Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[toddly6666]

okay, the thread can be closed now. The Star Wars blu-rays came out already.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

finished Jedi. I noticed something I never encountered before. Since when Piett was demoted to captain again? When Vader promote him in Empire, he has captain insignia on his chest and when we see him after, he has admieal insignia, but in Jedi, he has captain insignia.

Maybe he was punished for allowing others to wear their insignias on the wrong side of their chests.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

You'd think that if your claim that so few adults liked Phantom Menace was true then episodes II and III would have been box office failures.

Lots of crap makes money. Just look at Twilight or Transformers. That can't be a gauge of anything other than bodies in a room. I saw all three films in the theater and disliked them all.

And I never trust 1/10 or 10/10 reviews when I read them. They are often fanboy love/hate or studios working for themselves and against their rivals.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

I found a ton of people who gave Phantom Menace an A+ at Yahoo Movies. There's a ton at IMDB who also gave it a 10/10, and from what I could see in my brief look at their reviews many of them said they prefer the PT.

Phantom Menace made almost a billion in just ticket sales alone.
Attack Of The Clones did very well too making 650 million in ticket sales out of a budget of 115 million, and Revenge Of The Sith managed $850 million in ticket sales and broke the single day box office record at that time.

You'd think that if your claim that so few adults liked Phantom Menace was true then episodes II and III would have been box office failures.

I hated TPM. I still saw it four times. No, I can't explain it either. Some kind of masochistic disbelief. And again, if you actually read what I said, I'm not talking about anyone who liked the PT. I was referring to the people who didn't, and to why they didn't. The twelve adults who liked it thing - that was a bit of an exaggeration. I'm sure almost fifty people truly loved it.

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Ah, sorry. I thought you were saying there is only one copy of the film on um, film.

Also, the best quality of the actual film is usually going to be from the originals. When they strike copies from the originals, the copies are then used vigorously to strike additional theatrical prints. Needless to say, the first copies as well as the theatrical prints are usually if not always in terrible shape. They are after all not meant for archival purposes. So for a true restoration of a film, usually the best way to go is to use whatever of the original straight out of the camera film you can find. Then you fill in the damaged parts with the copies that were struck from it but the bulk of the film is going to be from the original print. For a film like Star Wars, I would not be surprised at all that the original prints are worn down to a horrendous state and thus a true restoration would be extremely time intensive and costly. Think about it, it's a film that came out in the 70's and it was a HUGE film, they must've abused the original print to no end. Also at the time, nobody had ANY idea that there would be a HD video market so nobody ever thought about preserving and archiving the original prints. We're lucky that we have a HD version of the original Star Wars at all in HD really. We're also lucky that we have The Godfather in HD because you can tell that the original print is in a sad sad sad state of affairs since the studio abused the heck out of that original print AND film stock back then were not anywhere near as durable as the film stock that came much later.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by The Doof

I hated TPM. I still saw it four times. No, I can't explain it either. Some kind of masochistic disbelief. And again, if you actually read what I said, I'm not talking about anyone who liked the PT. I was referring to the people who didn't, and to why they didn't.

Really?

[LetoAtreides82]

For those wanting the music of Star Wars this will probably be a good deal for you:
Music from the six films, totaling almost an hour, just $9.99 :
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Musi...56826&sr=301-3

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

For those wanting the music of Star Wars this will probably be a good deal for you:
Music from the six films, totaling almost an hour, just $9.99 :
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Musi...56826&sr=301-3

What? You mean that there was something other than the main theme?!? :P

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by The Doof

I hated TPM. I still saw it four times. No, I can't explain it either. Some kind of masochistic disbelief. And again, if you actually read what I said, I'm not talking about anyone who liked the PT. I was referring to the people who didn't, and to why they didn't.

You saw it 4 times at the theaters probably because of the Qui-Gon Jinn + Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul duel and the pod racing scene, two of the best scenes in the saga in my opinion.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by dookiex

What? You mean that there was something other than the main theme?!? :P

Um yeah, the DJ Shadow version of Jedi Rocks.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Really?

I saw Menace twice. I was in big-time denial at the time.

Clones sealed the deal for me though. There was no going back at that point--I hated this new SW crap.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by dookiex

Also, the best quality of the actual film is usually going to be from the originals. When they strike copies from the originals, the copies are then used vigorously to strike additional theatrical prints. Needless to say, the first copies as well as the theatrical prints are usually if not always in terrible shape. They are after all not meant for archival purposes. So for a true restoration of a film, usually the best way to go is to use whatever of the original straight out of the camera film you can find. Then you fill in the damaged parts with the copies that were struck from it but the bulk of the film is going to be from the original print. For a film like Star Wars, I would not be surprised at all that the original prints are worn down to a horrendous state and thus a true restoration would be extremely time intensive and costly. Think about it, it's a film that came out in the 70's and it was a HUGE film, they must've abused the original print to no end. Also at the time, nobody had ANY idea that there would be a HD video market so nobody ever thought about preserving and archiving the original prints. We're lucky that we have a HD version of the original Star Wars at all in HD really. We're also lucky that we have The Godfather in HD because you can tell that the original print is in a sad sad sad state of affairs since the studio abused the heck out of that original print AND film stock back then were not anywhere near as durable as the film stock that came much later.

That is more than just a bit of hyperbole. Studios always take measures to protect their investments, and hi grade elements that are just fine for HD upgrading exist for that reason. Again, Lucas' claims about the negatives (and his use of that word) is simply a red herring to distract from archival material that is there to do the job.

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by popeflick

That is more than just a bit of hyperbole. Studios always take measures to protect their investments, and hi grade elements that are just fine for HD upgrading exist for that reason. Again, Lucas' claims about the negatives (and his use of that word) is simply a red herring to distract from archival material that is there to do the job.

That is NOT hyperbole. Watch the featurette on the Coppola Restoration Godfather set. I also deal with corporate records (a lot of physical records), trust me, NOBODY ever thinks about archiving ANYTHING and I don't care what kind of industry you're in. I believe Coppola himself explained the situation. Basically to sum it up, nobody foresaw HD + there was no trend in the industry for archiving original prints + the film stock at the time was not all that great and usually thin and fragile.

[mtrouth]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I will try and check it out when I get home.

I appreciate it!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

You'd think that if your claim that so few adults liked Phantom Menace was true then episodes II and III would have been box office failures.

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the so-called haters.

I didn't want The Phantom Menace to suck. I wanted it to be great. In retrospect I would have settled for good.

And the fact that it was not good didn't keep me from hoping that Clones or Sith would be better. Which on balance they were.

Buying tickets for II and III is hardly an endorsement of I.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by popeflick

That is more than just a bit of hyperbole. Studios always take measures to protect their investments, and hi grade elements that are just fine for HD upgrading exist for that reason.

You really haven't been paying attention to the state of film restoration lately, have you? The negative for The Godfather was literally crumbling away from decay until Steven Spielberg intervened on behalf of Coppola and begged the studio to allow the negative to be restored. It was only because of this that we have a good-looking HD transfer for both the original movie and its 1974 sequel.

Fact is, most modern-day movie executives really don't care a lot about film restoration. WHV has done a bit better than most, and occasionally Sony does also; Disney takes care of its animated classics because they're a cash cow. Other than that, most of the studios really couldn't care less.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by dookiex

Also, the best quality of the actual film is usually going to be from the originals. When they strike copies from the originals, the copies are then used vigorously to strike additional theatrical prints. Needless to say, the first copies as well as the theatrical prints are usually if not always in terrible shape. They are after all not meant for archival purposes. So for a true restoration of a film, usually the best way to go is to use whatever of the original straight out of the camera film you can find. Then you fill in the damaged parts with the copies that were struck from it but the bulk of the film is going to be from the original print. For a film like Star Wars, I would not be surprised at all that the original prints are worn down to a horrendous state and thus a true restoration would be extremely time intensive and costly. Think about it, it's a film that came out in the 70's and it was a HUGE film, they must've abused the original print to no end. Also at the time, nobody had ANY idea that there would be a HD video market so nobody ever thought about preserving and archiving the original prints. We're lucky that we have a HD version of the original Star Wars at all in HD really. We're also lucky that we have The Godfather in HD because you can tell that the original print is in a sad sad sad state of affairs since the studio abused the heck out of that original print AND film stock back then were not anywhere near as durable as the film stock that came much later.

You should read the extensive article on the SW restoration. secrethistoryofstarwars.com I think.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Uxi

I laugh at myself now and then. At you, all the time, though.

Yeah, I can understand laughing at me. Some people find logic and reasoning to be abosultely hilarious.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The Special Edition IS the restored OT btw!!!

Ummm... no. To "restore" something is to bring it back to it's original state, or as close to the original state as possible. Deliberately adding things to it that weren't there originally defeats the entire purpose and definition of the word.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I don't like this demand of some outdated version of these movies that is accompanied by hating the prequels - that's all!

Which is stupid. You've created this pointless, stupid rule where the only people who can even remotely, reasonably request the UOT are those who like the PT. That's like saying the only people who should be able to order a regular cheeseburger as McDonald's are those who also like Big Macs, and that anyone who hates Big Macs shouldn't be allowed to order from the menu at all.

Just because some people don't like every entry on the "menu" of films that Lucas has offered doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to request the ones that they do like.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

You saw it 4 times at the theaters probably because of the Qui-Gon Jinn + Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul duel and the pod racing scene, two of the best scenes in the saga in my opinion.

Almost good scenes imo. There's still lots of stuff that bugs me, even in those scenes.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by dookiex

That is NOT hyperbole. Watch the featurette on the Coppola Restoration Godfather set. I also deal with corporate records (a lot of physical records), trust me, NOBODY ever thinks about archiving ANYTHING and I don't care what kind of industry you're in. I believe Coppola himself explained the situation. Basically to sum it up, nobody foresaw HD + there was no trend in the industry for archiving original prints + the film stock at the time was not all that great and usually thin and fragile.

Nobody? I think you have zero idea of what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_preservation

Watch For All Mankind and see how NASA archived their rocket test footage, launch footage, and space footage.