Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Takeshi666

That's an awfully roundabout way of saying "if critics know so much better, I'd like to see them make a better film then".

It doesn't take a chef to tell the soup is salted, you know.

I don't even know what you're arguing, but I'm still calling you out on being a lousy debater - because I hate that particular kind of logical fallacy. Instead of improving the quality of artistry, it merely lowers the standard of public debate.

what if its salty to one person but not to others? there is no way to review movies or food. critics are useless.

is that clear enough?

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

But what if someone likes really salty soup? Critics are just opinionated a$$holes. Every once and a while you get one like Siskel, Ebert, or Kael, but most of them know very little about filmmaking in general.

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Can we please have some respect for the dead and stop using the names of Siskel and Ebert?

lol. okay no more talking about someone cause they're dead. in church Jesus will just have to be known as "that skinny bearded guy"

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by solaris72

Tell me, how many film critics actually make their living doing it?

lots

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

My point was (and maybe I didn't make this clear) that the experience of learning first hand is more important than film school. That's why I made such a point that practically everyone has the ability to make a film with their smartphone. Anything technical or creative you can learn from a handful of books and filmmaker interviews and commentaries, not an expensive film school.

true

Originally Posted by wormraper

This thread seems to have jumped the tracks, careened into group of school kids and then exploded while running through an orphanage

[Falaskan]

Somewhat unrelated question...Didn't Lucas believe the end of the world was coming soon, in 2012 or soon after? Do you think that had anything to do with him selling the rights, even a possible a future release of the UOT? Maybe he thinks it won't happen in the long run anyway...

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Somewhat unrelated question...Didn't Lucas believe the end of the world was coming soon, in 2012 or soon after? Do you think that had anything to do with him selling the rights, even a possible a future release of the UOT? Maybe he thinks it won't happen in the long run anyway...

That was a rumor back around 2010 or something. I don't think it was ever confirmed; Lucas may have even denied it.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

Heir to the Jedi isn't an old EU novel rewritten to be match the new canon. You're confusing it with the similarly-titled Heir to the Empire. It did have to be rewritten to comply with the new canon as it was already in the works before they did away with the old EU but it's always been a new book.

There are also other new canon things, the first thing to actually fall under the new canon was a serial story printed in Star Wars insider and it actually started a few weeks before the canon announcement. The Darth Maul comic should be canon too.

Well I was partially right. I knew it started out as a part of the old canon, but it just wasn't published yet.

Heir to the Jedi is an upcoming novel that will be written by Kevin Hearne. It was intended to be final installment in the Empire and Rebellion series but is now a stand-alone book.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heir_to_the_Jedi

It was originally supposed to end the Empire and Rebellion series that is now part of the Legends continuity, but they made it into a standalone novel and made it a part of the new canon.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Cook

I meant all new stuff published, but thank you for pointing this out. I figured they'd republish old canon material for simple profit if for no other reason but I hadn't heard one way or the other.

Yeah, none of it is canon, but they already are doing the original Marvel series in an Omnibus format - under Marvel Legends. I'm quite looking forward to it - it's a little pricey, but it's also 880 pages LOL.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by wormraper

Stay classy San diego

Originally Posted by baheidstu

If you claim that you don't recognize the majority of those names cited (Kael, Sarris, Canby, Maslin, etc.) and are ignorant to their importance to the world of film as critics, writers and commentators, then I can only assuming that you are either trolling really hard or you really need to stop posting here, go and educate yourself and come back when you know what you are talking about. As it stands, you are just making yourself look like a complete fool.

cool but i'm over the age of 7 and i don't need a critic to tell me what movies are good and bad. i'm just saying critics are kinda useless.

why don't you just try watching a movie and see if you like it? don't listen to what others say. opinions are okay but when a critic says a movie sucks after all the hard work put into making it by professionals i'd like to know how much time they've put into the field they are criticizing.

anyway, critics say AOTC's sucks but i loved it. perfect example that critics are useless.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Not for nothing, but I don't even know those names.
That said, I have never listened to any critics other than my social circle.
And even then, we mostly talked about how the film was, wat interested us, what didn't and what we would do, if it was ours to make the story better, for us. We never told another in our group to not see a film. unless it was something like SpiceWorld.

yeah its nice to talk about movies and say whether you like it or not. i just hate critics who say how good or bad a movie is like its written in stone. whatever they think of a movie is fine but is really little importance to anyone.

[SymbioticFunction]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i just hate critics who say how good or bad a movie is like its written in stone.

But to be fair, that is their actual job. That's the whole point of the profession.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

yeah its nice to talk about movies and say whether you like it or not. i just hate critics who say how good or bad a movie is like its written in stone. whatever they think of a movie is fine but is really little importance to anyone.

ummmmmmmmmm, they never say it's written in stone... all critics have disclaimers that say it's their opinion only... giving a waffling type of review where they try to hedge their bets and please everyone is NOT a good way to write something. state your opinion and stick with it.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

yeah its nice to talk about movies and say whether you like it or not. i just hate critics who say how good or bad a movie is like its written in stone. whatever they think of a movie is fine but is really little importance to anyone.

Attack of the clones is a terrible film by Star Wars standards. I would say that is pretty much written in stone.

[SymbioticFunction]

Attack of the Clones is definetly my least favourite Star Wars film.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Attack of the clones is a terrible film by Star Wars movie standards. I would say that is pretty much written in stone.

Fixed.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Anyone know of any critics who actually chisel their reviews in stone? Just curious.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by wormraper

ummmmmmmmmm, they never say it's written in stone... all critics have disclaimers that say it's their opinion only... giving a waffling type of review where they try to hedge their bets and please everyone is NOT a good way to write something. state your opinion and stick with it.

Right. I mean, even without a disclaimer, I feel the simple nature of criticism broadly implies that what they're writing is their opinion. Art is largely subjective. To me critics have value not as some authoritative opinion clearing house, but rather their value is found in the same as any other writer of non-fiction: do they have something interesting to say?

I find movies interesting, and so I enjoy reading critics who are intelligent and bring interesting perspectives in writing about movies.

[Icemouth]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

cool but i'm over the age of 7 and i don't need a critic to tell me what movies are good and bad. i'm just saying critics are kinda useless.

why don't you just try watching a movie and see if you like it? don't listen to what others say. opinions are okay but when a critic says a movie sucks after all the hard work put into making it by professionals i'd like to know how much time they've put into the field they are criticizing.

anyway, critics say AOTC's sucks but i loved it. perfect example that critics are useless.

Because most people (read: everyone) has a limited amount of time and resources? I don't have enough time to personally watch, read, play, eat, drive, drink, etc etc every single thing that exists so that I can know if it will be worth it to do so or not. I can either waste hours watching a terrible movie, or within seconds find out that literally everyone thinks it's terrible (except you apparently ) and then make better use of said time.

You say you're over the age of 7, but then proceed to make a statement that someone under 7 would be more likely to make.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Originally Posted by Icemouth

Because most people (read: everyone) has a limited amount of time and resources? I don't have enough time to personally watch, read, play, eat, drive, drink, etc etc every single thing that exists so that I can know if it will be worth it to do so or not. I can either waste hours watching a terrible movie, or within seconds find out that literally everyone thinks it's terrible (except you apparently ) and then make better use of said time.

You say you're over the age of 7, but then proceed to make a statement that someone under 7 would be more likely to make.

I think she's just sharing some (admittedly unpopular) opinions. People are trying desperately to convince her that critics have merit and that Attack of the Clones sucks. If she doesn't think so, what are you gonna do?

I know: Argue about it for ten pages.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

cool but i'm over the age of 7 and i don't need a critic to tell me what movies are good and bad. i'm just saying critics are kinda useless.

why don't you just try watching a movie and see if you like it? don't listen to what others say. opinions are okay but when a critic says a movie sucks after all the hard work put into making it by professionals i'd like to know how much time they've put into the field they are criticizing.

anyway, critics say AOTC's sucks but i loved it. perfect example that critics are useless.

Yeah, I've never cared for critics or what some of the net chumps have to say. I loved it too! But, I love all the movies and the TV show as well.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes

I think she's just sharing some (admittedly unpopular) opinions. People are trying desperately to convince her that critics have merit and that Attack of the Clones sucks. If she doesn't think so, what are you gonna do?

We will discuss it, that is what we will do. No desperation; just the exchange of disparate opinions. Sorry if that seems extreme to you. Some are easily offended, I guess.

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes

I know: Argue about it for ten pages.

If you don't want to contribute to a discussion (which is implied by your complaint of the existence of the discussion) then why even post in the thread?

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

There's one thing in Revenge of the Sith that I've never been entirely clear about. During the end fight with Yoda, Sidious says "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us". So what exactly is his plan with this?

If Vader had become the most powerful Sith ever instead of getting his arms and legs hacked off, surely he would have killed Sidious eventually to become the master? So why would Sidious want to take on an apprentice that will eventually become more powerful than he is? Or was his plan to eventually kill him once he'd served his purpose? Any ideas?