scan will yield great results (if properly done). When a full/expensive restoration is done it makes great sense to do it @ 4K to be "future proof". Also, some experts in the field believe in "oversampling". The theory is that something scanned at 4k, "oversampling", then downconverted to 2k will yield a sharper more detailed image .

Actually 2K is 2048 * 1080---so says John Galt-- who practically pioneered the first generation of digital cameras (F900 and the Genesis)


But the bulk of theatrical installations around the world are the Texas Instruments DLP. And its maximum resolution is 2048x1080. I mean, let's face it. The difference between 1920 and 2048 is 6%. Believe me, you cannot see a 6% difference. Six percent is irrelevant.

When you scan film at 2K, you're often just scanning 1728 across the Academy Aperture. Just to make things a little more complicated!

So these are all high definition television projectors going into theaters whether you like it or not. Slightly better color gamut, but they are all basically paying lip service to the idea that it's not HD.

Its a horrible ratio anyway, 2048/1920. You want to avoid these horrible little small ratio numbers because a digital filter to scale 1920 to 2048 is difficult, and you probably lose more in the filter than you can gain by having a few more pixels.
http://magazine.creativecow.net/arti...ture-of-pixels

[neo78956]

I guess I just don't understand why Lucasfilm can't be bothered to do a Blade Runner or Avatar style release with every version of the film. That way, everybody wins. Lucas gets to put out his "vision" with the changes, and the fans get the unaltered editions. And if you're gonna do that, don't do a half-assed job like the 2006 dvds where the theatrical versions are just a bonus feature with a sub-part transfer that is non-anamorphic. Why is that so hard for them? Hell, the Blade Runner set includes FIVE versions of the same film all with top notch PQ and AQ. Same for the Avatar Collector's Edition. Three versions of the film on ONE disc with the best blu-ray transfers currently available on the format. Is Lucas really THAT ashamed/emabrassed of the theatrical cuts that he wants to bury them forever? This is the same guy, who in 1987, watched a restored 35mm print of A New Hope and proudly exclaimed "THAT'S the Star Wars I made." Apparently not. But why restrict the availability of the UOT? It makes no sense.

By that same token, I'm still getting this set. After just watching the 2004 dvds recently, I was glad to see fewer changes than I remembered, especially in Empire Strikes Back, which is easily my favorite screenplay of all time. I go back and forth on the changes. Some days they bother me more than others, some days I hardly notice. I was 8 years old when the Special Editions hit theatres, but I never owned them on home video until the 2004 dvds. I grew up watching the old VHS tapes from this set. http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Tril...5173455&sr=1-6

But whether I like it or not, the Special Editions are a little more natural to me as I kind of grew up with them. I just don't understand why we can't have BOTH versions with great picture and sound. Again, that way, everybody wins.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by octagon

I do understand the idea of a character arc. I also understand that this one just plain sucked.

The ten year old Ani wasn't particularly whiny. Unlike the 'adult' Ani who was incredibly whiny and oh, by the way, a murdering thug well before he got 'lured' to the dark side. That's the biggest problem with Anakin's character arc...he doesn't really have one. His 'arc' is basically...

Normal kid.
Whiny murdering thug
Whiny murdering thug
Badass murdering thug
Badass murdering thug
Badass murdering thug who changes his mind

That's not a character arc. It's a charicature arc.

And as a writer, it makes perfect sense to me. For someone to turn into the epitome of evil, he will certainly have character flaws that enable that change to take seed and root. If he was just badass from the start, then there's no arc.

And speaking of whiny, Luke is that and moreso in the first Star Wars. Like father, like son. It works perfectly.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Guitar Joe

He went from being a little jerk to a big jerk to a nice guy the last five minutes of his life. That's not much of an arc.

I know many people like that. Except they never change.

[MaxPower111]

[whine] But I was going into Tosche station to pick up some power converters! [/whine]

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by neo78956

By that same token, I'm still getting this set.

In the eyes of quite a few people, you've just defeated your whole argument with this statement. I can't speak for everyone, but the "accepted notion" seems to be that if you're really concerned about the theatrical cuts, you won't settle for anything else.

I just don't understand why we can't have BOTH versions with great picture and sound. Again, that way, everybody wins.

In truth, its not about "everyone winning". Its about Lucas having the versions he wants available on the format. He's said for years that the original versions are no longer fit for his intentions with the story, so he won't release them. He's not doing it out of hate or spite; he just doesn't see them as relevant anymore.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by neo78956

I guess I just don't understand why Lucasfilm can't be bothered to do a Blade Runner or Avatar style release with every version of the film. That way, everybody wins. Lucas gets to put out his "vision" with the changes, and the fans get the unaltered editions. And if you're gonna do that, don't do a half-assed job like the 2006 dvds where the theatrical versions are just a bonus feature with a sub-part transfer that is non-anamorphic. Why is that so hard for them? Hell, the Blade Runner set includes FIVE versions of the same film all with top notch PQ and AQ. Same for the Avatar Collector's Edition. Three versions of the film on ONE disc with the best blu-ray transfers currently available on the format. Is Lucas really THAT ashamed/emabrassed of the theatrical cuts that he wants to bury them forever? This is the same guy, who in 1987, watched a restored 35mm print of A New Hope and proudly exclaimed "THAT'S the Star Wars I made." Apparently not. But why restrict the availability of the UOT? It makes no sense.

That is a great point: look at the Criterion Release of Brazil, made with Gilliam's blessing. It contains the 90 minute butchered cut of the film, that no doubt gave him heart palpitations when they forced it on him (you wanna talk about butchering an 'original vision'!) but it's still there for you to watch, happy ending and all.

I'm at the point where I don't really care anymore, I have copies of the ones I saw in theaters, blah blah blah. And in actuality, as a fan of Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon's growing up, I kind of like the new polish on some of the exterior FX scenes in the OT to bring it up to speed with the newer stuff. I'm not going to begrudge the guy that, not hold it against him he doesn't do what Gilliam does, although I think stuff like that (Bladerunner and CE3K) being out there tend to make us fans frustrated because it's clearly easy to do for sets that will sell far, far less.

But Han still shot first.

And BTW - if he Easter Eggs the originals everyone will drool over him again. Also, his marketing skills have always surpassed his filmmaking skills, going back to when he took the merchandising rights in exchange for upfront money. And here we are 2 weeks from the umpteenth release of this stuff and it's the lead in news story... at least that much hasn't changed.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MaxPower111

Simon Pegg is taking this waaaay too hard

You think? He really need's to lie down and relax a little bit.

[georgec]

Just in case you guys didn't know, that Simon Pegg .gif is from the amazing show Spaced which aired in 1999-2000. In one of the episodes Simon's character talks about how bad The Phantom Menace was then it shows a flashback to him burning his SW stuff after seeing the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJlgpozN31s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQfHRfX2o8

[octagon]

Originally Posted by retablo

And as a writer, it makes perfect sense to me. For someone to turn into the epitome of evil, he will certainly have character flaws that enable that change to take seed and root. If he was just badass from the start, then there's no arc.

And speaking of whiny, Luke is that and moreso in the first Star Wars. Like father, like son. It works perfectly.

What change? Slaughtering women and children is a bit more than a 'character flaw' and going from whiny murdering thug to badass murdering thug isn't much of a change.

And that's the rub with this whole so-called arc. The ten year old Ani is a fairly sympathetic character. The adult Anikan is not. We don't see a basically decent guy seduced by the dark side. We see a self-indulgent douche become an even more self-indulgent douche.

If that appeals to you as a writer so be it.

It did not appeal to me as a viewer.

[MaxPower111]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

You think? He really need's need to lie down and relax a little bit.

To be fair I felt like burning my Star Trek blu-ray after watching it the first time, but the PQ was so amazing, I couldn't bring myself to do it

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by octagon

What change? Slaughtering women and children is a bit more than a 'character flaw' and going from whiny murdering thug to badass murdering thug isn't much of a change.

And that's the rub with this whole so-called arc. The ten year old Ani is a fairly sympathetic character. The adult Anikan is not. We don't see a basically decent guy seduced by the dark side. We see a self-indulgent douche become an even more self-indulgent douche.

If that appeals to you as a writer so be it.

It did not appeal to me as a viewer.

How about this one maybe the story isn't about Anakin at all? Maybe its about obi wan? Hmmm His failure as a teacher "Anakin" and redemption as a teacher "Luke" Who knows Lucas might change his mind in 10 years. It would be alot better that a whinny thug murdering kid becoming a murdering thug. Bottom line is when Lucas wrote the PT he didn't even think about the OT and left way to many plot holes.

[georgec]

R2-D2 is the real hero of the saga.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by georgec

R2-D2 is the real hero of the saga.

Nope! George Lucas accountants are the real heroes of this saga

[AYColumbia]

Is there a way for me to remove my vote in the poll?

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by octagon

What change? Slaughtering women and children is a bit more than a 'character flaw' and going from whiny murdering thug to badass murdering thug isn't much of a change.

And that's the rub with this whole so-called arc. The ten year old Ani is a fairly sympathetic character. The adult Anikan is not. We don't see a basically decent guy seduced by the dark side. We see a self-indulgent douche become an even more self-indulgent douche.

If that appeals to you as a writer so be it.

It did not appeal to me as a viewer.

I don't get your critizism at all. I have hardly seen such a well thought out and believable turn from good to evil than in the Star Wars Prequels. Anakin is a kid with much empathy. Later he is an adolescent who is brave but impulsive, who falls in love, is torn by this new feelings, his attachement to his mother and his loyalty to the jedi and their code. I don't really see him as "whiny". Think of your first love and how it felt. To me the dialogue especially in Episode 2 is very honest and rings true. You must see it in a fatalistic "Romeo & Julia" kind of way. He dehumanised the Tusken he killed in a blind rage after his mother was killed. Only later he realized what a horrific thing he had done. And he keeps it a secret from Ob-Wan and the other Jedi... That's all very interesting stuff!

[MCT]

Originally Posted by octagon

And that's the rub with this whole so-called arc. The ten year old Ani is a fairly sympathetic character. The adult Anikan is not. We don't see a basically decent guy seduced by the dark side. We see a self-indulgent douche become an even more self-indulgent douche.

thank you. Not only was he self-indulgent, but quite the dullard. I know he was young, but come on, he wasn't some 15 year old kid when he fell to the darkside. Combined with his age and the Jedi training he received, he should have known that Sith are 1.) Evil beyond all reproach, and 2.) LIARS.

Not only this, but after he helped kill Windu, Palpatine tells him he doesn't even know how to successfully cheat death and that they have to work together to find the secret .....and his wife was 8 or 9 months pregnant at the time! WTF that's not a large enough window to find the secret to immortality. And he STILL goes along with the plan to destroy the Jedi. Why would anyone feel sorry for a drooling moron like that? When he finally became machine Vader, I kinda just shrugged my shoulders and cringed when he yelled out NOOOOOO.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Thanks.

I'll definitely be following this a bit more and check out the early reviews. The change to Vader is just.. ugh. Definitely not purchasing this.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by MCT

thank you. Not only was he self-indulgent, but quite the dullard. I know he was young, but come on, he wasn't some 15 year old kid when he fell to the darkside. Combined with his age and the Jedi training he received, he should have known that Sith are 1.) Evil beyond all reproach, and 2.) LIARS.

Not only this, but after he helped kill Windu, Palpatine tells him he doesn't even know how to successfully cheat death and that they have to work together to find the secret .....and his wife was 8 or 9 months pregnant at the time! WTF that's not a large enough window to find the secret to immortality. And he STILL goes along with the plan to destroy the Jedi. Why would anyone feel sorry for a drooling moron like that? When he finally became machine Vader, I kinda just shrugged my shoulders and cringed when he yelled out NOOOOOO.

Bingo!