Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

For those that have watched Return of the Jedi and all (most) of the Special Features:
Has anyone seen the Scene that was supposed to be included here whether edited back in or as a Deleted Scene:
Luke building his Lightsaber.....
No site has listed it anywhere as being included in the set....

You might be disapointed with that scene. He, doesn't reallly build his lightsaber, he just uses a screwdriver to make a few LEDs blink then pushes up a sliding panel. The whole lightsaber is already constructed.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Oh I'm sorry, is that somehow a different question, just because you changed the phrasing ever-so-slightly?

I keep coming here because there are plenty more elements to discuss than DNR in The Phantom Menace in regards to this set. If this thread was called "Don't enter if you think The Phantom Menace has excessive DNR in it's transfer", then I would probably stop coming here.

Is that okay?

As to your first question, yes, it's entirely different. I can explain it to you in detail in a PM if you would like.

As to your second paragraph, you're the one talking about excessive DNR. If you find anything about the release appealing, I'd love to hear it.

As to your second question, of course it's okay, and I appreciate you asking.

I'm out to do some actual work today, but if you want to continue this discussion, please PM me. Otherwise, I will consider us best friends who happen to have different opinions.

[Shaft Windu]

I also think the DNR on the Phantom Menace is a bit much. It's a pity because the new Yoda is awesome! This is definetely not the last word on Episode One on Bluray. Maybe it gets a Re-release with the 3D-Disc... I can't really imagine this version hitting cinemas next year either...

[P@t_Mtl]

About a month ago now, most of rumors and screen shots and the new changes were all over this forum as well as the Internet. There was pages after pages of outrage from a small group who claim that this was the last straw and that they would not be purchasing this Blu-ray set. I would say, good for them since I also would not buy something I dislike so much. They were not happy with the apparent DNR on screen shots, the news changes, the lack of original cuts....So many wrongs that you can't blame them for not buying it.

Move a few weeks and the the Blu-ray is now on sale and a lot of those claiming they would not buy it, have gone out and got it! No problem there again, afterall anyone is allowed to change their minds, so they looked it over and figured, it's Star Wars and I can live with the defects. That is cool, I think it's a normal thing. Sometime people over react and after cooling down a bit they see that things are not as bad as they first imagine. I am sure some still did not go and buy this set as it's really not something they want, again great for them.

Now what I don't get is still complaining after buying it that you are not happy with it? I mean a month ago, you knew what the deal was and you knew you were not happy with it, so why did you go and buy it? Do not get me wrong, you have still the right to buy it, it's your money but frankly the logic behind it sort of escape me?

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Chordata

When Yoda confronts Palpy in ROTS, he says "emperor...or should I say, Darth Sidius."

How did he learn about Darth Sidius? I don't recall the name being mentioned in Jedi circles. Maybe Dooku mentioned it to Obi-Wan in AOTC.

Dooku told Obiwan in Ep 2. Obiwan told the council (at least Mace and Yoda) at the end of AOTC (right before Yoda says "Begun the Clone War has").

[Ryan0503]

I thought TPM looked really good on blu ... AOTC looked a bit weird, like it was pieced together from a bunch of different footage (and it was lol), I still enjoyed it though!!! Looking forward to finishing the rest!!!

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Chordata

As to your first question, yes, it's entirely different. I can explain it to you in detail in a PM if you would like.

As to your second paragraph, you're the one talking about excessive DNR. If you find anything about the release appealing, I'd love to hear it.

As to your second question, of course it's okay, and I appreciate you asking.

I'm out to do some actual work today, but if you want to continue this discussion, please PM me. Otherwise, I will consider us best friends who happen to have different opinions.

No need for a debate on semantics.

There is literally nothing about the release that's appealing. That's not to say that I vom in my mouth when I watch it, but it has nothing that stands out. It is entirely average, and for a Blu-ray it often looks as soft as a DVD.

If I was out to just crap on every element of the PT out of some vengeful spite, I couldn't say that I think AOTC is actually a pretty good transfer, largely devoid of the same awful scrubbing they subjected TPM to, and that ROTS is a great-looking disc all around.

I don't have an agenda, I'm telling you what I (and judging by most review sites, almost everyone else) see. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry if it rubs you wrong, but I don't think we should keep settling for "a little better than the DVD, probably" on every huge catalog release that we spend inordinate sums of money on for probably the 4th or 5th time, and I will continue voicing my opinion on that.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Yeah, all that is great.



My biggest beef isn't the stupid lines, 3PO has always had dumb stuff to whine about, it's the inconsistency that his head is apparently separately powered. He wasn't a talking head in TESB, for example... though I guess you could say that happens when you get blasted by a stormtrooper versus having a droid head simply knocked off by a blunt force.

Again, it's for the kids.
My daughter loves that part - it's her favorite part of the movie!
She is 8.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Do a quick look on evilbay for the "Star Wars laserdisc" or "Star Wars original DVD."

My point is sense of entitlement that people feel George Lucas personally owes them a video release in their favored cut out of a 'preservation' argument is absurd.

I find the idea of film preservation without easy public access to be absurd.

It's not like we are talking about some kind of historical artifact that there is only one of an need to be kept in controled conditions to preserve it (and even then at least these things are usually on display at a museum wher people can go to see it.... a copy of a film locked up somewhere where nobody can see it at all is pointless).

We are talking about film, a medium that is completely based around and dependant on mass replication and distrubution to even be seen and appreciated by the masses. As such, continued reasonable mass duplication and distribution should frankly be a significant part of film preservation.

You may disagree (and I know you do), but it just seems absurd to me otherwise.

And frankly if this sort of thing happened more often with many, many more movies (newer versions with updates, new special effects, etc, with no further releases of the original versions coming out), sooner or later many of those defending Lucas would start crying foul, and would quickly drop this stupid, "They don't owe you additional releases" arguement.

It's funny how it's always the people who tend to like the bulk of the changes who say this as well. While some do admit to not liking one or two minor things, typically those that defend Lucas are those who still prefer the updated versions over the originals. I don't think I've ever seen someone who signifcantly hates most of the changes, far prefers the original versions, but keeps standing up for Lucas's rights to do what he has been doing.

The point is that you guys act like you defend Lucas's rights purely on the basis of artistic rights and no other reason, but at least a bit part of the reality of the matter is in part that you guys are happy about many of the changes, so you are getting the versions that suit your "needs" and preferences. Don't act like the defending of Lucas that many of you do is completely selfless and based solely on you looking out for his rights and nothing further. If you were largely unhappy with the versions being released, most of your tunes would quickly change. And don't deny it... anyone who denies that is most likely lying.

Legally, it's not a gray area at all and profit has nothing to do with it.

Eh, whatever. I personally haven't downloaded any fan edits, but if other people are doing so, I don't care.

Besides, most people defending Lucas seem to be in favor of artistic rights and not so much legal rights. Now, Lucas happens to be both the creator of Star Wars (the the director of 4 out of the 6 movies), and he is also the owner of them. But more often than not, a studio owns the movies and not the filmmaker. And in most cases when it comes to movies, the studio owns the film, not the filmmaker. And unless there is some kind of contractual agreement that states otherwise, most of the time the studio can do whatever they like with the film later on if they so choose... release an extended edition or whatever, without the approval of the director.

In those cases, legally, the studio can do this. And likewise, if a filmmaker wants to change a movie after the fact, but the studio who owns it doesn't want to let them, then there's not much the filmmaker can do about it. And most people who are in favor of artists rights would cry foul under those circumstances, and feel that the artistic rights should trump legal rights.

If you are such a person, then don't hide behind the law in all other circumstances (such as with fan edits), but then be opposed to it in cases like artists rights. It's one thing for someone to be against fan edits based on principle (i.e. feeling that it infringes on artists rights), but to use the law as a basis for making your arguement in regards to them, while opposing the law when it comes to other circumstances like artistic rights, is completely hypocritical.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Nightowl2010

This is happening in AOTC, too. Ugh.

It is being speculated that these errors (both video and audio) are being caused by the 'THX Media Director' that is piggybacked on the digital data stream. Star Wars titles are the first Blu-rays with THX MD enabled.

If that's the case, exchanging the discs won't help. So far, it hasn't helped anyone else that is having audio and/or video issues. More discussion here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1361400

and here:

http://forum.bigpicturebigsound.com/...u-ray-set.html

Mark

[dookiex]

As an aside, I'm surprised that the THX Optimizer is apparently nowhere to be found on this set. One would think that if they put the THX Optimizer bit on anything, it would be this Star Wars set.

[ariakon]

Actually, Dynamo, I prefer the original cuts, but I defend Lucas's right to change the movies if he wishes. I'm an aspiring writer, and any work I create belongs to me. It is the right of my customers to be upset by any future changes I would make but in the end, it is my work, and if I wish to change it (perhaps even ruin it) I will fight for that right. Things are perhaps trickier for movies, which have producers and a whole host of actors and crew, but it does seem to mainly be Lucas's baby. Creators hold ultimate responsibility and culpability with their works, but they don't "owe" their audience anything. Their job is to influence you, to captivate you, but not to pander. Lucas has done some goofy things over the years, but that is a matter of poor judgement, not betrayal.

[El_Jay]

Well, sorry to open a can of worms I guess. I don't think The Phantom Menace looks as good as it should for a hugely anticipated 1999 film with a print in good shape. That's about it.

I guess the real take-away here, and the only favorable stance to take, is that I can't wait to see The Complete Star Wars Saga™ in glorious remastered 1080p High Definition and 6.1 DTS Master HD audio on September 16th!

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

About a month ago now, most of rumors and screen shots and the new changes were all over this forum as well as the Internet. There was pages after pages of outrage from a small group who claim that this was the last straw and that they would not be purchasing this Blu-ray set. I would say, good for them since I also would not buy something I dislike so much. They were not happy with the apparent DNR on screen shots, the news changes, the lack of original cuts....So many wrongs that you can't blame them for not buying it.

Move a few weeks and the the Blu-ray is now on sale and a lot of those claiming they would not buy it, have gone out and got it! No problem there again, afterall anyone is allowed to change their minds, so they looked it over and figured, it's Star Wars and I can live with the defects. That is cool, I think it's a normal thing. Sometime people over react and after cooling down a bit they see that things are not as bad as they first imagine. I am sure some still did not go and buy this set as it's really not something they want, again great for them.

Now what I don't get is still complaining after buying it that you are not happy with it? I mean a month ago, you knew what the deal was and you knew you were not happy with it, so why did you go and buy it? Do not get me wrong, you have still the right to buy it, it's your money but frankly the logic behind it sort of escape me?

This is the post that should literally close this thread.

[TheTimeTraveler-808]

Anyone have issues with bonus disk 3? The disk freezes 2 minutes into the star wars spoofs. my player is a Samsung BD-C6900 and its up to date. works on my PS3 though.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I also think the DNR on the Phantom Menace is a bit much. It's a pity because the new Yoda is awesome! This is definetely not the last word on Episode One on Bluray. Maybe it gets a Re-release with the 3D-Disc... I can't really imagine this version hitting cinemas next year either...

Thank you.

That's all I'm saying. Not out to slander the movies or even just that specific one. I just think that the PT should be a shining example of reference Blu across the board, and Sith is the only one that comes (very) close.

TPM's PQ is a missed opportunity.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Well, sorry to open a can of worms I guess. I don't think The Phantom Menace looks as good as it should for a hugely anticipated 1999 film with a print in good shape. That's about it.

I guess the real take-away here, and the only favorable stance to take, is that I can't wait to see The Complete Star Wars Saga™ in glorious remastered 1080p High Definition and 6.1 DTS Master HD audio on September 16th!

I'm wondering... are you using a projector or a screen larger than 42 inches? PM looks great to me on my 42" lcd, but I can see how blowing it up bigger than that might cause issues. I thought that even more so of AOTC watching it last nite. Looks great to me and I'm more than happy with it, but that might not be the case if I ever go larger than I actually have.

Also, did your second statement here really solve anything? I get your frustration, but there ARE plenty of reasonable people on this thread. Blanket opinions are, of course, never 100% true.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Thank you.

That's all I'm saying. Not out to slander the movies or even just that specific one. I just think that the PT should be a shining example of reference Blu across the board, and Sith is the only one that comes (very) close.

TPM's PQ is a missed opportunity.

I can't believe people aren't agreeing with you. I say it's an improvement over DVD but still nothing to write home about.

I might compare the other Blus to their respective DVDs. I'm sure there are improvements on Blu but I've been so focused on the bad I keep forgetting to look for the good. Detail looks great but I'm not sure how substantial the improvement is on the Blus - particularly the OT (although I could probably say that about all 6).

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

About a month ago now, most of rumors and screen shots and the new changes were all over this forum as well as the Internet. There was pages after pages of outrage from a small group who claim that this was the last straw and that they would not be purchasing this Blu-ray set. I would say, good for them since I also would not buy something I dislike so much. They were not happy with the apparent DNR on screen shots, the news changes, the lack of original cuts....So many wrongs that you can't blame them for not buying it.

Move a few weeks and the the Blu-ray is now on sale and a lot of those claiming they would not buy it, have gone out and got it! No problem there again, afterall anyone is allowed to change their minds, so they looked it over and figured, it's Star Wars and I can live with the defects. That is cool, I think it's a normal thing. Sometime people over react and after cooling down a bit they see that things are not as bad as they first imagine. I am sure some still did not go and buy this set as it's really not something they want, again great for them.

Now what I don't get is still complaining after buying it that you are not happy with it? I mean a month ago, you knew what the deal was and you knew you were not happy with it, so why did you go and buy it? Do not get me wrong, you have still the right to buy it, it's your money but frankly the logic behind it sort of escape me?

The world isn't black and white.

Buying something doesn't mean you have to love every single aspect of it unquestionably.

Conversely, disliking an aspect of something and wishing it were better does not mean you hate it, have an agenda, just moan for the sake of moaning.

It is entirely possible to love enough things about this box set to make the purchase and be happy with it (as I am) without being 100% satisfied with every single element within it.

In other words, you don't need to drink the Kool-Aid. You can have questions and concerns about things that you like, and wish that they were even better.

100% satisfied-------------------GRAY AREA--------------------100% dissatisfied

[ariakon]

Originally Posted by happydood

I'm wondering... are you using a projector or a screen larger than 42 inches? PM looks great to me on my 42" lcd, but I can see how blowing it up bigger than that might cause issues. I thought that even more so of AOTC watching it last nite. Looks great to me and I'm more than happy with it, but that might not be the case if I ever go larger than I actually have.

Also, did your second statement here really solve anything? I get your frustration, but there ARE plenty of reasonable people on this thread. Blanket opinions are, of course, never 100% true.

On my 1080p Mitsubishi projector, Episode 1 looked rather good. Then again, I may have had low expectations after hearing about how horrible it would look.