Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

I get sick of reading about how something sucks, like these guys are great and awesome film makers. I just hate these armchair internet complainers. Everything sucks and they are never happy with anything... Come on.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

I get the feeling that even if they did everything you guys wanted for the poster, you'd still find something to complain about. Some people will never, ever be satisfied.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

Get over it. Seriously.

Dude, get off your cross. Just because you're a PT-fanboy doesn't mean that criticism of the PT "films" are a direct attack on your self-worth...

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

Some people will never, ever be satisfied.

But doesn't that just speak about the human condition, in general? I'm not sure that I'll ever be completely satisfied. I hope so, but I doubt it. But that's okay.

At least we all have Star Wars to argue about.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by svenge

Dude, get off your cross. Just because you're a PT-fanboy doesn't mean that criticism of the PT "films" are a direct attack on your self-worth...

seriously. Because people find fault with the PT, they don't like ANYTHING? Waaaahhh, leave my Gungans alooooooone, waaaaaah

[georgec]

Originally Posted by MCT

seriously. Because people find fault with the PT, they don't like ANYTHING? Waaaahhh, leave my Gungans alooooooone, waaaaaah

+1 to you and svenge.

I'll get flamed for this but I liken the responses to PT criticism to that of a child putting his fingers in his ears and screaming, "LALALALALALA!!!!"

Some people don't want to come to terms with opinions other than their own so they cast them off as being from people who don't like anything, are haterzzz, don't appreciate SW, etc. Classic defense mechanism.

[wildhoney66]

well i think "PM" is a decent film. it's got it's flaws of course. but it also dragged on as well. so in short it's good in some parts & drags in others. than

the battle at the end it picks up again. & at a certain point i found myself getting used to "Jar Jar Binks" i have bought the complete saga. a couple weeks ago i watched the 1st episode for the 1st time since i saw it in the theatre in (1999) so i really didn't remember a whole hell of a lot of it. to be honest

& i've also watched "Attack of the clones" a film that i didn't like for a long time. but than being able to see it widescreen & being able to watch these films back to back. i found myself actually liking it more than i originally did. which i think is a plus.

i have yet to watch any of the other films though. who knows maybe this weekend i'll watch episode #3? anyways, as for the original films

i haven't seen the updated versions yet so i can't say i hate those. but "Jedi" for me is the weakest one. that one also has good things going for it & bad things as well. that one for me has the film just drag on at some point.

just like 'PM" does. neither films are terrible by any means. but they just aren't the best ones that's all. anyways, i do have a question though.

i don't have any of these films on dvd. i just never got around to buying them.
1stly, am i right to believe that the original versions are on dvd if my memory serves me right? & with the blu-ray set. the 9 disc version i mean.

is it true that that has deleted scens on it that the dvd releases don't? & the dvd releases have shit on them meaning deleted scenes that the blu-ray versions don't? in short do those sets meaning the whole series on dvd

not the (2011) editions to my best of knowledege. sorry i may be wording this a bit wrong. but do i have to buy those, all 6 of them to have the deleted scenes on those, that aren't on the new set? i hope that came out right.

as for the new set. they all look & sound great at least ones i've watched so far. one more thing that i find interesting,

in the "October" issue of 'Playstation" Magazine sorry for my spelling here too.

they show the calender for whatever holiday or releases come out. & it shows "Star Wars" set with a different cover actually.

which shows the cover as bluck i believe as in space. & some i think cruisers in i think the corner of the well the top right or left hand corner i forget of the cover. & it than says "Star Wars"

i wonder if the sets outside the US have alternate covers? do they? of if they changed the cover at the last minute?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

He was a 10 year old kid in outer space for the first time in his life in the middle of a huge battle that was bigger than anything he'd ever seen in his life. What do you expect from him?

You want him to force choke someone at 10?

He was snatched from everything he'd ever known. He was exactly who he was supposed to be. You can't expect him to be an evil presence when he never was that. He wasn't the Dark Lord of the Sith then, he was a 10 year old kid, and that is the point of the whole movie. He wasn't meant to be anything but a 10 year old kid and sometimes a 10 year old kid will say Yippie!

Get over it. Seriously.

We needed two and half hours to establish that Darth Vader wasn't always Darth Vader?

Really???

If the point of the whole movie was simply that Darth Vader was a kid once too then the movie had no point. I wouldn't have had any quarrel with picking up Anakin's story when he was ten if the ten year old Ani had been at all interesting but he wasn't.

Sorry.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by wildhoney66

Am I right to believe that the original versions are on DVD if my memory serves me right?

Unrestored laserdisc masters of the OT's theatrical versions were included as bonus material on the 2006 "Limited Edition" DVDs. Within a very short time frame, fans started bickering, even after sending so many years demanding unaltered versions, which is exactly what they got.

...and with the Blu-Ray set; the 9 disc version I mean.

The Blu-Ray release does not contain the theatrical versions of the OT. They are, in essence, further enhanced versions of the 2004 cuts. A lot of issues have been fixed, while select others still remain (a few lightsaber inconsistencies, and visible matte boxes around TIE fighters).

Is it true that [the Blu-Ray release] has deleted scenes on it, that the DVD releases don't?

Yes, more deleted scenes are included. However, some of them have not been completed.

[Moviefan2k4]

Anyways, I just finished watching "Empire", and for the most part, I'm pleased with it. However, similar to "A New Hope", there are some things I'm really surprised weren't fixed. Many of the saber shots for both Luke and Vader on Bespin have been corrected, but there's still a handful where the white cores are still missing. Also, some matte boxes are noticeable near the end, when the Falcon is being pursued by TIE fighters during the escape from Cloud City. Whoever was responsible for the visual effects should've paid more attention. The film is still a very nice upgrade from the DVD, but Lucas & Co. should've gone all-out with the repairs. I'll be watching "Jedi" after I get some sleep; I'll write my report about it afterward.

[wildhoney66]

i think there are scenes on i believe "Attack Of the clones" the original release let me add that i don't think are on the new box set. or am i wrong on this? are all the dvd's like that?

sorry i am trying to word this right. but it just feels like i'm asking it wrong. that's all. as for the current new big box i did notice some of them weren't finished. you would think that he would have finished them! it's NOT like he does'nt have the money for it. ya know?

i just want to have as many deleted scenes that have well been released so far anyways. i'm shocked he didn't do extended cuts. but give him time i guess. he he. & yes i realize that the original films are a few minutes longer. but i'm not talking about 3 or 4 minutes longer.

anyways as for "Lucas" doing a story where we see "Darth Vadar" as a boy.
my guess is one of the reasons that story was done is to show how he 1st met "Luke & Leia's" mom. & to show how the jedi used to be. & what led to the clone war slowly anyways. i'm not a die hard fan of "Star Wars" so i don't remember the storyline or characters as well as most people who love the series


so forgive me if i sound like i have no idea what i'm talking about.

[Jacobss]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Unrestored laserdisc masters of the OT's theatrical versions were included as bonus material on the 2006 "Limited Edition" DVDs. Within a very short time frame, fans started bickering, even after sending so many years demanding unaltered versions, which is exactly what they got

No, it is not.

Please, stop it. Laserdisc from 1993 on DVD in 2006 from a company, which once cared about quality? This is what the fans wanted? No. Would you be happy, if you would get upscaled DVD version of SE on Blu-ray Disc with compressed sound? They didn't even transfer the PCM track from Laserdisc on DVD. They used just heavily compressed DS 2.0

But we are talking here about company, which can't even get SE right...
The funny thing about quality of OUT is, that it is still possible for it to look better than SE. The 2004 and 2011 versions of OT are stuck in 1080p resolution (1997 on 2k) , when with OUT you can still get 4k scans.

[Moviefan2k4]

Truth be told, the majority of purists clamoring for "unaltered" versions don't realize what they're asking for, in the strictest sense. If Lucas were to release a truly unaltered version of the OT, it would be grainy, dirty, color-drained, and the sound would be seriously degraded. That's what "unaltered" means: not changed.

That's why I think a new term really needs to be invented, or maybe even have folks describe what they want in detail...but that would require contemplation, rational thinking, and overall objectivity, all three of which are sorely lacking in much of the "purist" community. If people want cleaned, restored, and updated video or audio for the theatrical OT films, that's fine; more power to ya. But don't stand around, constantly saying you want them "unaltered". Those who use that term are basically hanging themselves with it.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Truth be told, the majority of purists clamoring for "unaltered" versions don't realize what they're asking for, in the strictest sense. If Lucas were to release a truly unaltered version of the OT, it would be grainy, dirty, color-drained, and the sound would be seriously degraded. That's what "unaltered" means: not changed.

You know, you're absolutely right. I don't want reels and reels of film. I do want the OT changed.

Good catch.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by MCT

this is my last hope that something SW related bombs and Georgie Boy has to face reality and hand over the reins to someone who genuinely still loves SW, not just for the profit it brings.

If the Phallic Menace can still rake in untold millions, there is no hope. It's going to be 13 years, most of us with discerning taste know how bad this movie was so there's no excuse for it to succeed at the BO. Fingers crossed.

Upscaled 2D to 3D movies are a waste of everyone's time. GL should have jumped on the bandwagon a year ago when the iron was hot, or film some new movies in 3D if he's serious about it.

I love The Empire Strikes Back, but I can't imagine seeing it in 3D would do anything special for me.

[Schloob]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

He was a 10 year old kid in outer space for the first time in his life in the middle of a huge battle that was bigger than anything he'd ever seen in his life. What do you expect from him?

You want him to force choke someone at 10?

He was snatched from everything he'd ever known. He was exactly who he was supposed to be. You can't expect him to be an evil presence when he never was that. He wasn't the Dark Lord of the Sith then, he was a 10 year old kid, and that is the point of the whole movie. He wasn't meant to be anything but a 10 year old kid and sometimes a 10 year old kid will say Yippie!

Get over it. Seriously.

Personally I would have expected the same kid who won the pod race. I do not recall 1 moment of "silliness" from him during that race. There did not seem to be any "luck" involved.

Instead I get "Yipeee!" and "Let's try this, a spin usually does the trick" or whatever he said to that extent. Anakin in the pod race proved he could be very serious and the force was strong with him. But instead of seeing the force being strong with him in the final battle he appeared to be "lucky" by just trying different things and plain acting silly. You might as well have just switched Jar Jar and him in the 2 battles they were in at the end of the movie because their parts seemed interchangeable during that sequence

[Ryan0503]

So switching subjects here ... I wish that the "spoofs" documentry would have included George Lucas in Love. That thing was hilarious!!!! It came out around the same time as TPM and outsold TPM on Amazon (I think it was amazon)!!! Wouldn't mind having that in my blu collection lol

[Sephiroth5929]

Originally Posted by svenge

Dude, get off your cross. Just because you're a PT-fanboy doesn't mean that criticism of the PT "films" are a direct attack on your self-worth...

Who said anything about my self worth?

PT bashing is as old as sliced bread. We get it, you hate the PT. Cool. It hasn't been 2 million times already, but yeah add more to fuel to the fire.

The in thing is to bash the PT and it's tiresome, come up with something new.

I don't take it as a direct attack on me, but I'm one of the few that actually enjoys the PT and appreciate it for what it is.

[Sephiroth5929]

Originally Posted by Schloob

Personally I would have expected the same kid who won the pod race. I do not recall 1 moment of "silliness" from him during that race. There did not seem to be any "luck" involved.

Instead I get "Yipeee!" and "Let's try this, a spin usually does the trick" or whatever he said to that extent. Anakin in the pod race proved he could be very serious and the force was strong with him. But instead of seeing the force being strong with him in the final battle he appeared to be "lucky" by just trying different things and plain acting silly. You might as well have just switched Jar Jar and him in the 2 battles they were in at the end of the movie because their parts seemed interchangeable during that sequence

I don't think PM isn't without it's flaws, I never said that.

But a 10 year old kid is going to be serious about some things and not so serious about others. I had a 10 year old kid and I'm about to in another year.

I can see how he can be one way one minute and completely opposite of that the next. Kids are like that. You were one once, you should know. Anakin was not a complete badass as a 10 year old. In the Pod race, he was racing for his freedom and his mother's freedom (as he thought it at the time), so you can expect some seriousness because this is what he knew at the time, podracing. That was his life up until that point.

In the final sequence, he was out of his element and in a fighter he had no business piloting and trying to figure things out while not getting killed in the process. Maybe they could've toned down the silliness (as you put it), but I feel it would take away from his character. Anakin was an emotional kid with allof his emotions. That's what made him dangerous and Jedi Council knew it.

Granted the last battle scene wasn't perfect, but it was that bad either.

[bttfiii]

Han can you reach my light saber ?

Can't use the force?

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

I don't take it as a direct attack on me, but I'm one of the few that actually enjoys the PT and appreciate it for what it is.

You mean three feature-length commercials for action figures and playsets?

When you think about it, Star Wars' development over time in some ways is the Bizarro-world version of the Transformers franchise. The G1 Transformers TV show was originally made expressly to sell toys and subsequently grew into a successful film franchise 20 years later. Star Wars was originally a popular film franchise that subsequently devolved 20 years later into a vehicle made largely to sell toys and other licensed merchandise. While the PT is still better than the Transformers films, the inverse parallels are striking.

The sad thing is that if 20th Century Fox had ever promised Lucas proper pre-premiere marketing before the debut of ANH, Lucas would have never needed to buy back the merchandising rights, which perhaps would have resulted in things like Ewoks and Gungans never being created. Perhaps the Prequels would still have been made, but plot and dialog might have actually been emphasized.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by RudyC

PM is coming out in 3d?

wow maybe now it will actually be watchable..

The Phantom Menace, now with actual depth .

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Truth be told, the majority of purists clamoring for "unaltered" versions don't realize what they're asking for, in the strictest sense. If Lucas were to release a truly unaltered version of the OT, it would be grainy, dirty, color-drained, and the sound would be seriously degraded. That's what "unaltered" means: not changed.

That's why I think a new term really needs to be invented, or maybe even have folks describe what they want in detail...but that would require contemplation, rational thinking, and overall objectivity, all three of which are sorely lacking in much of the "purist" community. If people want cleaned, restored, and updated video or audio for the theatrical OT films, that's fine; more power to ya. But don't stand around, constantly saying you want them "unaltered". Those who use that term are basically hanging themselves with it.

So what term should we use then? The "pre-altered trilogy"? We want the trilogy before it was altered by George Lucas in 1997, so calling it "unaltered" makes sense to me (you said yourself that unaltered means not changed). We're talking about the movies, not the state the film is in. Bringing something back to its original state isn't called altering it, but restoring. There's a difference.