Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Canuck21]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Meh. He was playing an old grump, not much enthusiasm from him. Probably because he was making the same movie he made 40 years ago

I thought Ford was great in TFA. I felt he put a lot more effort into it than in his other recent movies.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Canuck21

I thought Ford was great in TFA. I felt he put a lot more effort into it than in his other recent movies.

I guess you didn't see 42. It was one of his best performances ever

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I guess you didn't see 42. It was one of his best performances ever

He was excellent in 42, but he was rather lackluster in Ender's Game.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Todd, I might be the last person on the planet who needs to have animation techniques explained to him. Animation is older than cinema itself, a history going back for millennia. Artists practiced in the art of hand-drawn animation bristled when people began referring to hand-drawn animation as 2-D animation, hence John Lasseter and others began correctly referring to that mode of the medium as hand-drawn cel animation (though he slips in that from time to time), which is a different mode than stop-motion, go-motion, oil-on-glass, or computer animation. Human hands are involved in all, I don't place supremacy of one mode over another. But no, laughably no, Jar Jar Binks wasn't the first animated character to share space with live-action actors in a film, nor the first photo-real animated character to share space with live-action actors in a film. And as far as just pure animation goes in The Phantom Menace, Watto is damn brilliant.

Thanks for the lecture but I am an animator, it's what I've been doing for a living for 25 years. Believe me, traditional animation is not called "hand animation" which you have called it several times now. "Hand drawn cel animation" would be a correct description of the process but it's a bit of a mouth full and that's not what you called it. The correct term for drawn animation is "traditional animation".

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Canuck21

I thought Ford was great in TFA. I felt he put a lot more effort into it than in his other recent movies.

Because about 98% of his movies within the past 10 years have been utter trash lol

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I'd say he was excellent in New Hope, agreed on the rest. TFA especially he seemed to go hot and cold, but was on more often than not.

I think all of the actors were at their best in Empire - says something about Kershner.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I think all of the actors were at their best in Empire - says something about Kershner.

Agreed. He let them wander off the reservation script-wise and really gave them a sense of investment in their characters that hasn't been seen in a Star Wars movie before or since IMO. Empire's not the best SW flick for the story (which basically stops before it reaches the end) or the legendary reveal or whatever but for the performances, right down to the little latex guy with Frank Oz' hand up his arse.

[warrian]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I think all of the actors were at their best in Empire - says something about Kershner.

It absolutely does. If you go through any of the making-of material for the movie it is clear that the human drama was everything to him. In great part because it's what he was able to relate to most. Even the humanity they got out of the Yoda puppet is just incredible and took a lot of work. Empire is also composed, lit and shot in a much more dynamic way than SW or Jedi.

But don't forget that Kersh had it relatively easy. He was a partner in editing but did not supervise it. He had very little responsibility for anything wasn't shot on set or on location. Before the film started shooting, Lucas was the director and when the film stopped shooting, Lucas became the director again. That had to be very liberating for a director from Kersh's generation.

But Kersh, Kurtz, Kasdan, Lucas... they show Star Wars really was at its best when it was a collaboration.

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by Canuck21

I thought Ford was great in TFA. I felt he put a lot more effort into it than in his other recent movies.

He had a lot of great little touches and nuances in his delivery. Could be the old man in him, could be the actor. Like when he's offering Rey a job. Reminded me of Robert Prosky in Christine. You almost start to see the caring in him before he remembers he's supposed to be a grumpy old man.

One of my favorite lines is when Finn starts losing it on Phasma ("I'm in charge now!"). And Han tells him bring it down. I'm almost wondering if that was an adlib. Maybe not in that take, but something he added while shooting. Kind of like he was actually trying to tell John that's enough, don't overact.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

He had a lot of great little touches and nuances in his delivery. Could be the old man in him, could be the actor. Like when he's offering Rey a job. Reminded me of Robert Prosky in Christine. You almost start to see the caring in him before he remembers he's supposed to be a grumpy old man.

One of my favorite lines is when Finn starts losing it on Phasma ("I'm in charge now!"). And Han tells him bring it down. I'm almost wondering if that was an adlib. Maybe not in that take, but something he added while shooting. Kind of like he was actually trying to tell John that's enough, don't overact.

I think I would've preferred to see Han having grown more as a character, instead of going back to just being an older version of his old self. I remember hearing rumours that he was now captain of a star destroyer for the Republic, I thought that sounded really cool! And he could still have had the Falcon as his personal ship. However, I still thought he was good in TFA, though I really wish it could've been him and Chewie in the dogfight on Jakku instead of Rey and Finn, showing their skills piloting the Falcon one last time.

[Bickle76]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

He had a lot of great little touches and nuances in his delivery. Could be the old man in him, could be the actor. Like when he's offering Rey a job. Reminded me of Robert Prosky in Christine. You almost start to see the caring in him before he remembers he's supposed to be a grumpy old man.

One of my favorite lines is when Finn starts losing it on Phasma ("I'm in charge now!"). And Han tells him bring it down. I'm almost wondering if that was an adlib. Maybe not in that take, but something he added while shooting. Kind of like he was actually trying to tell John that's enough, don't overact.

That line still makes me laugh. Boyega and Ford had good chemistry throughout that was pretty darn humorous. Also, I like when Chewie hands Han his coat, Ford's expression is classic Han, reminds me of "whose scruffy lookin?" in Echo base.

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Agreed. He let them wander off the reservation script-wise and really gave them a sense of investment in their characters that hasn't been seen in a Star Wars movie before or since IMO. Empire's not the best SW flick for the story (which basically stops before it reaches the end) or the legendary reveal or whatever but for the performances, right down to the little latex guy with Frank Oz' hand up his arse.

There was only one star wars movie to compare it to...you're acting like ESB was the 3rd of 4th SW movie lol

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

Thanks for the lecture but I am an animator, it's what I've been doing for a living for 25 years. Believe me, traditional animation is not called "hand animation" which you have called it several times now. "Hand drawn cel animation" would be a correct description of the process but it's a bit of a mouth full and that's not what you called it. The correct term for drawn animation is "traditional animation".

I recently watched the Tron blu ray and they refer to "hand animation" quite a few times. I've heard it used elsewhere too by animators connected with films.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

There was only one star wars movie to compare it to...you're acting like ESB was the 3rd of 4th SW movie lol

There was one movie made before it and several made afterwards, my comment is perfectly valid.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

Thanks for the lecture but I am an animator, it's what I've been doing for a living for 25 years. Believe me, traditional animation is not called "hand animation" which you have called it several times now. "Hand drawn cel animation" would be a correct description of the process but it's a bit of a mouth full and that's not what you called it. The correct term for drawn animation is "traditional animation".

John Lasseter on Hand-Drawn Animation - YouTube

You were saying?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Agreed. He let them wander off the reservation script-wise and really gave them a sense of investment in their characters that hasn't been seen in a Star Wars movie before or since IMO. Empire's not the best SW flick for the story (which basically stops before it reaches the end) or the legendary reveal or whatever but for the performances, right down to the little latex guy with Frank Oz' hand up his arse.

Agreed about Kersh.

Although I thought Empire was the best SW flick despite being the "middle" book of the OT.

[fontcow]

Was Irvin Kershner ever offered Return of the Jedi or did he say he was one and done after The Empire Strikes Back? It's interesting to think of ROTJ under his direction and how different it might have been.

[Geoff D]

Kersh ruled himself out IIRC.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Who could possibly say this isn't the most badass guitar paint job ever?

It isn't.

[stvn1974]

Guitar painted in guitarist's own blood. But it is still pretty cool.


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sla...re-esp-guitar/