Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

And also, do not forget about fixing the sound that has been botched going all the way back to the last VHS SE release.

I wish they would do something about the horrible sound jump when Vader's shuttle arrives at the Star Destroyer in ESB's Special Edition.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

And also, do not forget about fixing the sound that has been botched going all the way back to the last VHS SE release.

Right let's hope the sound on episode 4 a new hope is fixed as well the other 2 films are ok but episode 4 is the one that needs the sound fixed on the most. Another question will lucasfilm go with DTS HD MA or Dolby True HD for lossless audio?

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Right let's hope the sound on episode 4 a new hope is fixed as well the other 2 films are ok but episode 4 is the one that needs the sound fixed on the most. Another question will lucasfilm go with DTS HD MA or Dolby True HD for lossless audio?

Also, another thing regarding the sound from IV that I have brought up before, is that I hope they adjust two soundtrack reveals that have been off (for how many releases, I do not know). One is the overlook shot of Mos Eisley, which is off by about one second and the other one is when Ben Kenobi removes his hood, which is off by about two seconds.

They are fantastic musical cues, but not timed right nonetheless.


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[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Also, another thing regarding the sound from IV that I have brought up before, is that I hope they adjust two soundtrack reveals that have been off (for how many releases, I do not know). One is the overlook shot of Mos Eisley, which is off by about one second and the other one is when Ben Kenobi removes his hood, which is off by about two seconds.

They are fantastic musical cues, but not timed right nonetheless.


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Indeed also the one sound change I hope the go back and fix is the lowering of the force fanfare music in the battle of yavin in episode 4.

[Zero_Cool]

I have seen 3-6 so many times I don't even know if I want to pick them up. I can pass on the 1-3 only needed to see them once. Still own my VHS and DVD copies. Do I really want to give George more of my money.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Right let's hope the sound on episode 4 a new hope is fixed as well the other 2 films are ok but episode 4 is the one that needs the sound fixed on the most. Another question will lucasfilm go with DTS HD MA or Dolby True HD for lossless audio?

Sound quality will be the same either way but I'm hoping for TrueHD so I can have the option to listen at a decent volume and not wake the kids with the dynamic explosions every other minute. Those with no such concern can keep the night mode off and have the dynamic range in full.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Sound quality will be the same either way but I'm hoping for TrueHD so I can have the option to listen at a decent volume and not wake the kids with the dynamic explosions every other minute. Those with no such concern can keep the night mode off and have the dynamic range in full.

Agreed PeterTHX

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

I wish they would do something about the horrible sound jump when Vader's shuttle arrives at the Star Destroyer in ESB's Special Edition.

I know! Don't even get me started on ESB! I know there are some things that can't be changed like the story and sloooooooooooow pace, but things like the Hoth battle and Asteroid chase could use some improvement definitely. Hope to see an actual "battle" of Hoth more like the battle of Geonosis instead of the skirmish that it is. Would also like to see the asteroid fx improved more like what is in AOTC. Hell, the asteroid scenes in Airplane 2 looked better...lol!

If no changes are made, fine. I've accepted the movie for what it is; but, this would be the perfect time for those improvements.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Indeed also the one sound change I hope the go back and fix is the lowering of the force fanfare music in the battle of yavin in episode 4.

Yeah, being the most egregious sound goof up, that is pretty much guaranteed to be fixed.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Yeah, being the most egregious sound goof up, that is pretty much guaranteed to be fixed.

Indeed.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

I know! Don't even get me started on ESB! I know there are some things that can't be changed like the story and sloooooooooooow pace, but things like the Hoth battle and Asteroid chase could use some improvement definitely. Hope to see an actual "battle" of Hoth more like the battle of Geonosis instead of the skirmish that it is. Would also like to see the asteroid fx improved more like what is in AOTC. Hell, the asteroid scenes in Airplane 2 looked better...lol!

If no changes are made, fine. I've accepted the movie for what it is; but, this would be the perfect time for those improvements.

I'm not really for adding any more CGI or trying to make a film from 1980 look like a film from 2010. Personally, I love the older eras of film anyway. The sensibilities were better back then. Now they try to cram too much into each shot

May I ask, why so many of you are fans of these movies yet keep on asking for constant changes? You know, a tweak here and there is one thing, but many of you are asking for these films to be like the prequels, which scares me since they are lesser films.

This is coming from a film fan, not a Star Wars fan though. I look at the editing, cinematography, believability, story and character arcs, music, etc. No offense, but to me, Star Wars from 1997 on has seemed more like a dense video game series that you can't play than the series I fell in love with. That's just me.

I don't want to see a million droids battling it out. I want to see Luke and his friends and their struggles. My favorite scene of the Star Wars saga was not a massive battle with effects, but emotional battle between Luke and Vader, where it was more operatic than a standard fight. It was about motivations, conflicts, emotions, etc. Here is Luke. He just recently found out his father was the man who killed his mentor and took part in the slaying on countless more. But he believes there is still good in him. If he fights and kills Vader though, he may very well become the thing he has sworn to fight, the dark side. But Vader is trying to draw out his insecurities, trying to make him angry, so that Luke will fight him. And finally, he threatens his sister. This is what storytelling is all about.

But I also believe that while the story itself should seem timeless, they should still be off their time. We shouldn't have to keep altering them every time the technology changes. If so, then one day our favorite films will be entirely unrecognizable

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

I'm not really for adding any more CGI or trying to make a film from 1980 look like a film from 2010. Personally, I love the older eras of film anyway. The sensibilities were better back then. Now they try to cram too much into each shot

There's nostalgia... and then there's anachronism. Let's not confuse one for the other.

May I ask, why so many of you are fans of these movies yet keep on asking for constant changes? You know, a tweak here and there is one thing, but many of you are asking for these films to be like the prequels, which scares me since they are lesser films.

Not sure if you were deliberately instigating with a pejorative, but that's obviously your personal opinion and many of us disagree on which are the better films.

Lucas did the best he could with primitive technology at the time, but he was going for big epic scale, which just hasn't been realized in retrospect. Disputing the propriety of "Jedi Rocks" or the "Yub yub" song is one thing, but there isn't much epic in the current battle of Hoth... The stop-motion chicken walker was fine in the early 80s, but it needs to be replaced with CGI. If the background could show a few hundred snowtroopers fighting a couple hundred rebels with a dozen chicken walkers going here and there between the AT-AT and snowspeeders, couldn't that be executed in a way that compliments the pacing and action, rather than detracts from it?

This is coming from a film fan, not a Star Wars fan though. I look at the editing, cinematography, believability, story and character arcs, music, etc. No offense, but to me, Star Wars from 1997 on has seemed more like a dense video game series that you can't play than the series I fell in love with. That's just me.

I don't think that being a film fan is mutually exclusive from being a star wars fan. I'll bet your parents or grandparents thought the same about your flashy "video game" movies... just that the movies of your day were Atari 2600 style rather than todays PS3/360.

I don't want to see a million droids battling it out. I want to see Luke and his friends and their struggles. My favorite scene of the Star Wars saga was not a massive battle with effects, but emotional battle between Luke and Vader, where it was more operatic than a standard fight. It was about motivations, conflicts, emotions, etc. Here is Luke. He just recently found out his father was the man who killed his mentor and took part in the slaying on countless more. But he believes there is still good in him. If he fights and kills Vader though, he may very well become the thing he has sworn to fight, the dark side. But Vader is trying to draw out his insecurities, trying to make him angry, so that Luke will fight him. And finally, he threatens his sister. This is what storytelling is all about.

I don't think "Star Duels" are mutually exclusive from "Star Wars" but note the title and it's premise versus what was actually delivered. The limitations, especially of the original were budget... with Empire, the limits were in what was capable (and those capabilities were created/stretched to the limit then but are far below what's possible today). If you think that Lucas in 1980 wouldn't go farther if he had been gifted LFL's 2010 apparatus... well I guess that's your opinion, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

But I also believe that while the story itself should seem timeless, they should still be off their time. We shouldn't have to keep altering them every time the technology changes. If so, then one day our favorite films will be entirely unrecognizable

Why is that a bad thing? Are your copies of your favorite films going to be seized and destroyed? Are your memories going to fade beyond recall? Why shouldn't the true vision behind the story be realized when it's actually capable of being realized, instead of limited by the technology of the day? Why should nostalgia trump progress? Why must it be mutually exclusive? You can enjoy your version as you have them. I should be able to enjoy mine as it gets developed. Me getting my way doesn't hinder yours.

[high def ho!]

Thats the biggest load of crap I've ever read in my entire life. Are you insane? You think that a movie should be changed over and over and over as technology changes? You need to be locked up! Whether Lucas or anyone else likes it, Star Wars doesn't belong to just one man. It belongs to every person who grew up loving it. I know that doesn't fit into your selfish, idealistic point of view, but it is the truth. If you don't appreciate the film for what it was then just say that. Don't hide it under some idealistic veil that this movie belongs to one man or that new technology trumps old. All of the new technology in the world has not done anything for Lucas except to show that the original low-tech versions were groundbreaking, and the new ones suck. I am all for him updating them and finalizing his vision, but as a part of beautiful film history the originals do deserve preservation. If you are too blind to see that then I pity you. In 100 years people will remember Star Wars as a landmark achievement; but who will remember you?

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Just my opinion, but I don't think how many there are on each side is what's important. That's users of the Force, not the Force itself. The prophecy was that the Force would be brought into balance, not who was using it. It is my honest belief that the Force itself was brought into balance because one man (Anakin/Vader) had both sides flow through him, and was able to go from light to dark and back to light. That is what broght the Force into balance, not that fact that Sith were destroyed.

That is along the lines of what I was thinking about. But the Force would want an individual who could have perfect control both sides. Even a Jedi Master has only achieved 50% power of the Force. So yes, someone could bring balance to the Lightside of the Force.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by high def ho!

Whether Lucas or anyone else likes it, Star Wars doesn't belong to just one man.

lol, get a clue. Here's a hint, it does only belong to one man. Legally. Morally. Rightfully. If he hadn't been the way he is, it would have never existed at all. Don't like it? Too bad.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by high def ho!

Thats the biggest load of crap I've ever read in my entire life. Are you insane? You think that a movie should be changed over and over and over as technology changes? You need to be locked up! Whether Lucas or anyone else likes it, Star Wars doesn't belong to just one man. It belongs to every person who grew up loving it.

No, it belongs to Lucas.

Your memories are yours, nothing more. You paid money for a ticket.
Are you going to say that if you pay to see a sports event you own the players? Or go to an art gallery, view a painting by a living artist and now you own it?

Star Wars wasn't some public works project.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

I know! Don't even get me started on ESB! I know there are some things that can't be changed like the story and sloooooooooooow pace, but things like the Hoth battle and Asteroid chase could use some improvement definitely. Hope to see an actual "battle" of Hoth more like the battle of Geonosis instead of the skirmish that it is. Would also like to see the asteroid fx improved more like what is in AOTC. Hell, the asteroid scenes in Airplane 2 looked better...lol!

If no changes are made, fine. I've accepted the movie for what it is; but, this would be the perfect time for those improvements.

Are you insane?!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Why should nostalgia trump progress? Why must it be mutually exclusive?

Why indeed.

That's all many of us have been saying all along.

[kenkraly2004]

As far as extras on the blu-rays of the star wars I whould like to see 1. New documentaries created for the blu-ray release. 2. All of the documentaries from the dvd releases. 3. The documentaries that came out on vhs like from star wars to jedi the making of a saga , the making of star wars , SPFX: The Making Of The Empire Strikes Back and Classic Creatures : The Making Of Return Of The Jedi and many others like from the bbc etc.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Uxi

You can enjoy your version as you have them. I should be able to enjoy mine as it gets developed. Me getting my way doesn't hinder yours.

Huh?

So there will be a HD release of the OUTs then?

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No, it belongs to Lucas.

Your memories are yours, nothing more. You paid money for a ticket.
Are you going to say that if you pay to see a sports event you own the players? Or go to an art gallery, view a painting by a living artist and now you own it?

Star Wars wasn't some public works project.

Do not forget that Lucas failed miserably at getting the 'United States National Film Preservation Board' the amend 'Star Wars' for the 'Library of Congress', which BTW happened to win an Oscar for 'film editing.


National Film Registry



Now personally I would LOVE to see the OT get a complete reboot, though I would doubt that it would match the originals in greatness, however it would be pretty cool to see what they would look like completely redone with today's tech.

And guess what? They would stomp AVATAR's box office records beyond belief.



But the originals must be preserved for the public.


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