Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Anakin definitely learned his lesson after that which is why in EPVI, Vader didn't jump up onto the catwalk after Luke.

I'm not sure he could've, it's probably harder to use a Force jump with mechanized legs.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

Do the non-anamorphic DVDs of the OT look that bad? I'm thinking of picking them up.

They don't look that bad. They don't sound as good as the Laserdisc version, though, for obvious reasons.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Are these lame personal attacks really necessary? You're better than this. I think...

"Is it the Chad?"



No, the comment's not about the Chad.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I'm not sure he could've, it's probably harder to use a Force jump with mechanized legs.

Well, he did seem to use some kind of force jump when he was fighting Luke in ESB, when he "floated" down the stairs that he had just thrown Luke down... not the same thing as a high-jump, though.

The thing to remember, (and I'm sure you do), when it comes to the failed jump in Ep.III, is that it didn't matter how high he jumped, Obi-Wan had the high ground, and he was going to get Anakin no matter how high he jumped, Obi-Wan would still have the advantage.

In RotJ, Luke clearly had the mobility advantage, Vader wasn't going to try anything stupid. His best bet was to keep a cool head, and keep an eye on Luke and not try to chase him around. I love the RotJ fight, it's a microcosm of the whole Star Wars saga.

[Batman1980]

I'm not most, I prefer the lightsaber duels from the PT because it actually seems like the fighters have a strategy and have some skill.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I'm not sure he could've, it's probably harder to use a Force jump with mechanized legs.

I dunno...he didn't seem to have any trouble jumping down steps and landing softly when fighting Luke on Bespin...just sayin...

Edit: Oops!! Looks like mjbethancourt covered it...

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I'm not most, I prefer the lightsaber duels from the PT because it actually seems like the fighters have a strategy and have some skill.

Every fight is unique in all of the movies. They all have specific dynamics and tone that set them apart from each other. They all sort of "tell a little story" within the story, they define characters.
The only fight that's lame, is old Obi-Wan waving that lightbulb around wishing he had a stunt double in EpIV.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Every fight is unique in all of the movies. They all have specific dynamics and tone that set them apart from each other. They all sort of "tell a little story" within the story, they define characters.
The only fight that's lame, is old Obi-Wan waving that lightbulb around wishing he had a stunt double in EpIV.

I don't think Lucas ever meant for that to be considered a fight. It was more Obi-Wan accepting the fact that his powers were almost gone and he had failed with Vader. He did atone for that sin by helping to train Luke, though.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I don't think Lucas ever meant for that to be considered a fight. It was more Obi-Wan accepting the fact that his powers were almost gone and he had failed with Vader. He did atone for that sin by helping to train Luke, though.

Oh, Obi-Wan definitely had that purpose. I actually like that "fight" a lot better after seeing EpIII. I know it's my imagination, but it's almost like Obi-Wan gives Vader a wink before he raises his blade and lets him take a cut, almost like he's saying "yeah, I owe you a free shot after the way I left you on Mustafar". He does give him a thin little smile there. Now, it shows how that event broke Obi-Wan down, aged him prematurely with guilt and worry, and made him pretty much retire from all Jedi practice and training, until Leia and Luke came along and nudged him out of retirement. I think Lucas did a good job of fitting the nuances of the PT to what he was stuck working with in the OT. (As much as people hate the little changes, I think he showed restraint in leaving so much of it as it is, an d not trying too hard to refit it to the PT. Even Tolkien went back and re-edited 'The Hobbit' to make Gollum more menacing, after he had decided to make him a major monster in LotR).

Still, even with the given intent, I think that "fight" was badly executed, and limited by very fragile props and unimaginative failure to use some stunt-work.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Oh, Obi-Wan definitely had that purpose. I actually like that "fight" a lot better after seeing EpIII. I know it's my imagination, but it's almost like Obi-Wan gives Vader a wink before he raises his blade and lets him take a cut, almost like he's saying "yeah, I owe you a free shot after the way I left you on Mustafar". He does give him a thin little smile there. Now, it shows how that event broke Obi-Wan down, aged him prematurely with guilt and worry, and made him pretty much retire from all Jedi practice and training, until Leia and Luke came along and nudged him out of retirement. I think Lucas did a good job of fitting the nuances of the PT to what he was stuck working with in the OT. (As much as people hate the little changes, I think he showed restraint in leaving so much of it as it is, an d not trying too hard to refit it to the PT. Even Tolkien went back and re-edited 'The Hobbit' to make Gollum more menacing, after he had decided to make him a major monster in LotR).

Still, even with the given intent, I think that "fight" was badly executed, and limited by very fragile props and unimaginative failure to use some stunt-work.

Soresu is not that acrobatic to begin with and Vader lacked the agility/Force power to jump around like he did as Anakin. Obi-Wan was clearly outmatched so he gave in to the inevitable and let Vader end his life.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Soresu is not that acrobatic to begin with and Vader lacked the agility/Force power to jump around like he did as Anakin. Obi-Wan was clearly outmatched so he gave in to the inevitable and let Vader end his life.

He was buying time for the others to escape. He knowingly sacrificed himself for the others, (well, sacrificed his body... trans-substantiating was apparently also a part of his plan.) Vader even said as much to Tarkin, "Escape is not his plan, I must face him, alone." Obi-Wan's presence on the death star had Vader very distracted and upset, which helped the rescue immensely.

(... who is Soresu?)

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

He was buying time for the others to escape. He knowingly sacrificed himself for the others, (well, sacrificed his body... trans-substantiating was apparently also a part of his plan.) Vader even said as much to Tarkin, "Escape is not his plan, I must face him, alone." Obi-Wan's presence on the death star had Vader very distracted and upset, which helped the rescue immensely.

(... who is Soresu?)

Soresu is not a person, it's a style of lightsaber combat that focuses on defense and using your opponent's attacks against him. Vader uses form V which sacrifices defense for overwhelming power. The real version of the duel went quite differently than the afterthought in IV.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Soresu is not a person, it's a style of lightsaber combat that focuses on defense and using your opponent's attacks against him. Vader uses form V which sacrifices defense for overwhelming power. The real version of the duel went quite differently than the afterthought in IV.

Ahh... gotcha. Seems like Vader's defense is all in keeping composure, rather than in saber-technique. Makes sense, since he can throw so much at you in addition to just his saber, all of his opponents would be on their heels all the time.

What "real version" of the duel do you speak of, so I can see it as well? Is it in a comic?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Ahh... gotcha. Seems like Vader's defense is all in keeping composure, rather than in saber-technique. Makes sense, since he can throw so much at you in addition to just his saber, all of his opponents would be on their heels all the time.

What "real version" of the duel do you speak of, so I can see it as well? Is it in a comic?

The real fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan took place in Episode III, the one in IV was basically Obi-Wan helping Anakin's son and saying goodbye to his old friend, even if the guy was evil.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

The real fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan took place in Episode III, the one in IV was basically Obi-Wan helping Anakin's son and saying goodbye to his old friend, even if the guy was evil.

Oh, you mean 'THE DUEL'.

I don't think Obi-Wan ever got over how much it hurt him to have to clobber Anakin like that. I think the irony is that fight really killed both of them in every way other than the literal sense. That was one of many bad calls that Yoda made, that he had to deeply regret in his exile, sending Obi-Wan after him alone like that. It would have been much wiser if Yoda and Obi-Wan had gone after Anakin together, and they would have had a much better chance of pursuading Anakin from his evil course, and then either both or all three of them could have confronted Palpatine together, and stood a much better chance of defeating him. There is a lot of bitter experience in Yoda's words to Luke, "do not underestimate the powers of the emperor"; Yoda made that mistake himself.

I think Luke proved himself to be the best Jedi of all, because he had all the best characteristics of the others, and drew strength from his own humility. It was Luke who defeated the Emperor, by doing the impossible and turning his apprentice Vader, something Yoda and Obi-Wan should have done a long time ago.

[STARSCREAM]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Aw, that sucks. You never rode it?

No, haven't been to Disney World since I was around 5, it's been like 25 years since I've been.

The upgrades they are giving to the ride sound awesome so hopefully I'll be able to go back someday and ride it when it reopens.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Everything changes! If you get attached to something you will inevitably suffer for it!

Everything is in constant motion! Accept that fact, or accept the uncomfotable consequences.

I don't understand your reply to my post. I said that I loved the OT when they were released and that I have nothing against the SE.

I don't care if George adds again something else to improve any movie, but please complete the film and be done with it.

[P@t_Mtl]

14 months to go and this thread as already exploded. It's going to be a fun year

[Jumpman]

Tell me about it. I can't wait until the actual set comes out and then, this thread will go hyperdrive...it's going to be fantastic because someone's going to complain.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Tell me about it. I can't wait until the actual set comes out and then, this thread will go hyperdrive...it's going to be fantastic because someone's going to complain.

How much do you want to bet, that almost all the people that end up complaining about the quality of the blu-ray, will be all the same people who profess hatred for the prequels and special editions?

It will be the same list of characters.