Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[mrpink134]

Bottom line is when Lucas made the PT's he didn't put much thought into it. Alot of plots in the OT was contradicted by the PT's that why he changed his mind so many times and decided to make all 6 movies about Anakin. In the beginning it was about Luke and his rise to become a Jedi not about Anakin

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Bottom line is when Lucas made the PT's he didn't put much thought into it. Alot of plots in the OT was contradicted by the PT's that why he changed his mind so many times and decided to make all 6 movies about Anakin. In the beginning it was about Luke and his rise to become a Jedi not about Anakin

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. There's no real contradictions. They're all one well inter-connected story to me.

[ckocher]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Bottom line is when Lucas made the PT's he didn't put much thought into it. Alot of plots in the OT was contradicted by the PT's that why he changed his mind so many times and decided to make all 6 movies about Anakin. In the beginning it was about Luke and his rise to become a Jedi not about Anakin

I disagree, I think it was always about Vader. He brought balance to the force. We just didn't know it until the prequel trilogy came out.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by ckocher

I disagree, I think it was always about Vader. He brought balance to the force. We just didn't know it until the prequel trilogy came out.

It was never about vader until he became his cash cow. I remember Lucas stated that it was about Luke Starkiller. Yes Starkiller was his name at first. He changed it when vader became popular.

[double_l4488]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

This is what I dont get, how can someone like Bad plot holes, thats how

I am not about to defend AOTC, but what you post is when he is very young. Post something in ROTS, like when fights Dooku, and when he fights Kenobi. Hayden and Anakin were right on in ROTS and was a real badass. In aotc, him being a melodramtic, whiny kid. who the f#ck knows why.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

Anakin was not "evil" in the second movie. He was still a good guy, who in a fit of rage did something evil. It makes him a flawed and angry person, but not completely evil (yet). We don't even know as viewers if the women and children were not involved in the death of Anakin's mother.

So he was just flawed and for all we know the kids had it coming anyway.

Okay.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

It was never about vader until he became his cash cow. I remember Lucas stated that it was about Luke Starkiller. Yes Starkiller was his name at first. He changed it when vader became popular.

He changed it when Vader became popular??!!!!! Are you kidding me? Was Vader popular before the movie was released? Luke's name was changed before they started shooting the first movie.

And what else would the prequels be about if not Vader?

[hipster.doofus7]

Originally Posted by octagon

So he was just flawed and for all we know the kids had it coming anyway.

Okay.

So I listed like a dozen debate points UTTERLY DISPROVING your claim that Anakin's AotC behavior was not foreshadowed. And all you can say is a sarcastic "okay".

There's no cure for blindness, I guess. Especially if it's willful blindness.

[Guitar Joe]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yes, Star Wars is a B film with a A budget. It's sci-fi pulp, nothing more. Even Lucas admits his biggest influences were the old Flash Gordon serials... serials were always B class entertainment, but entertaining for sure.

I see them as b-movies, too. But it seems like Lucas tried to make them something bigger and more serious when he did the prequels, and I don't think he came close to succeeding.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Bottom line is when Lucas made the PT's he didn't put much thought into it. Alot of plots in the OT was contradicted by the PT's that why he changed his mind so many times and decided to make all 6 movies about Anakin. In the beginning it was about Luke and his rise to become a Jedi not about Anakin

I agree. I always felt that the The Original Trilogy was about Luke's journey from a Farmboy to a Jedi Knight.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by octagon

I don't know about giving the OT too much credit.

I do think the Luke arc worked better than the Anakin arc but that certainly doesn't make it high art.

The only other real 'arcs' in the OT were fairly lame.

Han's arc could have been okayish were it not for the facts that Jedi just plained sucked overall and Harrison Ford phoned it in anyway.

And Vader? Vader didn't really have an arc. He was evil and then he changed his mind. That wasn't an arc, it was a plot twist.

Yeah, as much as I like Han's character, he should have been killed off like Harrison Ford wanted him to be. The story didn't suffer without his death, but the character did. That being said, I do like seeing Han with the group at the end of Jedi. It makes for a good ending with the trio still being together.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

You´ve got to love how PT Anakin and all the PT characters take greatest precedence in this image from the UK box and the US box. That said, this UK image is a lot better than the US version, Han, Luke and Leia are more prominent in this one and not stuck in the top right corner like they are in the US one. Perhaps the PT didn´t do as well in the UK as it did in the US?

The way George with this blu-ray release is targeting the younger demographic by giving precedence to the PT, all in order to milk a new generation, while ignoring the old fans of the OT that he´s already milked numerous times, is pretty blatant and somewhat cynical if you ask me.

I think you're reading to much into it.

It's a great SW poster - it's totally cool and I like that GL is in it too.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

He changed it when Vader became popular??!!!!! Are you kidding me? Was Vader popular before the movie was released? Luke's name was changed before they started shooting the first movie.

And what else would the prequels be about if not Vader?

The prequels were never planed until after Empire! It was about Luke! he changed it after Vader became his cash cow in the OT. In 4-5-6 the stories main focus was about Luke, watch them without the PT in mind and you can see that.
This is from the UOT, you can see that its about Luke and not Vader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKtciRCVpFE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL09BB518080BC422F

Here the new one to make it about vader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKbzwOz43u4&feature=related

Bad plot holes!

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Hard to say at this point, but it's quite possible that as bad as these new changes are, they will be dramatically worse on the original trilogy release for 3D as the gimmicky CGI stuff and changes will probably increase 10 fold.

I'm just waiting for the release where the Yoda puppet is replaced in Empire and Jedi. You know it's coming at some point.

I don't think that is going to happen. I just don't think it will go that far. I think I'd prefer that change (I really like the ep 3 Yoda very much).

But I think George will always keep Yoda as is.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Snowmaker

What do you think that is?

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Post.../dp/B001JHQSWW

$4 shipped!

Hmmn. Very tempting... I really like it...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

So I listed like a dozen debate points UTTERLY DISPROVING your claim that Anakin's AotC behavior was not foreshadowed. And all you can say is a sarcastic "okay".

There's no cure for blindness, I guess. Especially if it's willful blindness.

Wait, am I wilfully blind or am I blinded by hate?

My insurance company might need that for one of the forms.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

I don't think that is going to happen. I just don't think it will go that far. I think I'd prefer that change (I really like the ep 3 Yoda very much).

But I think George will always keep Yoda as is.

Considering the Lucasfilm crew has already said that George has no intention whatsoever of ever replacing the puppet Yoda I don't think we have to worry.

Yes, Lucas could change his mind, but I think George is proud of the puppet. It garnered praise in its day and its a very good puppet. I think that would be the one change that would destroy him. The straw that broke the camels back as it were.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by WannabeSpiderMan

...
I know Puppet-Yoda is sacred. I understand and I get it. But realistically, after being spoiled with Digital-Yoda, who is capable of a wider emotional range of acting and lip-syncing, the puppet Yoda will stand out like a sore thumb when the films are watched consecutively.

**braces self for death by a angry mob**

I agree. After seeing Yoda in Ep 3 (and 2) the 5+6 Yoda does look fake at times and just, less emotional, less.. depth in his eyes. I love the close up's on Yoda in his battle with Palpatine...

But I don't think Ep 5+6 Yoda will be changed. If a "No" brings this kind of reaction --- imagine what would happen with a Yoda CGI change.

[jrmac2000]

The one thing I never see discussed much is how these films have always been the test vehicles to push special effects to the next level. I think they suffer for it. The work done on the special editions pushed lucasfilms to new heights and laid the groundwork for much more realistic cgi effects in the years flowing. Perhaps if Lucas made more films he would have other test subjects, but alas these are his lifes work. I am betting the new work on these blus will be some of the best we have seen so far, but will look too dated in a couple of years paving the way for yet more tweaks. Lucasfilms has to get work from Hollywood afterall and these films are their resume in my opinion.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

I agree. After seeing Yoda in Ep 3 (and 2) the 5+6 Yoda does look fake at times and just, less emotional, less.. depth in his eyes. I love the close up's on Yoda in his battle with Palpatine...

But I don't think Ep 5+6 Yoda will be changed. If a "No" brings this kind of reaction --- imagine what would happen with a Yoda CGI change.

I would NEVER buy it and never buy anything Lucas ever made or involved in again