Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jim Morrison]

For those who may have missed this at The Guardian...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmb...-blu-ray-lucas

Here's a snippet...

A 1988 congressional hearing heard that colourising old black-and-white films would constitute "destruction of our film heritage". The speaker's statement continued: "In the future it will become easier for old negatives to become lost and be 'replaced' by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten."

It's hard to believe now, but that speaker was George Lucas. He'd re-release his most beloved trilogy of work, complete with a catalogue of updates and changes, just nine years later. And in the 13 that have followed, he's gone out of his way to wipe away all evidence that any other versions ever existed.

[P@t_Mtl]

Old story, this as been mention countless times in these threads.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Well, not bad, but it sounds a bit cheesy. They could definitely do a lot better than this.
More epic Prequel stuff would be awesome! Like on Mustafar or something like that.

Well, what do you expect? That short was done for one of the Laserdisc box sets. I still think it looks epic, though .

[koontz1973]

Originally Posted by Jim Morrison

For those who may have missed this at The Guardian...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmb...-blu-ray-lucas

Here's a snippet...

I find it amazing how many people have miss read his words. He was talking about older films which have new people working on them and changing them. At no point does he say that as a film maker, he should not have the right to go back and re work his own work.

For someone to add colour to Casablanca would be a travesty, for Lucas to change SW is OK.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Jim Morrison

For those who may have missed this at The Guardian...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmb...-blu-ray-lucas

Here's a snippet...

Read below!

Originally Posted by koontz1973

I find it amazing how many people have miss read his words. He was talking about older films which have new people working on them and changing them. At no point does he say that as a film maker, he should not have the right to go back and re work his own work.

For someone to add colour to Casablanca would be a travesty, for Lucas to change SW is OK.

I absolutely agree with this! It would be travesty if the creators of their own work weren't allowed to tinker with it until saitsified, or death.

If people, who were not the main creators of the original work were to change something, that would be an outrage!

Make sense, doesn't it!?

I am a composer/musician, and definitely have the right to change my own stuff as long as I want, wether people like it or not.
I am FULLY entitled to it.

Btw., check out my music on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/alienadin

To say otherwise is completely and utterly idotic!

George Lucas could turn his SW movies into a slapstick orgy appealing to toddlers. The are his movies. Luckily, he doesn't want to do that.

[Member-13397]

I hope the blu-rays look like this...

http://www.jedi1.net/

[ts0323]

Originally Posted by hskr121

I hope the blu-rays look like this...

http://www.jedi1.net/

Yeah, although they would need some dirt cleanup.

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

So did anyone figure out that it was Darth Palagous that created Anikan from the midiclorians and Darth Sidious killed Darth Palagous so he could become Anikan's master?

I see no point in the long story of Sidious learning the skills from Palagous if Palagous created Anakin. No, it's much more likely Sidious created Anakin once he learned the power.

[DMC86X]

Originally Posted by whbinder

I see no point in the long story of Sidious learning the skills from Palagous if Palagous created Anakin. No, it's much more likely Sidious created Anakin once he learned the power.

No but it would have been cool if Qui-Gon would have explained it to Obi-Wan as a force ghost at the end of Episode 3.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by DMC86X

No but it would have been cool if Qui-Gon would have explained it to Obi-Wan as a force ghost at the end of Episode 3.

What makes you think Qui-Gon knew the story of Anakin's origins, it seems to me the Jedi didn't really understand it either.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by koontz1973

I find it amazing how many people have miss read his words. He was talking about older films which have new people working on them and changing them. At no point does he say that as a film maker, he should not have the right to go back and re work his own work.

For someone to add colour to Casablanca would be a travesty, for Lucas to change SW is OK.

I'm not sure he's being misread at all (though that's obviously difficult to say without reading his entire testimony which I'd wager exactly none of us have done).

The issue here isn't simply who should or shouldn't be allowed to make changes to films. The 'gotcha' moment here, such that it is, is when he argues that the public has a *stake* in those changes.

In this current debate preservationist appeals to film history, future generations, childhood memories and the like are routinely derided and dismissed with words to effect of 'stfu, they're HIS movies, HE can do whatever HE wants with them' and it's ironic to say the least to see that in the past Lucan himself has said 'welllll, it's not that simple...there is a public good to be considered here'.

You know what else is ironic?

He was testifying in subcommittee hearings about a bill that would have prohibited major alterations to a motion picture without the consent of the 'artistic authors' - ie the primary director and primary screenwriter.

Why is that ironic? If that bill had passed he might have needed permission slips to change Empire or Jedi

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by koontz1973

I find it amazing how many people have miss read his words. He was talking about older films which have new people working on them and changing them. At no point does he say that as a film maker, he should not have the right to go back and re work his own work.

For someone to add colour to Casablanca would be a travesty, for Lucas to change SW is OK.

He said, literally, "Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten." No exceptions. No "well if it's the author doing the rewriting then it's okay."

To put it more graphically:

Would it be okay for Michelangelo to come back to Florence, destroy the David sculpture with a sledgehammer and replace it with a 17-feet poster of David Beckham because he didn't have a proper model at the time and now Mr. Posh suits him much better?

I agree 100% with what Lucas (originally) said. Nobody has the right to rewrite the cultural legacy.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

What makes you think Qui-Gon knew the story of Anakin's origins, it seems to me the Jedi didn't really understand it either.

Yoda and the Council certainly didn't buy Qui-Gon's conjecture on Anakin being the Chosen One... and further, it is doubtful it would jive with the weapon they were making with the intent to destroy Anakin, Luke. Especially considering how very wrong OT Yoda and Obi-wan were regarding Anakin's lack of redeemability.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Grubert

He said, literally, "Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten." No exceptions. No "well if it's the author doing the rewriting then it's okay."

To put it more graphically:

Would it be okay for Michelangelo to come back to Florence, destroy the David sculpture with a sledgehammer and replace it with a 17-feet poster of David Beckham because he didn't have a proper model at the time and now Mr. Posh suits him much better?

I agree 100% with what Lucas (originally) said. Nobody has the right to rewrite the cultural legacy.

The proper owner of the sculpture has every right to do with it what they wish. Most of this classical art is owned by museums and the like with public clauses so isn't quite as germane to the discussion of Star Wars (even if you allow the pretension of putting the Star Wars movies on the same level as classic art as a "cultural legacy", which as much of a fan of the movies I am, I wouldn't seriously do).

Michaelangelo certainly would have crushed, or re-worked many works of art in his lifetime that he wasn't satisfied with while he still had the capability

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Uxi

The proper owner of the sculpture has every right to do with it what they wish.

Agreed! And, if the changes are something I don't agree with or like, I won't buy it...plain and simple.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Agreed! And, if the changes are something I don't agree with or like, I won't buy it...plain and simple.

Indeed!

[koontz1973]

Originally Posted by octagon

I'm not sure he's being misread at all (though that's obviously difficult to say without reading his entire testimony which I'd wager exactly none of us have done).

The issue here isn't simply who should or shouldn't be allowed to make changes to films. The 'gotcha' moment here, such that it is, is when he argues that the public has a *stake* in those changes.

How can the public have a stake in a film which has nearly all of the principal people involved in said film are still with us. I would agree that the public at large have a stake in national works of art, music, literature, and even some old films that have been elevated above the rest. The only people who have a *stake* in SW are the Directors, writers, producers.

Originally Posted by octagon

In this current debate preservationist appeals to film history, future generations, childhood memories and the like are routinely derided and dismissed with words to effect of 'stfu, they're HIS movies, HE can do whatever HE wants with them' and it's ironic to say the least to see that in the past Lucan himself has said 'welllll, it's not that simple...there is a public good to be considered here'.

How are the SW changes damaging the public. All it has done is give a few people who have more time on there hands and a internet connection a chance to debate said changes.

Originally Posted by octagon

You know what else is ironic?

He was testifying in subcommittee hearings about a bill that would have prohibited major alterations to a motion picture without the consent of the 'artistic authors' - ie the primary director and primary screenwriter.

Why is that ironic? If that bill had passed he might have needed permission slips to change Empire or Jedi

Lucas can easily argue that he was one, if not the primary artistic author to all of the SW films, OT and PT. Everything seen and heard in the following 5 films spawned out of the first one.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Would it be okay for Michelangelo to come back to Florence, destroy the David sculpture with a sledgehammer and replace it with a 17-feet poster of David Beckham because he didn't have a proper model at the time and now Mr. Posh suits him much better?

Um, no. It's not that simple (or drastic).

It would be more like Michelangelo (if he were still alive) coming back and giving the David sculpture a slightly bigger dong. Unless you're intimately familiar with the work, most people probably wouldn't notice or know the difference.

The same with the OT Star Wars trilogy. I am intimately familiar with the SW OT and the changes don't bother me (and some are more than welcome). It's ridiculous the hyperbole on how whatever changes made somehow radically changed the trilogy to something unrecognizeable.

[Duffy12]

Guys,

It's all right here.


"The National Film Registry is the registry of films selected by the United States National Film Preservation Board for preservation in the Library of Congress. It was established by the National Film Preservation Act of 1988, was reauthorized in 1992, 1996, and 2005 by acts of Congress. The mission of the Board is to preserve films that they deem culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant. The National Film Registry selects up to 25 films that meet this "criteria" each year."


And when Lucas TRIED to replace Star Wars with the SE, they told him to get lost.


http://www.filmpreservation.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry


How difficult is this to understand?

.

[Uxi]

How come Star Wars doesn't show up in NFPF's list of preserved films?