Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005) - Page 139 - Blu-ray Forum

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 09:16 AM

Oh, I have no doubt. It's going to be glorious.

About the set, do you think Lucas will offer digital copies in the set as well? Only reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to imagine how many discs are going to be in this thing.

Six for the films alone. I would say three special features blu ray discs at maximum...maybe? That's nine and then if he offer two disc with the digital copies of each film, that's eleven. Odd number....

He wouldn't do a blu ray supplement disc for each film would he? That's a twelve disc set right there.

P@t_Mtl · 08-16-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

How much do you want to bet, that almost all the people that end up complaining about the quality of the blu-ray, will be all the same people who profess hatred for the prequels and special editions?

It will be the same list of characters.

It's not much of a bet to make, it's pretty much a given

Lucas could release the best looki, most amazing sounding Blu-ray thatas ever and ever will be and they will still come here and say it sucks!!!!

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

Oh, I have no doubt. It's going to be glorious.

About the set, do you think Lucas will offer digital copies in the set as well? Only reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to imagine how many discs are going to be in this thing.

Six for the films alone. I would say three special features blu ray discs at maximum...maybe? That's nine and then if he offer two disc with the digital copies of each film, that's eleven. Odd number....

He wouldn't do a blu ray supplement disc for each film would he? That's a twelve disc set right there.

My guess? Either one supplemental disc for the whole set, or one disc for each trilogy. Digital copy? Probably so. I think digital copy is tied to the proliferation of smartphones, especially ones with greater storage. If smartphones have another strong quarter this holiday season, (and they probably will), then I see digital copy in more and more major releases.
How much space does a digital copy take up on a disc? I don't know off the top of my head... is there room to cram multiples onto one disc?

I can't imagine how many discs they will try to cram into each snapcase, the set could get pretty crowded.

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

It's not much of a bet to make, it's pretty much a given

Lucas could release the best looki, most amazing sounding Blu-ray thatas ever and ever will be and they will still come here and say it sucks!!!!

Yep!

... and they will all say that the only reason we are happy with the quality is because we are fanboys.

dib · 08-16-2010, 09:32 AM

I hope the complete set is done with 7.1 DTS-MA and not just 5.1 or 5.1 True Dolby Digital EX.

I know George loved Dolby digital before since it was required on all DVDs. I suppose I could live with a good 6.1 mix. Toy Story 2 is a good example of a awesome EX mix that I would not mind in the star wars set. I'd just think that george would really make it awesome with some 7.1 effects that are possible now that were not available before.

Could you imagine for once hearing something zig zag from the back left to the front right speakers?

I couldn't careless what editing is done. Sure it ruins the 'original' but I think the idea is expressed better using current technology.

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 09:37 AM

court,

I could see one disc for each trilogy easily but it really all depends if he also includes the supplement material from the Prequel DVDs and the '04 Original Trilogy boxset.

If he includes all that supplement material in SD, I can see two discs worth of supplement material for the whole set. The previous released stuff on one disc and the new supplement material on the second disc.

Now, if he includes all the supplement material from those discs but upgrades all of it to HD, then I see a supplement disc for each film easily.

It just all depends if he decides to include all the stuff we already have on DVD or not. I mean, that's alot of material. Documentaries, featurettes, the online documentaries, the deleted scenes, the trailers, music videos, tv spots. Could they actually fit four discs worth of supplement material in SD on one blu ray disc...or four discs worth of supplement material but upgraded to HD on one blu ray disc?

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dib

I hope the complete set is done with 7.1 DTS-MA and not just 5.1 or 5.1 True Dolby Digital EX.

I know George loved Dolby digital before since it was required on all DVDs. I suppose I could live with a good 6.1 mix. Toy Story 2 is a good example of a awesome EX mix that I would not mind in the star wars set. I'd just think that george would really make it awesome with some 7.1 effects that are possible now that were not available before.

Could you imagine for once hearing something zig zag from the back left to the front right speakers?

I couldn't careless what editing is done. Sure it ruins the 'original' but I think the idea is expressed better using current technology.

If anyone would do it that way, he would. George is the original proponent of super audio.
Should be a reference AQ release, (that should be a given for the PT). Anything less will not do.

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

court,

I could see one disc for each trilogy easily but it really all depends if he also includes the supplement material from the Prequel DVDs and the '04 Original Trilogy boxset.

If he includes all that supplement material in SD, I can see two discs worth of supplement material for the whole set. The previous released stuff on one disc and the new supplement material on the second disc.

Now, if he includes all the supplement material from those discs but upgrades all of it to HD, then I see a supplement disc for each film easily.

It just all depends if he decides to include all the stuff we already have on DVD or not. I mean, that's alot of material. Documentaries, featurettes, the online documentaries, the deleted scenes, the trailers, music videos, tv spots. Could they actually fit four discs worth of supplement material in SD on one blu ray disc?

I expect mostly completely different supplemental material, with only a little bit of overlap from previous releases. I don't think it will have hardly any of the same supplemental material as the two-disc PT DVDs, because I believe the material for the boxset is going to be oriented more towards the saga as a whole rather than for individual titles. I think material related to individual titles (i.e. deleted scenes) will be included directly on the main feature discs for each title. He's going to have plenty of extra space on the discs, I don't expect the video encodes to take up that much space, he's not doing an ultra-mega 8k super-bit remastering of anything... the audio could take up a lot, though, if they get too fancy about multiple languages for surround mixes.

A BD-50 can hold at least 15 hours of SD content with multichannel (standard, compressed) audio, maybe more, depending on bitrate; that's a lot of room for supplemental material.

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 09:54 AM

court,

I think I tend to agree with you. But you know the outcry will happen if Lucas doesn't include all of that stuff.

The only reason I was really asking was because Bill Hunt on his site, I think, a couple of years ago pointed to this very same issue, saying he had heard it through the grapevine that the supplement material on the boxset would be totally different from the DVDs that are out now.

Now, you may ask why would he post that rumor from a couple of years ago (I wish I could find the damn link)...and the answer is that it's been floated around the net for a while that Lucas has been working on the Saga for an eventual boxset release ever since Episode III was released on home video. That's five years he's been working on it...if rumors are to be true (and I personally think they are...that's a whole other story).

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 09:56 AM

court,

If you combine the supplement material from the Prequel DVDs and the '04 boxset, that's pretty close to 15 hours in SD. It might be more.

He might include it...

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

court,

I think I tend to agree with you. But you know the outcry will happen if Lucas doesn't include all of that stuff.

The only reason I was really asking was because Bill Hunt on his site, I think, a couple of years ago pointed to this very same issue, saying he had heard it through the grapevine that the supplement material on the boxset would be totally different from the DVDs that are out now.

Now, you may ask why would he post that rumor from a couple of years ago (I wish I could find the damn link)...and the answer is that it's been floated around the net for a while that Lucas has been working on the Saga for an eventual boxset release ever since Episode III was released on home video. That's five years he's been working on it...if rumors are to be true (and I personally think they are...that's a whole other story).

I think those rumors are correct, too.
GL likes to take his time with his work. Star Wars is his magnum opus, he's never been one to rush anything out, that's one of the things he specifically left behind when he split ways with the studio system.

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If you combine the supplement material from the Prequel DVDs and the '04 boxset, that's pretty close to 15 hours in SD. It might be more.

He might include it...

Well, like I said before, a lot of that stuff he could easily spread out over the individual title-feature discs, if it's material directly connected to individual episodes.

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 10:01 AM

court,

If true and he's been working on this boxset for at least 5 years, this thing will be epic. And personally, I always assumed that it would be because this will be the first time he's been able to release the films as ONE SAGA instead of two separate trilogies.

I think, to him, that's going to be a big deal.

hardcorefrokid · 08-16-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dib

I hope the complete set is done with 7.1 DTS-MA and not just 5.1 or 5.1 True Dolby Digital EX.

Agreed. But, I have a feeling it's going to be a 5.1 mix. Isn't it always?

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

court,

If true and he's been working on this boxset for at least 5 years, this thing will be epic. And personally, I always assumed that it would be because this will be the first time he's been able to release the films as ONE SAGA instead of two separate trilogies.

I think, to him, that's going to be a big deal.

Yep. Unlike some bitter people, who assume everything he says is a lie, I take him at his word that this boxset is a very big deal for him, and most likely the last that he will work on himself. Any future release during his lifetime, (or at least, his professional lifetime), will be some piecemeal transfer ported down from this work. George is not a young man, he won't doing this stuff much longer.

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 10:17 AM

court,

Agreed. PeterTHX, a few pages back, pointed to his marketing history on home video. It's not as greedy as people think it is.

Not saying he wouldn't release them again on Blu Ray in the distant future but personally, as you say in his professional lifetime, I don't see it. He's working on Clone Wars. He's got Red Tails to finish up to be release theatrically some time. Dude's got other things on his plate besides these six films. Clone Wars has become a serious priority...more than fans think.

I don't see him revisiting Star Wars on Blu Ray after it's release next fall for at least five years, if he even does it at all.

As an aside, I'm so happy I didn't jump the gun and sell my Star Wars DVDs. Like you, I just feel that supplement material will be totally different than what we have now and material on those DVDs were fantastic.

mjbethancourt · 08-16-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

court,

Agreed. PeterTHX, a few pages back, pointed to his marketing history on home video. It's not as greedy as people think it is.

Even if he did flog releases, (which he doesn't), when considering just how many of the most in-demand film properties in the world are Lucasfilm properties, the man is peerless, it's ridiculous to hold him the same standard as any other film producer in the business today; he literally owns 9 of the most popular and beloved films of all time, if he didn't keep them continually released in the market, he would be falling behind demand. How many 33-year-old movies are syndicated by every cable channel that can afford them? How many can be assured that even after so many years of continuously being in the marketplace, they can press a new release and be the top selling title for weeks?

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As an aside, I'm so happy I didn't jump the gun and sell my Star Wars DVDs. Like you, I just feel that supplement material will be totally different than what we have now and material on those DVDs were fantastic.

Likewise... I watch that stuff all the time. I play it in the background while I'm working, or on the computer or PS3. It's good stuff.

P.S.: I'm pretty excited to see how 'Red Tails' turns out. Isn't that supposed to be his 3D test-run, before going ahead with the 'Star Wars 3D' project?

P@t_Mtl · 08-16-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

As an aside, I'm so happy I didn't jump the gun and sell my Star Wars DVDs. Like you, I just feel that supplement material will be totally different than what we have now and material on those DVDs were fantastic.

Until I can be sure that Empire Of Dreams will be in the new release along with some of the other features, I am keeping my DVD sets

aiman04 · 08-16-2010, 10:45 AM

I think almost all the docs on the previous DVD release were shot on HD cameras, especially the main ones (The Beginning, From Puppets to Pixels, Within a Minute and Empire of Dreams). It's unlikely that these docs will be presented in SD if they're included.

Jumpman · 08-16-2010, 11:04 AM

Even if he did flog releases, (which he doesn't), when considering just how many of the most in-demand film properties in the world are Lucasfilm properties, the man is peerless, it's ridiculous to hold him the same standard as any other film producer in the business today; he literally owns 9 of the most popular and beloved films of all time, if he didn't keep them continually released in the market, he would be falling behind demand. How many 33-year-old movies are syndicated by every cable channel that can afford them? How many can be assured that even after so many years of continuously being in the marketplace, they can press a new release and be the top selling title for weeks?

court,

Absolutely on the money. As for Red Tails, no it's not in 3D. But, he's had it on the back burner for over twenty years. Star Wars and his laziness got in the way.

And actually, it's ten of the most beloved films of all time...if you include Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Shot me, I loved it.

aiman,

Actually, all the material on the DVDs now were shot with HD cameras. So, technically, he could upgrade all of that to HD on the set. But again, I'm not seeing it. court and I agree that this set will come with entirely new supplements. We may see a few things ported over, but not all the stuff.

Again, should be interesting.

partridge · 08-16-2010, 11:30 AM

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View Poll Results: Which version of Star Wars Blu-ray will you be purchasing (or not)?
The Complete Star Wars Saga	1,335	72.48%
The Prequel Box Set	20	1.09%
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Not Purchasing Star Wars Blu-ray	377	20.47%
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08-16-2010, 09:16 AM	#2761
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	Oh, I have no doubt. It's going to be glorious. About the set, do you think Lucas will offer digital copies in the set as well? Only reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to imagine how many discs are going to be in this thing. Six for the films alone. I would say three special features blu ray discs at maximum...maybe? That's nine and then if he offer two disc with the digital copies of each film, that's eleven. Odd number.... He wouldn't do a blu ray supplement disc for each film would he? That's a twelve disc set right there. Last edited by Jumpman; 08-16-2010 at 09:19 AM.

08-16-2010, 09:37 AM	#2766
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	court, I could see one disc for each trilogy easily but it really all depends if he also includes the supplement material from the Prequel DVDs and the '04 Original Trilogy boxset. If he includes all that supplement material in SD, I can see two discs worth of supplement material for the whole set. The previous released stuff on one disc and the new supplement material on the second disc. Now, if he includes all the supplement material from those discs but upgrades all of it to HD, then I see a supplement disc for each film easily. It just all depends if he decides to include all the stuff we already have on DVD or not. I mean, that's alot of material. Documentaries, featurettes, the online documentaries, the deleted scenes, the trailers, music videos, tv spots. *Could they actually fit four discs worth of supplement material in SD on one blu ray disc...or four discs worth of supplement material but upgraded to HD on one blu ray disc?* Last edited by Jumpman; 08-16-2010 at 09:40 AM.

08-16-2010, 11:30 AM	#2780
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	Star Wars blu-Ray release date!! http://www.reghardware.com/2010/08/1..._wars_blu_ray/ October 2011

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08-16-2010, 09:32 AM	#2765
dib Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Location:NC Home Theater Gallery:29	I hope the complete set is done with 7.1 DTS-MA and not just 5.1 or 5.1 True Dolby Digital EX. I know George loved Dolby digital before since it was required on all DVDs. I suppose I could live with a good 6.1 mix. Toy Story 2 is a good example of a awesome EX mix that I would not mind in the star wars set. I'd just think that george would really make it awesome with some 7.1 effects that are possible now that were not available before. Could you imagine for once hearing something zig zag from the back left to the front right speakers? I couldn't careless what editing is done. Sure it ruins the 'original' but I think the idea is expressed better using current technology.

08-16-2010, 09:54 AM	#2769
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	court, I think I tend to agree with you. But you know the outcry will happen if Lucas doesn't include all of that stuff. The only reason I was really asking was because Bill Hunt on his site, I think, a couple of years ago pointed to this very same issue, saying he had heard it through the grapevine that the supplement material on the boxset would be totally different from the DVDs that are out now. Now, you may ask why would he post that rumor from a couple of years ago (I wish I could find the damn link)...and the answer is that it's been floated around the net for a while that Lucas has been working on the Saga for an eventual boxset release ever since Episode III was released on home video. That's five years he's been working on it...if rumors are to be true (and I personally think they are...that's a whole other story).

08-16-2010, 09:56 AM	#2770
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	court, If you combine the supplement material from the Prequel DVDs and the '04 boxset, that's pretty close to 15 hours in SD. It might be more. He might include it...

08-16-2010, 10:01 AM	#2772
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	court, If true and he's been working on this boxset for at least 5 years, this thing will be epic. And personally, I always assumed that it would be because this will be the first time he's been able to release the films as ONE SAGA instead of two separate trilogies. I think, to him, that's going to be a big deal.

08-16-2010, 10:17 AM	#2775
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	court, Agreed. PeterTHX, a few pages back, pointed to his marketing history on home video. It's not as greedy as people think it is. Not saying he wouldn't release them again on Blu Ray in the distant future but personally, as you say in his professional lifetime, I don't see it. He's working on Clone Wars. He's got Red Tails to finish up to be release theatrically some time. Dude's got other things on his plate besides these six films. Clone Wars has become a serious priority...more than fans think. I don't see him revisiting Star Wars on Blu Ray after it's release next fall for at least five years, if he even does it at all. As an aside, I'm so happy I didn't jump the gun and sell my Star Wars DVDs. Like you, I just feel that supplement material will be totally different than what we have now and material on those DVDs were fantastic.

08-16-2010, 10:45 AM	#2778
aiman04 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Malaysia Home Theater Gallery:9	I think almost all the docs on the previous DVD release were shot on HD cameras, especially the main ones (The Beginning, From Puppets to Pixels, Within a Minute and Empire of Dreams). It's unlikely that these docs will be presented in SD if they're included.

08-16-2010, 11:04 AM	#2779
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:117 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1785 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	Even if he did flog releases, (which he doesn't), when considering just how many of the most in-demand film properties in the world are Lucasfilm properties, the man is peerless, it's ridiculous to hold him the same standard as any other film producer in the business today; he literally owns 9 of the most popular and beloved films of all time, if he didn't keep them continually released in the market, he would be falling behind demand. How many 33-year-old movies are syndicated by every cable channel that can afford them? How many can be assured that even after so many years of continuously being in the marketplace, they can press a new release and be the top selling title for weeks? court, Absolutely on the money. As for Red Tails, no it's not in 3D. But, he's had it on the back burner for over twenty years. Star Wars and his laziness got in the way. And actually, it's ten of the most beloved films of all time...if you include Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Shot me, I loved it. aiman, Actually, all the material on the DVDs now were shot with HD cameras. So, technically, he could upgrade all of that to HD on the set. But again, I'm not seeing it. court and I agree that this set will come with entirely new supplements. We may see a few things ported over, but not all the stuff. Again, should be interesting.

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