Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[NexusVerbal]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

Strong words for someone who hasn't actually watched TPM in Blu-ray yet. Angry nerds are angry...

To quote Gary Kurtz: "One bad shot can ruin the whole movie, basically."

I think at this point, we're pretty much sure that the PQ on Phantom Menace is going to be pretty bad. It's not like we've gotten stills from only a single scene in the entire film and are making judgements. Stills from various parts of the film have been released and are looking consistently bad.

And people, whether they are nerds or not, have the right to get angry. This is film we are talking about here, whether it's Star Wars or not, and film should always be treated with care. Imagine if a studio tried to pull this shit on Lawrence of Arabia or Sunset Boulevard, you'd think I'd stay quiet and accept it? No way.

On another note, I don't really like the Phantom Menace, but like I said before, you'd think George would treat the films well with all the resources he has under his belt, but he hasn't, and that proves that the man has really lost his mind.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Bro

What the **** is THAT????

I really hope that's fake. He looks like a damn wax model or a painting

Seriously WTF is that ugly shit? Is this real or not? Quick. So I can still cancel my order

Jesus Christ. That shot of Qui-Gonn is the worst yet.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by skyofcrack

I'm sure GL had the final word on the look of TPM on BD and he wanted it to match the digital look of EP II and EP III as best as he could. He'll never have a complete consistency for all 6 movies unless he re-shoots IV-VI digitally. Maybe when he gets really bored. I wonder if he'd ever let anyone else direct them.

Call me what you will, but I really doubt anyone would accept a newly-filmed version of the OT storyline. Even after 28 years, the original cast members are still so closely identified with their characters, so new stars would likely be seen as annoying at best, or insulting at worst. Besides the films, there's been legions of toys, comics, cards, games, novels, and all sorts of products, all bearing likenesses of the original cast. To many people, Mark, Carrie, Harrison, and Billy Dee are Luke, Leia, Han, and Lando.

[aiman04]

Though the grain seems almost absent, I can still see details, like how they de-grained Aliens. This look good to me:

[Show spoiler]

This is just my opinion of course. But I agree that Qui-Gon shot is bad, no one can argue that. I hope it's only that one shot or at least only a few.

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by teamneedle

right..... so you must have been on the "noooooo" being fake bandwagon too.

its there.

No... I wasn't. For all I know that could be fake too

Although that's more likely to be real than this is. But who knows with this Lucas moron

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

AlexSing - Yes, that's DNR (digital noise reduction) for you.

And no, I'm not angry at all. I'm not a fan of TPM, so I couldn't care less really.

Samuel L Waxon - what a shame, I really thought they would do a good job with TPM after how derided the DVD became. How naive am I - Lucas really does live in his own little world...

[hipster.doofus7]

Originally Posted by NexusVerbal

I think at this point, we're pretty much sure that the PQ on Phantom Menace is going to be pretty bad. It's not like we've gotten stills from only a single scene in the entire film and are making judgements. Stills from various parts of the film have been released and are looking consistently bad.

Uh, no.

It's the Qui-Gon still that keeps popping up over and over and over and over again. And it has become the banner for all the haters. I mean... just because you see 2 samples posted 20 times, doesn't mean you've seen 20 examples. And the funny thing is... nobody knows why that Qui-Gon photo is so soft. Is it because of DNR? Is it because of motion blur? Or is it simply a misfocused shot that made it into the final cut of the film? I don't know for sure. Do you?

The rest of the stills we've seen from TPM are not "pretty bad" as you claim they are. To me, the rest of the stills are about on par with the Aliens Blu-ray. Clear evidence of DNR, but still very decent.

[Nicolawicz]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

Star Wars has almost no EE and minimal to moderate DNR, which has been re-grained using Lowry's digital grain (just like the Alien/Aliens Blu-Rays).

Are you sure these bozos erase the grain and then add digital grain? That's the stupidest thing I've heard.

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

Uh, no.

It's the Qui-Gon still that keeps popping up over and over and over and over again. And it has become the banner for all the haters. I mean... just because you see 2 samples posted 20 times, doesn't mean you've seen 20 examples. And the funny thing is... nobody knows why that Qui-Gon photo is so soft. Is it because of DNR? Is it because of motion blur? Or is it simply a misfocused shot that made it into the final cut of the film? I don't know for sure. Do you?

The rest of the stills we've seen from TPM are not "pretty bad" as you claim they are. To me, the rest of the stills are about on par with the Aliens Blu-ray. Clear evidence of DNR, but still very decent.

You kidding me? Look at the Princess's dress? Looks really flat and lacking detail. She looks like a damn cardboard cut out. So do Jar Jar and the other guy in the background...

Granted, the Anakin shot looks great.

[NexusVerbal]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

Uh, no.

It's the Qui-Gon still that keeps popping up over and over and over and over again. And it has become the banner for all the haters. I mean... just because you see 2 samples posted 20 times, doesn't mean you've seen 20 examples. And the funny thing is... nobody knows why that Qui-Gon photo is so soft. Is it because of DNR? Is it because of motion blur? Or is it simply a misfocused shot that made it into the final cut of the film? I don't know for sure. Do you?

The rest of the stills we've seen from TPM are not "pretty bad" as you claim they are. To me, the rest of the stills are about on par with the Aliens Blu-ray. Clear evidence of DNR, but still very decent.

I've seen these shots and they are merely okay. Read my comments more carefully, will you? Yes, there are some decent shots, but we've gotten too many bad shots from too many scenes to know that the transfer for Phantom Menace is going to be a total dud. Even if only ten minutes of Phantom Menace look as bad as the Qui-Gonn still, it is enough to ruin the entire picture for some fans.

Again, to quote Gary Kurtz: "One bad shot can ruin the whole movie, basically."

[AlexSing]

If people are going to insist on requoting huge pictures could you at least use spoilers please? cheers

[sevb36]

How sharp do you people want it? Every pore??????? Most of the time I see films in theaters they are not as sharp as the screecaps seen above.

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

Nicolawicz - It's actually not stupid at all. Real film grain is extremely inconsistent, especially during dark scenes versus bright scenes. What Lowry does is make the entire film extremely consistent, so nothing stands out to ruin the viewing experience.

After the DNR de-gaining process, digital grain has to be added back in to make it still look like film. Without the digital grain, it would look way too distracting.

Does it replace the detail that the DNR process removes?

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by sevb36

How sharp do you people want it? Every pore??????? .

Why not? This is a blu ray site and there are loads of catalogue releases with higher levels of detail

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

Nicolawicz - It's actually not stupid at all. Real film grain is extremely inconsistent, especially during dark scenes versus bright scenes. What Lowry does is make the entire film extremely consistent, so nothing stands out to ruin the viewing experience.

...this comment really deserves the >>>



Please stop spreading this nonsense.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

He's talking about this screenshot

Surely that must be fake?!

Anyways does anyone else feel that Episode 1 sticks out? 2 and 3 are seems like they are connected. Episode 1 seems like it stands on it's own with the more kid friendly mood and the annoying Anakin kid.

Also not much that happens in Episode 1 has an impact for the rest of the movies except for the Jedis finding Anakin. But Episode 1 seems like it could have been told in a flashback in Episode 2 or even just be mentioned in dialogue.

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

Nicolawicz - It's actually not stupid at all. Real film grain is extremely inconsistent, especially during dark scenes versus bright scenes. What Lowry does is make the entire film extremely consistent, so nothing stands out to ruin the viewing experience.

After the DNR de-gaining process, digital grain has to be added back in to make it still look like film. Without the digital grain, it would look way too distracting.

I hope you are joking. That is one of the most retarded things I have ever heard.

Film grain is natural. It's supposed to look the way it does.

digital grain has to be added back in to make it still look like film.

This totally proves you wrong? If they wanted it to "still look like film" then they wouldn't need to remove anything in the first place...

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Surely that must be fake?!

Anyways does anyone else feel that Episode 1 sticks out? 2 and 3 are seems like they are connected. Episode 1 seems like it stands on it's own with the more kid friendly mood and the annoying Anakin kid.

Also not much that happens in Episode 1 has an impact for the rest of the movies except for the Jedis finding Anakin. But Episode 1 seems like it could have been told in a flashback in Episode 2 or even just be mentioned in dialogue.

TPM seems different for a few different reasons.

It was shot on film, unlike episodes II and III which were done digitially.
Different Anakin actor, seems more kid friendly, like you say.
Puppet Yoda (before it was fixed)
Made in the 90s. II and III were done in the 2000s

It just seems older I guess :P

[aiman04]

When you use DNR you'll lose details, adding digital grain will only make it worse. Certain director purposely adds digital grain for artistic reasons (i.e. 300), especially when shot digitally where there are no analogue film stock used, this is different.

Grains not necessarily be a director's intent. The problem is when they use DNR we'll loose the details so it's better to just leave the grain intact. When the director prefer to remove the grain, that's his artistic intent and if he can do it properly then I'm fine with it (i.e. Aliens).

My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by AlexSing

Why not? This is a blu ray site and there are loads of catalogue releases with higher levels of detail

Really honest question here, as you have Predator UHE in your collection, can you tolerate the DNR in that blu-ray? Just curious.

[Breather]

Some TPM screenshot comparisons I found. HDTV vs. BD rip:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=78492

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=78493

Qui-Gon shot:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=78496

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78482

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by aiman04

When you use DNR you'll lose details, adding digital grain will only make it worse.

Exactly.
And while we're at it....here's one of the best YouTube clips regarding this subject.

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"There's another thing I keep hearing a lot. And it's completely wrong. And that is; People have this mindset that 'oh - I thought Blu-ray was supposed to provide crisp, clean, perfect images for everything. Why do these old movies look all grainy?'. Because those old films were filmed with film. Film is composed of film-grain. If you remove the film-grain you remove the image, if you reduce the film-grain you reduce the detail."

Why are so many Blu-rays all GRAINY??? - YouTube