Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[HandyDandy]

The lightsaber shots in ROTJ that were fixed are amazing....Also to me it seemed like during each movie that there where alternate angles for certain scenes????

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

The lightsaber shots in ROTJ that were fixed are amazing....Also to me it seemed like during each movie that there where alternate angles for certain scenes????

It seems to me in the PT people actually knew how to use their lightsabers and even perfected fighting styles but in the OT they just banged away at each other until somebody won.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Again, he did a bang up job of letting go of his attachments. He just got more and more attached to Padme, even starts saying crazy stalker stuff about Padme in FRONT of Obi Wan in the elevator in ATOC. LOL

Never mind that how about in EP2 when they are alone at night at the retreat he really was in heat that time. And also when they where rolling around in the meadow remember what happened there he was probably really feeling it there as well.....

[sevb36]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

I agree....

Yes, you catch almost anyone in poses like that.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

It seems to me in the PT people actually knew how to use their lightsabers and even perfected fighting styles but in the OT they just banged away at each other until somebody won.

Well as far as Vader and Kenobi they had both withered away to nothing.
Vader was more machine and thus his fighting was hampered by his injuries.
Kenobi was old and probably a little bit senile from being in hiding during that 20yr time gap..

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

For a guy that said: "I had a dream I was a Jedi and I came back and freed all the slaves..." he sure did f that one up. So, he spent every minute of every day with Obi Wan? Creepy...lol

He didn't say when. Besides, you're just being jocular, but again, he would have never had a chance before AOTC. And even there he disobeyed Obi-Wan to do it. "I told him to remain on Naboo." And the Empire was on Tatooine in ANH, so maybe he did.

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by Breather

Thanks for the information, Moviefan.

I've heard the story about the boy who saw it 100 times too. He tells about it in his book. On that one, I think he was reacting the way a lot of people would, to tell you the truth. Most adults find it odd to go see a movie that much. They would probably worry that a child is becoming obsessive. I never saw the first film that many times theatrically when it came out(over 10 times though, lol) but even my parents thought I was getting carried away back then. I saw it with them, my aunt and uncle, sister, two cousins, friends, etc. Anyone I could catch a ride with.

I do agree that Guinness' stance on the mail sounded very rude. He couldn't be expected to answer every letter but if it's true that he just tossed them without really reading any of them, that sounds very petty and angry. I have no problem with him disliking Star Wars. He was a professional actor doing a job. He doesn't have to like it but as long as he does it well, that's fine. I think he got bitter being remembered mainly for Star Wars. I read that he claimed it was his idea to kill off Obi-Wan Kenobi because he couldn't stand the role and the dialogue. According to Lucas on the DVD commentary, it was Lucas' idea to kill off Kenobi and he made the decision while filming Star Wars, as Lucas said he was rewriting parts of the script as he was filming. He said Guinness didn't like the idea and had to be convinced. Somebody isn't telling the truth.

I remember reading a long time ago that it was his ex-wife who helped with a lot of key parts that Lucas was having problems with. I can't remember exactly where I read it, but I dug up the following link which is on the website for the book, The Secret History of Star Wars. The particular page on this site is titled, In Tribute To Marcia Lucas, which supports the Lucas idea to kill off Obi-Wan. It's an interesting read for sure.

The Secret History of Star Wars: In Tribute to Marcia Lucas

When Lucas was having difficulty coming up with ideas or ways of solving scenes and characters, he would talk about it with her; she even helped come up with killing off the mentor figure of Ben Kenobi when Lucas couldn't resolve the character in the last quarter of the film. Lucas says:

"I was rewriting, I was struggling with that plot problem when my wife suggested that I kill off Ben, which she thought was a pretty outrageous idea, and I said, 'Well, that is an interesting idea, and I had been thinking about it.' Her first idea was to have Threepio get shot, and I said impossible because I wanted to start and end the film with the robots, I wanted the film to really be about the robots and have the theme be the framework for the rest of the movie. But then the more I thought about Ben getting killed the more I liked the idea." [lvi]

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

They're talking about revenue, as far as I can tell, and the SW set cost $90.

If we're looking at this from a revenue perspective, then yes, I would concur, but the title on this website is misleading. The title on this site is "'Star Wars' Breaks Blu-ray Sales Records", which suggests to me that the Complete Saga established a new benchmark in units sold, which is not the case. The actual headline on Variey's website is "Blu-ray sales for 'Star Wars' top $84 million". Here's an excerpt from the first paragraph from Variety's article:

Consumers were willing to shell out top dollar for the complete "Star Wars" franchise, which bowed on Blu-ray this week, with the collection selling more than 1 million units to break records for the high-definition homevideo format.

Did it break a revenue record? Yes. Sales record? No. It might be in the top ten for first-day sales (without knowing the figure for Thor, we can only assume that the top first-day seller is still Avatar at 1.5 million units moved), but other than establishing a new mark for sales revenue, I'm not sure what other Blu-ray related records were broken.

Not really a fair comparison in any case, because they had different release dates and one is a box set.

It depends on whether someone uses these figures for bragging rights and/or lending credence to one's argument. Lucas chose the Friday release date voluntarily; whether that was a sound business decision is open for debate.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

They're talking about revenue, as far as I can tell, and the SW set cost $90.

Not really a fair comparison in any case, because they had different release dates and one is a box set.

I figured out where I went wrong. Mistook Thor's 2.5 mil worldwide as just the US total. My b. Not even sure if Thor was 2.5 mil. Anyway, saying Star Wars broke revenue records is sorta funny, they only charged 90 bucks for the set. At that price it better break revenue records for blu ray...lol

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

It depends on whether someone uses these figures for bragging rights and/or lending credence to one's argument. Lucas chose the Friday release date voluntarily; whether that was a sound business decision is open for debate.

Heh, in the first week they raked in 80+ million bucks. For catalog titles. In the middle of a recession. On a format with roughly twenty percent household penetration.

Whether The Creator™ can direct is open for debate. Whether he can write is open for debate. But sound business decisions?

Don't we kinda have to give him that one?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by octagon

Heh, in the first week they raked in 80+ million bucks. For catalog titles. In the middle of a recession. On a format with roughly twenty percent household penetration.

Whether The Creator™ can direct is open for debate. Whether he can write is open for debate. But sound business decisions?

Don't we kinda have to give him that one?

No doubt.

Doesn't hurt that the airwaves on every channel I've seen for weeks have had that excellent teaser. Just like a dozen select shots spliced together in time with the beat that show you things from both trilogies, and the "Own Every Moment" tagline.

Every commercial break I see it. Having that kind of marketing campaign does not hurt at all.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I think that number is even more disappointing when you consider that just over half of these (~515,000) were sold in N. America, and the worldwide market accounted for the remainder.

If Thor did indeed push ~2.5 million units during the same week that SW was released, why is SW receiving the credit for breaking Blu-ray sales records?

Notice the record says "catalog" title.......:roll eyes:

Anyway, if lucas/fox really wanted to maximize profits, they could have released two box sets over two weeks. One week, ESB, TPM and AoTC plus bonus discs, then week two RotS, ANH and RotJ with bonus discs. each set for $40 per set. That would have been the smart way to do it for maximum "penetration".

and when I say "penetration", I don't mean market......

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

It seems to me in the PT people actually knew how to use their lightsabers and even perfected fighting styles but in the OT they just banged away at each other until somebody won.

Have wondered the same thing myself!

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

Well as far as Vader and Kenobi they had both withered away to nothing.
Vader was more machine and thus his fighting was hampered by his injuries.
Kenobi was old and probably a little bit senile from being in hiding during that 20yr time gap..

I would accept that if I hadn't seen Palpatine, Dooku and Yoda rock n' roll with the lightsabres in the prequels. Palpatine's senile and old. Dooku's old like 70 or so. Yoda's what, 900?

[alexroubaix]

Got through most of the set and though the films sound absolutely mind-blowing, I was rather disappointed with the video quality as a whole.

TPM, as previously discussed, has a significant amount of DNR and Edge-Enhancement. AotC and Revenge of the Sith, though I can imagine are direct digital ports, suffer from poorly rendered and blocky color-grading, as well as ugly HD-camera noise, covered by a blanket of artificial grain (I am more forgiving since I can assume this is due to the limitations of the technology).

The OT also disappointed me. Though it looks better that it ever has, the re-scanning of previous, dated masters and adding composites for "changes" and such, has also added a huge amount of moving, artificial grain over the real grain of the print (Thus accounting for many instances of the real grain's murky frozen appearance). Sure it looks detailed, but it also looks digital-y, with a unnatural sharpness that just doesn't look right. Compared to Alien and Aliens (not Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection, whose transfers were obviously without any real restoration), Star Wars, visually pales in comparison.

[Ralph P.]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1361412

Ralph Pott's review.

Love that man's balanced views and I think his review may e one of the best I've read yet. Also, his review for Transformers is up on the home page - he gave it a perfect score, for anybody who finds perfect scores interesting.

Greetings,

Well thank you very much for reading Nathan..

Regards,

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Ralph P.

Greetings,

Well thank you very much for reading Nathan..

Regards,

Ralph! Good to see you on blu-ray.com. I wasn't aware you had an account.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

Ralph! Good to see you on blu-ray.com. I wasn't aware you had an account.

I'm more impressed that he managed to find your post in this complete cluster**** of a thread.

It is a well-written review, though.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I'm more impressed that he managed to find your post in this complete cluster**** of a thread.

It is a well-written review, though.

That's one way to describe the thread. I'd agree.

[JenM]

Originally Posted by Jay444

For a guy that said: "I had a dream I was a Jedi and I came back and freed all the slaves..." he sure did f that one up. So, he spent every minute of every day with Obi Wan? Creepy...lol

But in a way, he did keep his promise to his mother, which is that he would come back and free her. That's exactly what he did when he came for her when she'd been captured by the sandpeople.

It wasn't the way he wanted it, obviously, but because he ultimately came for her, she didn't die alone, and she told him she was finally complete because she got to see him again.

It wasn't that the stuff Anakin dreamed didn't come true, he just never fully understood them. He never even thought that the reason he saw Padme dying during childbirth would be because of what he had done to her. If he hadn't turned to the dark side, she would have likely survived.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by JenM

But in a way, he did keep his promise to his mother, which is that he would come back and free her. That's exactly what he did when he came for her when she'd been captured by the sandpeople.

It wasn't the way he wanted it, obviously, but because he ultimately came for her, she didn't die alone, and she told him she was finally complete because she got to see him again.

It wasn't that the stuff Anakin dreamed didn't come true, he just never fully understood them. He never even thought that the reason he saw Padme dying during childbirth would be because of what he had done to her. If he hadn't turned to the dark side, she would have likely survived.

And with a detour of more than 30 years, Anakins children finally killed Jabba The Hutt and thereby freed all the slaves!