Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

That's been updated.

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[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Jason520C

Finally saw ESB! I was a bit disappointed by most of the Hoth scenes's PQ, but the rest of the movie looked great! Sound was great as always.

One thing that I realized in the movie though...Vader knows that Luke's last name is Skywalker before Sidious tells him. We definitely know this by him saying that the Rebels were in Hoth, and something along the lines of "Skywalker is definitely with them."

Now Sidious goes by revealing Luke's relation to Vader by saying, "I have no doubt that this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." That makes sense to go by that, since Vader is no longer known as Anakin; he no longer sees himself as that, and Sidious DEFINITELY doesn't see him as that anymore.

So why would Vader be surprised when Sidious reveals the relation? I guess I can see why he would be surprised, since Sidious tells Vader that Padme's dead, obviously killing the 'child' she was carrying. But wouldn't Vader be suspicious that Luke's last name is Skywalker?

Some can say that there are other Skywalkers, much as there are other Smiths in our world...but Skywalker did not seem to be a common last name, as Shmi and Anakin were the only ones with it. It's not like the last name Antilles, which is practically the version of 'Smith' in Star Wars.

I wondered about this myself. I always thought that Luke being Darth Vader's son must be the worst kept secret in the Star Wars galaxy if he was indeed running around with the last name Skywalker.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Yeah, they are different. I should have mentioned that 3PO and R2 are droids and not peasants.
Why would anyone want to create a similar saga out of visual cues from our culture and come up with something resembles Star Wars? I suppose for unimaginative people that would be the way to go. But how about creating something original?



For being such a fan and understanding so much about the myth of Star Wars, you sure seem to need a lot of questions answered.


It's amazing how juvenile you can be.





If he stayed so true to the OT, why all the dialogue changes, why the need to change the OT to fit into what the PT is? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Or is that how most storytellers do their job?



No, Spielberg has common sense and logic, you should look into that.



Nitpick much? er wait...



I'm guessing you forget what you tell people because you contradict yourself quite a bit.

Wow. I'm flattered that you took the time to read all my old posts. To be interested in a scene where Obi-Wands braid is on the wrong side is not nitpicking. It's no big deal anyway... Lucas himself admitted on the Audio-commentary that he tricked himself on that scene. He initially wanted to flip the shot, so he put the braid on the wrong side - but in the end he didn't. Doesn't impare my viewing-pleasure. But thanks for caring!

As for the originality of Star Wars - well it speaks for itself and if you can't see it I honestly don't know how to make you.

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by dookiex

Even Valaqueen didn't come on here trying to instigate.

Dude, one 'e'

Originally Posted by Duffy12

That's been updated.

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[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I wondered about this myself. I always thought that Luke being Darth Vader's son must be the worst kept secret in the Star Wars galaxy if he was indeed running around with the last name Skywalker.

Yeah, you'd think Ben would have said something about it when they finally meet.

"And here's your dad's lightsaber (not gonna tell you how I got that), and let me explain this force thingie to you, oh and we need to go to Alderaan to help out this *ahem* woman of whom I no nothing about in regards to her parentage...oh, and yeah, about that last name..."

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

"Labyrinth" looks as terrible to me as "The Smurfs".

Labyrinth is just a magical film with tonnes of charm and charisma. A lot of CGI characters have none. It isn't even down to the technology (but it helps when they mix with realworld ones), it's all about characterization and dialogue. A bad character will stand out no matter what if they aren't well written fully rounded beings.

Lucas should have kept PIXAR or hired them to do the prequels CGI characters all their films have warmth and charm and we care what happens to them. Heck they can make a lamp a character....

Watto and Sebulba were pretty decent characters but they had simplistic goals to portray. Poor old Binks suffered because they tried to do to much too soon with him. It's almost like ILM said 'if he doen't work we better make him funny....' they didn't really achieve in Menace. He's okay in The Clone Wars series though.

[Shallow_]

Would love to have the one post that puts us past criterion thread, but expect that will happen while Im sleeping

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Would love to have the one post that puts us past criterion thread, but expect that will happen while Im sleeping

I used to belong to a forum about ten or tweleve years ago that could not handle threads much larger than 300 posts (it would crash the whole site). The mods would have to lock 'em up once they hit the big three and let the members continue the discussion in a new thread.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I wondered about this myself. I always thought that Luke being Darth Vader's son must be the worst kept secret in the Star Wars galaxy if he was indeed running around with the last name Skywalker.

No one outside of (Kenobi,Palpatine,Yoda) knew of Vader's real identity.
All of the bounty hunters and imperial troops knew him only as Vader.
In all likely hood by the time of TESB Vader may have had almost no memory of his former self..That is until his son helped him to remember the good person that he used to be.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by chip75

Labyrinth is just a magical film with tonnes of charm and charisma.

+1

Indeed. But the musical numbers have always made me cringe, and they really needed to cover up David Bowie's junk.

But the characters, sets, and pure craftsmanship that went into it are awesome.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by happydood

Of course he's a creator which is why he works in the field he does, but of necessity is in charge of his own business and is making those decisions. You can be both. You must be both if you're going to survive in this kind of business.

Trying to find fault with his business model or use of technology strikes me as misplaced venom towards disappointment with The Prequels and Special Editions. Forgive me, if that's not the case, but I don't necessarily agree that he's bitter and don't know how you can make that call. You may dislike The Prequels and you have every right, to, but these solemn pronouncements of how universally derided they are, so it's fact that they are bad is simply not the case straight across the board.

And I'm not asking for anybody to be politically correct or careful in their opinions at all, just that they be fully formed before they're expressed.

And I will also add that I have heard lots of things from people I knew at ILM and stories I have read - all second hand so I have no actual proof - but the general vibe on AOTC was one of "let's just get this done." The critical backlash apparently really stung Lucas and he became known for saying "it doesn't matter" or "this is SW logic, so it doesn't have to make total sense" or "that's good enough" a lot. This is what people I knew at ILM told me at the time. They kept warning me to manage my expectations for AOTC. I also read an article that came out a few months after TPM was released that supposedly quoted Lucas as being overheard at some party saying "I wish I had never decided to go back to Star Wars." I can't remember who he was talking to, but this wasn't just some gossipy article.

I can't see how the reaction to the PT couldn't have stung, no matter what he says. But then again I can't believe what he actually delivered. And his excuses! Crazy!

Bad writing? No, they are written to be like that. On purpose.

Bad acting? No, they are designed to be like old pulp movies. Bad acting is on purpose. That's the style I'm going for.

Main character not likeable? That's on purpose.

Loopholes? All of these types of movies have loopholes.

Something doesn't make sense? Well, these were always designed to be just kids movies.

And my favourite:

"These movies always get bad reviews." Uh, no George, actually the OT was pretty much well reviewed.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by The Doof

I can't see how the reaction to the PT couldn't have stung, no matter what he says.

I remember him terminating an interview and kicking Connie Chung and her crew out of Skywalker Ranch because she was being critical of Menace at the time of its release.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I wondered about this myself. I always thought that Luke being Darth Vader's son must be the worst kept secret in the Star Wars galaxy if he was indeed running around with the last name Skywalker.

Nothing makes sense anymore. I don't mind switching Emperors but why did he have to screw with the dialogue? I have tried to figure that scene out countless times and I can't. Before it seemed like the Emperor was letting Vader think the idea of turning had never occurred to him. it was great "Yessssss. Yes." Beautiful delivery. Now I don't know what the hell is going on there or who knows what.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

The dialogue that implies that Owen had more of a relationship with Anakin doesn't line up. And Bearu's comment about Luke having too much of his father in him (as if she's saying it in a positive light) doesn't match up either considering that the only time that they ever met Anakin was when he showed up angry looking for his mother, and left angry just after he slaughters a bunch of sand people when trying to rescue his mother, who dies in his arms. Not that his anger isn't justified to a certain extent, but the point is that it's not exactly like there was any kind of basis for a positive view of Anakin or and real relationship with Owen and Bearu at all.

I really don't necessarily want the dialogue changed since it would be another stupid change needing to be done with the OT to line up with the PT when the PT simply should have been made in a manner where it doesn't contradict the OT in the first place.

Well,

Think about it - Obiwan could have told her and Owen the Ani was killed (but never mentioned Ani is Vader) when he dropped off Luke. So Bearu may have just meant that Ani "lived" for adventure - the Hero of the Clone Wars and that Luke was the same way.

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I remember him terminating an interview and kicking Connie Chung and her crew out of Skywalker Ranch because she was being critical of Menace at the time of its release.

Lucas banned CNN from the premiere due to her interview.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Valaquen

Lucas banned CNN from the premiere due to her interview.

I wish he had banned me.

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Well,

Think about it - Obiwan could have told her and Owen the Ani was killed (but never mentioned Ani is Vader) when he dropped off Luke. So Bearu may have just meant that Ani "lived" for adventure - the Hero of the Clone Wars and that Luke was the same way.

Having watched Ep. III on Saturday, it was extremely weird watching that last scene (it was emotionally great anyway) since Obi-Wan doesn't tell them ANYTHING, he just delivers the baby and leaves. Again, beautiful last shot with them standing in front of the two suns.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by The Doof

I wish he had banned me.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Valaquen

Lucas banned CNN from the premiere due to her interview.

Man, it must have really stung indeed.

So why didn't he enlist help? I remember him hiring and then firing at least one writer on Clones. Why didn't he circle his wagons, pull in all his best filmaking friends, and say to them, "You gotta help me. I f---ed up."

Was it pride? Jealousy of the world he had created? I've heard Orson Scott Card say he considered letting others write about Ender and the universe Ender lives in, but he has since decided not to, admitting that he became jealous of the thought of someone else writing about his character.

And why didn't he take his time making part 2 and 3 then? Or...why even make them at all? Just announce to the world that you decided you only wanted to do the introduction of Anakin as a stand alone film, but let other writers and the imaginations of SW fans have fun filling in the rest. Why go introverted over the whole deal and just push blindly forward?

It sounds like he was just scared. He had spent too many years with people loving him and what he created, and when he bit off more than he could chew he got understandably afraid.

Man, what a sad state of affairs for everyone.
If true, it makes me want to go hug the dude and tell him I'm sorry for all the rotten things I ever said about him.

I'd still hate the prequels though.

[HylianBowcaster]

I think some people need to watch this...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...0/george-lucas