Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Gold Ranger]

Where has Beast been?
I wanna know his opinion of the 3D Phantom Menace and how the BluRay/'04 DVD masters look up on the cinema screen.
Well, his and everybody else's...

[insomniac013]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

They sure did - and thats why hardly anyone has seen or even remembers the film. It also came out at a time when people had been worn down from too many sword and sandal based epics. Bad timing + Terrible theatrical version = failure.

Its a sin too because the EE version of KOH is one of Ridleys BEST efforts and I mean that. Its unfortunate that lots of people wont give it another chance though, you are right. They got burned already and wont risk it. Their loss.

I completely agree! When i watched Kingdom of Heaven in theaters (yeah i did it) i thought it was disjointed, dull and i just didn't care about what was going on. Sure it looked nice and the music is great, but beyond that it was pretty disappointing.

Now, the Director's Cut is an amazing film and the version that everyone should've seen! All the characters and subplots are fleshed out more and it just has an *epic* feel that the Theatrical Cut lacked... Come to think of it, KoH never got a full-fleshed "Special Edition" on Blu Ray - Get on it FOX!

This was one movie that got butchered during editing - Which is apparently the complete opposite of the first Star Wars film! (stayin on-topic )

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

Where has Beast been?
I wanna know his opinion of the 3D Phantom Menace and how the BluRay/'04 DVD masters look up on the cinema screen.
Well, his and everybody else's...

Been wondering where he was as well. Seem he as not been around for three weeks now or maybe he is only lurking and not posting

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Been wondering where he was as well. Seem he as not been around for three weeks now or maybe he is only lurking and not posting

He's probably been going to TPM 3D showings non-stop and using the downtime when his local theatre is closed to sleep/work.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

I watched Attack of the Clones on blu-ray last night. It was the first time I've watched the movie since the dvd came out, I think, and wow! The picture looks great, the movie itself is just BAD. A lot of the dialogue was just painful to listen to. Some made me cringe, some made me literally laugh out loud. I honestly think The Phantom Menace is better. I didn't remember it being so bad. I knew Hayden's acting was terrible, but when you have good actors like Ewan MacGregor, Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, etc. and they're terrible too, you know it's the writing as well. I think they did the best with what they had, and were only ok, but Hayden Christiansen is just UNBEARABLE as Anakin, from his first line in the elevator with Obi-Wan. "You fell into that nightmare, master, and I got you out." PUKE. I've seen better acting on soap operas. The only redeeming thing about Clones is the battle at the end.

Well, there's a good reason Hayden is the only actor ever to win two Golden Raspberries for the same role (he won worst actor for Ep II and then again for Ep III.) It was one of the most consistently cringe-worthy acting performances, ever.

I think most people watched them the first time with rose-tinted glasses, wanting so desperately to love them because they're "Star Wars" films and the brand is beloved. They're just.. not very good movies, at all.

[Howdy]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Well, there's a good reason Hayden is the only actor ever to win two Golden Raspberries for the same role (he won worst actor for Ep II and then again for Ep III.) It was one of the most consistently cringe-worthy acting performances, ever.

I think most people watched them the first time with rose-tinted glasses, wanting so desperately to love them because they're "Star Wars" films and the brand is beloved. They're just.. not very good movies, at all.

They're better than good! They're frakkin' awesome

In all honesty, I'd much rather watch the prequel trilogy than watch the turds that hollywood tries to pass off for best picture year in and year out.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Been wondering where he was as well. Seem he as not been around for three weeks now or maybe he is only lurking and not posting

I think he's been on the road constantly watching TPM 3D in theatres trying to boost it's box office numbers!

Anyway, we must all miss him. Arguments are no fun when everyone agrees with each other....

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Just a heads up, this dude is a spam bot. .

Thanks Stinky- Dinkins

I took care of it

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

Where has Beast been?
I wanna know his opinion of the 3D Phantom Menace and how the BluRay/'04 DVD masters look up on the cinema screen.
Well, his and everybody else's...

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

He's probably been going to TPM 3D showings non-stop and using the downtime when his local theatre is closed to sleep/work.

Does ecstasy induced coma come to mind?

[Show spoiler]

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[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Well, there's a good reason Hayden is the only actor ever to win two Golden Raspberries for the same role (he won worst actor for Ep II and then again for Ep III.) It was one of the most consistently cringe-worthy acting performances, ever.

I think most people watched them the first time with rose-tinted glasses, wanting so desperately to love them because they're "Star Wars" films and the brand is beloved. They're just.. not very good movies, at all.

I saw him in Jumper and thought his acting was on par or worse than in Star Wars. The dude is so terrified/unable to show any emotion his default mode is wooden (and no, the ROTS crocodile tears don't count).

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

Where has Beast been?
I wanna know his opinion of the 3D Phantom Menace and how the BluRay/'04 DVD masters look up on the cinema screen.
Well, his and everybody else's...

Hmmm, I wonder? Far be it for me to go out on a limb with this, but I have a sneaky suspicion that they will be the cinematic event of his life.

Star Wars will never have looked so good and the transfers into 3D will make Avatar, Hugo and Tron Legacy look like Jaws 3

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by octagon

me? I don't think it's even close.

+1

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by octagon

No, he really didn't. They were several drafts into Empire before Anakin and Darth Vader became the same character and even that wasn't carved into stone until Jedi. When he made the OT he had a general outline and some specific fragments (Anakin dying in molten lava, a city covering an entire planet, etc) but that was about it.

I think he had a pretty good idea, generally speaking, where he might want to go with the story - but it all depended largely on whether or not the first movie was a hit or a box office bomb. So there may be some difference in recollections about just how much he really had jotted down in his famous yellow legal pad by 1976 or so, but the point I'm trying to get across is that the general outlines of how the story might play out (again, depending on whether he got to even make more than one movie) were mostly in his head already, from what I have read.

Originally Posted by octagon

But even if we were to accept this notion that he had the entire saga mapped out from the start that doesn't really tell us too terribly much about whether the guy that wrote and directed American Grafitti was a better writer or director than the guy who wrote and directed the fireplace scene in Clones.

Me? I don't think it's even close.

Again, not mapped out in detail. As for "American Graffitti", I believe he generally has claimed credit for the story, but given all or much of the credit for the actual screenplay to Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck. I believe that's in one of the commentaries or the bonus features for the AG blu-ray.

And while I respect that you don't think it's even close... the fact remains his accomplishments with the SW saga, as measured both in popularity, pop culture influence, and also merchandising profits, completely dwarfs the success of "American Graffitti". I mean, that 1973 movie was definitely very, very profitable, because it cost so little to make.

So how you evaluate what someone has accomplished as a filmmaker, especially someone like Lucas who has been an independent filmmaker since he could afford to finance his own movies, can vary a bit depending on your point of view.

The fireplace scene? I think it's cute. I don't take it too seriously, and I don't think Lucas did, either. Or maybe he did, but in either case it didn't take away from my enjoyment of AOTC.

[Gold Ranger]

I wanna see these movies again in the Cinema.
I saw The Phantom Menace 8 times during its original run.
LOVED IT every time.
Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith were only once each.

A New Hope = 0
The Empire Strikes Back = 0
Return of the Jedi = 1

I love all 6 movies.
I want to know from as many people as possible how the "new" masters look up on the big screen.

***
I'm not looking to make fun of Beast, i find he and I have a lot of similar views in regards to the Republic Trilogy and the Empire Trilogy...

[Falaskan]

maybe Beast is one with the force...

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

I wanna see these movies again in the Cinema.
I saw The Phantom Menace 8 times during its original run.
LOVED IT every time.
Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith were only once each.

A New Hope = 0
The Empire Strikes Back = 0
Return of the Jedi = 1

I love all 6 movies.
I want to know from as many people as possible how the "new" masters look up on the big screen.

***
I'm not looking to make fun of Beast, i find he and I have a lot of similar views in regards to the Republic Trilogy and the Empire Trilogy...

Episode 1 is soft, apart from a few shots. 3D effect was quite subtle, sometimes it worked (when you see the Gungan army for example) but falls flat in other scenes (the one where Obi, Qui and Jar Jar talk in the forest. They are in the foreground, but the forest doesn't have any depth, making it look as if they are in front of a matte painting).

More interested how Ep.2+3 look on the big screen, considering the complaining that they are only 1080p..

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Episode 1 is soft, apart from a few shots. 3D effect was quite subtle, sometimes it worked (when you see the Gungan army for example) but falls flat in other scenes (the one where Obi, Qui and Jar Jar talk in the forest. They are in the foreground, but the forest doesn't have any depth, making it look as if they are in front of a matte painting).

More interested how Ep.2+3 look on the big screen, considering the complaining that they are only 1080p..

The forest scenes seemed to me to offer some of the best effects... especially when the STAPs come out, guns blazing...

[FC4L]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Episode 1 is soft, apart from a few shots. 3D effect was quite subtle, sometimes it worked (when you see the Gungan army for example) but falls flat in other scenes (the one where Obi, Qui and Jar Jar talk in the forest. They are in the foreground, but the forest doesn't have any depth, making it look as if they are in front of a matte painting).

More interested how Ep.2+3 look on the big screen, considering the complaining that they are only 1080p..

The "matte painting" effect has more to do with camera focus then dimensionality. When you have the foreground in clear focus and the background very unfocused (called bokeh) there isn't much dimension in the background. Same thing happens if you are standing in the forrest and focusing on your finger right in front of your face.

I found the 3D to be exactly what it should be. Very natural looking. Still some people's idea of what 3D should be (jumping out of the screen constantly) will always taint their viewing. Irrational hate abounds in this thread.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by FC4L

I found the 3D to be exactly what it should be. Very natural looking. Still some people's idea of what 3D should be (jumping out of the screen constantly) will always taint their viewing. Irrational hate abounds in this thread.

That sums up my feelings, as well.

To me, a 3-D effect that constantly calls attention to itself is not going to enhance my viewing experience. If anything, it will distract me from the story. You can get away with a couple of standout shots, like the ping-pong ball thing in the 1953 version of "House of Wax". That scene always cracks up any audience watching it in 3-D.

[Geoff D]

I don't want 'IN YOUR FACE' 3D, but neither do I want a 3D presentation that, most of the time, looked flat as a pancake, as TPM 3D did to me.