Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

What I really wonder is if Lucas will use the existing masters from the '04 boxset or entirely new ones?

I know some had issues with the color timing with that set. I see the issues, but it didn't bother me.

Still, I wonder if he'll go back and strike new masters for the original trilogy?

I would bet that Lucas had or will have new masters done. Aside from the color-timing issues, the masters for the 04 set are really good, but they may not look that great in HD/blu. That's what happened with Indy 1-3 - they used the dvd masters for blu and Lucas/Speilberg pulled it because the quality wasn't up to snuff. I think the color-timing issue was done on ILM's side and not Lowry's.

[kamiller42]

Glad these are being released. Sucks I have to buy the horrible prequels. (CORRECTION: Maybe I don't have to buy all 6.) I agree with 99.9% of the reviews of them provided by Red Letter Media. Grab some popcorn and watch some very entertaining reviews.

http://www.redlettermedia.com/phantom_menace.html
http://www.redlettermedia.com/clones.html

Harrison Ford is a very good actor. Hans Solo <> Indiana Jones. Hans Solo is more relaxed and laid back than Indiana Jones. Hans Solo has more of a sense of humor. He likes the ladies. Indiana Jones does not appear this way. He's a man on a mission and remains seriously committed to the end.

I don't care if the metamucil was in Lucas' notes in 1977. They were left out then for a good reason. It's dumb and needless way to explain the force.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by kamiller42

Glad these are being released. Sucks I have to buy the horrible prequels. (CORRECTION: Maybe I don't have to buy all 6.) I agree with 99.9% of the reviews of them provided by Red Letter Media. Grab some popcorn and watch some very entertaining reviews.

http://www.redlettermedia.com/phantom_menace.html
http://www.redlettermedia.com/clones.html

Harrison Ford is a very good actor. Hans Solo <> Indiana Jones. Hans Solo is more relaxed and laid back than Indiana Jones. Hans Solo has more of a sense of humor. He likes the ladies. Indiana Jones does not appear this way. He's a man on a mission and remains seriously committed to the end.

I don't care if the metamucil was in Lucas' notes in 1977. They were left out then for a good reason. It's dumb and needless way to explain the force.

Considering how the Force works and all of that, you'd think fully trained Jedi Knights and Masters would be able to track down potentials without using counting machines.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Someone needs to watch Hidden Fortress. The Droids are the characters through which the story is told, their fallibility is their humanizing feature making them better conduits through which the audience can experience the story. Believe it or not, C3P0 and R2D2 are the leads. This is my biggest issue with the prequels(outside of the whole lack of a used future), the driods are no longer the focus as such their is a disconnect between the film and audience.

The used future present in the OT is mostly due to the Empire's Industrial Machine.

There's no love for craftmanship once the Empire comes to power. There's no room for form over function.

It's much like comparing design aestetics for pretty much everything pre-WWII and post-WWII.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Beast

The used future present in the OT is mostly due to the Empire's Industrial Machine.

There's no love for craftmanship once the Empire comes to power. There's no room for form over function.

It's much like comparing design aestetics for pretty much everything pre-WWII and post-WWII.

It's just one of my favorite things about the OT. I find things are more believable if they looked "lived in." The prequel trilogy looks like a new $5 bill, somethings just not right.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Considering how the Force works and all of that, you'd think fully trained Jedi Knights and Masters would be able to track down potentials without using counting machines.

Yeah, like Vader did with Leia. Wait....

Hell, he didn't even detect Luke or Obi-Wan in orbit of Tatooine.

[Jumpman]

Indy,

Where did you hear that info about Lucas and Spielberg pulling out on Indy on Blu Ray because of '03 masters?

That's the first I've heard that.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Indy,

Where did you hear that info about Lucas and Spielberg pulling out on Indy on Blu Ray because of '03 masters?

That's the first I've heard that.

I think it was confirmed back when Crystal Skull was released.

They planned to release the trilogy as well. But felt they wasn't good enough for Blu-Ray.

[Jumpman]

Beast,

If that's true, that's very interesting. Like Indy said, that almost confirms that Lucas will strike new masters for Star Wars. I mean, Indy was done in 2003.

If he felt those Indy's weren't up to snuff, those Star Wars masters only a year later wouldn't really be up to snuff either.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I don't see BD66 hitting the markets, really. Not for most releases, they may be used for stuff like 3D releases, though.

Possible; BD66 is still 2 layers so the most it would need is firmware if even. I do know that CD and DVD both saw midlife capacity upgrades that still worked on old players. But yea, chances are BD50 will remain the most frequently used for movies.

[Yami]

Of course I'd love the original's to be included but being born in 1996 means that I never saw them until they were released on DVD a few years ago and to be honest it doesn't bother me. I would rather the original trilogy with a CGI Yoda, fixed lightsabers, better SFX and Hayden Christensen as force Anakin at the celebration.

I can understand the purists though, I certainly wouldn't want one of my movie memories changed. I'd be up in arms about any changes to The Lord of the Rings or The Dark Knight in 30 years time.

[PeterTHX]

I just hope they finish Return of the Jedi.

A lot of recompositing work needs to be done on that, they fixed a few of the most egregious errors but irritants remain, and they're all the more visible in HD:

Han's lip sync in the shuttle approach sequence

TIE fighters popping in at the beginning of the space battle "Fighters coming in!" (Falcon window POV, the rear fighters)

Garbage mattes around the ships & Death Star

Originally they were only going to redo Star Wars (IV) for the 20th Anniversary but Empire & Jedi were added at the last minute. Looks like they ran out of time on Jedi.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Originally they were only going to redo Star Wars (IV) for the 20th Anniversary but Empire & Jedi were added at the last minute. Looks like they ran out of time on Jedi.

They spent too much time and money on the "Jedi Rocks" sequence to fix those other issues.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by Beast

I think it was confirmed back when Crystal Skull was released.

They planned to release the trilogy as well. But felt they wasn't good enough for Blu-Ray.

Yeah, I read that over at The Bits.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Beast,

If that's true, that's very interesting. Like Indy said, that almost confirms that Lucas will strike new masters for Star Wars. I mean, Indy was done in 2003.

If he felt those Indy's weren't up to snuff, those Star Wars masters only a year later wouldn't really be up to snuff either.

Not only that, but SW was kinda rushed out. I think Lowry was only given 30 days for each film and they usually take longer than that. I don't know how much time they spent on Indy.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I just hope they finish Return of the Jedi.

A lot of recompositing work needs to be done on that, they fixed a few of the most egregious errors but irritants remain, and they're all the more visible in HD:

Han's lip sync in the shuttle approach sequence

TIE fighters popping in at the beginning of the space battle "Fighters coming in!" (Falcon window POV, the rear fighters)

Garbage mattes around the ships & Death Star

Originally they were only going to redo Star Wars (IV) for the 20th Anniversary but Empire & Jedi were added at the last minute. Looks like they ran out of time on Jedi.

Not only that, but the matte paintings were pretty bad as well.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Tarkin: This bickering is pointless. Now Lord Vader will provide us with the blu-ray of the Special Editions only. We will then crush the Purist Rebellion with one swift stroke.

[Show spoiler]

Sweet!!

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I know, not much of a change. Just showing that Star Wars is not that amazing, even the actors knew it. It's a movie that is a tribute to B movies and serials from the 40's & 50's. Great Action? Yes! Amazing effects? Heck yes! Great acting & script? Not even close! So why do people are so convince these first movies are such masterpieces? No one love's them like I do, I have seen the first Star Wars now and I am not joking on this probably close to 500+ (roughly about 20 times a year since 1985). Even I know how cheesie they are so if me, who just love them so much can't be blinded by the cheese, terrible dialogue and acting...what movie are these guys actually watching then?

Pat@ Why do you look down on those movies so much while you love them so much???
The SW Saga is hugely complex and intelligent compared to any motion picture out there. Don't you remember my thread about the meaning of SW???
It has very interesting themes, and great moral messages.
Just because there is action and fantastic elements and cheesy dialogue doesn't make it less sophisticated then say Casablanca.
It's just a different way of telling a story.
SW rules in every conceivable way.
I admit that the dialogue is terribly silly at times, but that's the style Lucas chose for his films, but for me it doesn't decrease the overall significance of this incredible piece of art!

I hope we are on the same page here!

Originally Posted by bandit29

Absolutely not. If anything I thought he was at his worst in ROTJ.

I agree that Harrison Ford was at his worst in ROTJ. That was just lazy, and he should apologize to all the fans for it!

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I just hope they finish Return of the Jedi.

A lot of recompositing work needs to be done on that, they fixed a few of the most egregious errors but irritants remain, and they're all the more visible in HD:

Han's lip sync in the shuttle approach sequence

TIE fighters popping in at the beginning of the space battle "Fighters coming in!" (Falcon window POV, the rear fighters)

Garbage mattes around the ships & Death Star

Originally they were only going to redo Star Wars (IV) for the 20th Anniversary but Empire & Jedi were added at the last minute. Looks like they ran out of time on Jedi.

Me too. The Rancor sequence. When Luke and Han are standing on the ship before they are thrown into the Sarlaac pit (or whatever that is called). And the awful puppets in Jabba's palace.

Especially the one shot of a super star destroyer crashing into the surface of the death star or something. IT just goes vertically into this awful model kit and a cheesy flame ball goes off. That's the worst effect in the whole Saga to me!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Sweet!!



Pat@ Why do you look down on those movies so much while you love them so much???
The SW Saga is hugely complex and intelligent compared to any motion picture out there. Don't you remember my thread about the meaning of SW???
It has very interesting themes, and great moral messages.
Just because there is action and fantastic elements and cheesy dialogue doesn't make it less sophisticated then say Casablanca.
It's just a different way of telling a story.
SW rules in every conceivable way.
I admit that the dialogue is terribly silly at times, but that's the style Lucas chose for his films, but for me it doesn't decrease the overall significance of this incredible piece of art!

I hope we are on the same page here!



I agree that Harrison Ford was at his worst in ROTJ. That was just lazy, and he should apologize to all the fans for it!



Me too. The Rancor sequence. When Luke and Han are standing on the ship before they are thrown into the Sarlaac pit (or whatever that is called). And the awful puppets in Jabba's palace.

Especially the one shot of a super star destroyer crashing into the surface of the death star or something. IT just goes vertically into this awful model kit and a cheesy flame ball goes off. That's the worst effect in the whole Saga to me!

I loved watching Vader's flagship smash into the death star, should've caused more damage though.

[Jumpman]

Indy,

Yeah, I remember reading that Lowry only had 30 days with each film...but it could've been 30 days for all three films. Either way, if you read between the lines during that time, it was clear that the '04 boxset was rushed out for promotional purposes for Episode III, even though Lucas was pretty adamant about waiting to do the Original Trilogy until after Episode III was done.

I'm thinking he's striking new masters for this release.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Especially the one shot of a super star destroyer crashing into the surface of the death star or something. IT just goes vertically into this awful model kit and a cheesy flame ball goes off. That's the worst effect in the whole Saga to me!

To me the worst effect in the series they didn't fix was the TIE fighter collision explosion in the asteroid canyon in Empire.

Much worse than the SSD collision.