Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

"You look absolutely beautiful. You truly belong here with us among the clouds."



Farewell, Carrie Fisher.

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[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Only the die hard fans really cared about the Expanded Universe, not the general public.

I read each and every book up until the halfway point of the Yuuzan Vong war.
Even the worst novel was better than the crap JJ came up with!

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Has no one seen Rogue One? I guess if they really want to keep her in it then they have absolutely no qualms doing a digital version of someone who has died.

I haven't

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I read each and every book up until the halfway point of the Yuuzan Vong war.
Even the worst novel was better than the crap JJ came up with!

What about the Star Wars Holiday Special?

[Guydowood]

They could honor her memory and have the Princess pass away of a broken heart after the loss of her beloved Han at the hands of her son Kylo. Almost an echo of how Padme' passed in Episode III.....

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Guydowood

They could honor her memory and have the Princess pass away of a broken heart after the loss of her beloved Han at the hands of her son Kylo. Almost an echo of how Padme' passed in Episode III.....

It's actually kind of ambiguous as to how Padmé died.

https://www.retrozap.com/padme-didnt...-broken-heart/

https://www.retrozap.com/padme-didnt...eart-part-two/

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

What about the Star Wars Holiday Special?

I actually like it, for what it is...

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Only the die hard fans really cared about the Expanded Universe, not the general public.

That's irrelevant to what I was saying.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I actually like it, for what it is...

Huh. Interesting.

[Arch Stanton]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I though Paul Walker's recreation in Furious 7 looked outstanding.

I've not seen the film in full (really not into that stuff) but yeah, it was OK. I'm just a bit worried generally about recreating people in CG and would probably rather they do it by other off-screen means.

[spanky87]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

R.I.P. Carrie...

F.U. JJ, because of your bungling, we'll never see Leia be the badass she should have been!

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I read each and every book up until the halfway point of the Yuuzan Vong war.
Even the worst novel was better than the crap JJ came up with!

I think it's ****ing appalling that Carrie Fisher passed away only hours ago and you're using her death as an excuse to ***** about JJ Abrams and The Force Awakens yet again.

It's people like you that give fanboys such a bad rap.

[Rich1631]

Force Awakens was awesome, how anybody can bash that is crazy. Yes it's similar to A New Hope, it was clear that was intentional...to take you down memory lane, and hit you with nostgia. After all the bellyaching that the prequels were nothing like the originals, people complain that Force Awakens is too similar to the originals. What the f*ck do you people want?

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Which leads to more questions about how he couldn't find Yoda or Obi-Wan for 19 years between III and IV, unless he just assumed they were dead and didn't bother trying to find them via Force Sonar or something.

There was something mentioned in some EU encyclopedia or similar thing in the early 90s that they both hid in a region that had a strong Dark Side shadow. I don't remember what they said about Dagobah but it said Ben Kenobi's house was in an area where something terrible had happened that left behind a Dark Side presence. It's funny because it was even before the prequels but afterwards I thought it would have been funny if that was close to where the Tusken slaughter happened.

And I've done some research but could never find anything about Dagobah's history. Was the corridor where Luke encountered Vader real or part of the vision? I thought maybe there had been some underground Jedi or Sith temple on Dagobah. With all the outrageous stories that came from imagined or inferred events in the movies, I was surprised there was nothing written about that.

[thegoat]

I hope she found peace and passed without regrets. She lived an incredible life and touched many of us. Her grace, charm, and wit that was so uniquely hers will continue to be cherished by her countless fans

I also feel for her family, particularly her mother. It must be really hard to survive your own child

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

There was something mentioned in some EU encyclopedia or similar thing in the early 90s that they both hid in a region that had a strong Dark Side shadow. I don't remember what they said about Dagobah but it said Ben Kenobi's house was in an area where something terrible had happened that left behind a Dark Side presence. It's funny because it was even before the prequels but afterwards I thought it would have been funny if that was close to where the Tusken slaughter happened.

And I've done some research but could never find anything about Dagobah's history. Was the corridor where Luke encountered Vader real or part of the vision? I thought maybe there had been some underground Jedi or Sith temple on Dagobah. With all the outrageous stories that came from imagined or inferred events in the movies, I was surprised there was nothing written about that.

Timothy Zahn had it that Yoda had fought a "Dark Jedi" at the site.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Rich1631

Force Awakens was awesome, how anybody can bash that is crazy. Yes it's similar to A New Hope, it was clear that was intentional...to take you down memory lane, and hit you with nostgia. After all the bellyaching that the prequels were nothing like the originals, people complain that Force Awakens is too similar to the originals. What the f*ck do you people want?

I never complained that the prequels were nothing like the originals, and never will, but I sure hate TFA.

[Show spoiler]It's just awful, and exists soley to please the OT fanboys with more X-Wings and TIE fighters, the most pathetic villain ever, yet another desert planet, worlds that look like Earth, Han Solo and Co.: We are home....and worst of all: No SW magic, no SW feel, worst SW score....abysmal.

[Rich1631]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I never complained that the prequels were nothing like the originals, and never will, but I sure hate TFA.

[Show spoiler]It's just awful, and exists soley to please the OT fanboys with more X-Wings and TIE fighters, the most pathetic villain ever, yet another desert planet, worlds that look like Earth, Han Solo and Co.: We are home....and worst of all: No SW magic, no SW feel, worst SW score....abysmal.

Too each their own, but it is easily my favorite Star Wars film

[kemcha]

Been hiding somewhere? That's what we've been talking about all day. By the way, Leia Organa was not a Jedi Knight.

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

We interrupt this ongoing saga of Star Wars Fandom Rage Debate for this unfortunate news:

http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-dies/

A moment of silence for our fallen Jedi...

[El_Fez]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I never complained that the prequels were nothing like the originals, and never will, but I sure hate TFA.

[Show spoiler]It's just awful, and exists soley to please the OT fanboys with more X-Wings and TIE fighters, the most pathetic villain ever, yet another desert planet, worlds that look like Earth, Han Solo and Co.: We are home....and worst of all: No SW magic, no SW feel, worst SW score....abysmal.

Amen, brotha! I put E7 well at the bottom of the Star Wars pile.

I don't like Abrams as a director. I didn't like Star Trek, Cloverfield, Mission Impossible or Lost. Lucas might not be the best at directing people, but it is a very good visual story teller. Abrams . . . not so much. I thought the climax was muddled and lacked focus. It had a couple of well composed shots - the opening moment right after the crawl and that sort of thing, but I think he is a very weak director.

Also Abram's fondness for being mysterious is bull. "Hey, how did you get Luke's saber?" "That's a story for another time." - no Abrams, that's kind of important information. You don't get to handwave something like that away.

Above and beyond the whole "It's a remake of New Hope", it leaned way too hard on the Nostalgia button, it tried way too hard to be "Look! We're the Star Wars you liked as a child! Please love us!"

Dovetailing to the "We're the Star Wars you love! There's no politics here!" it went too far in the other direction from the prequels, doing almost no world building. We have no context for what happened to the Empire and the Republic between Jedi and E7, no idea of it's a cold war, a shooting war or somewhere in between - and how the Resistance fits in there. From the context I guessed that it was some kind of french underground analog from WWII, and all of this was fleshed out in the ancillary material - but we needed some of this in the movie.

The soundtrack was not very good. Williams phoned in a not-very-memorable score that had one good track and was otherwise pretty tepid. Rey and Finn were okay, but the bad guy was just dull. And yes, the whole beat-for-beat remaking of New Hope bugs me. Why should I watch this when I have a much superior version already on DVD?

Interestingly, on my second viewing for R2, I felt way more sadness at the death of K2, the Kung Fu Master and his buddy - characters I've only been exposed to for a couple of hours - than I did when Han died.

On the other hand, I have never bought into the internet hive mind Group Think that E1-3 were terrible, unwatchable awful movies. At their worst, they're as inoffensive as every other big budget, big hollywood blockbuster these days. But honestly, they don't bug me.

Oh sure I could do with a little less Jar Jar at the climax, but I realize why he was there - comic relief for a series that was about to get super dark super fast. And comic relief has always been part of the series, from R2's pratfalls to Yoda as The Trickster. Is the romance awkward? Yes - but you have a slave turned jedi on one side a princess senator since she was 10 on the other - not a lot of time for socialization and human interaction, so of course it's going to be awkward and stilted. That's both backgrounds coming into play.

It's a little like Superman 3 vs Man of Steel or Star Trek 5 vs Neo Trek. Yes Superman 3 and Trek 5 are not very good - but quality of the film aside, you look at Superman and go "Yeah, I still see the character amid the bad movie" or "Okay, that's the Kirk and Spock and McCoy triangle that I know from way back". Where with Man of Steel and Neo-Trek, you get the outward appearance of the character, but none of the heart or soul.

Same thing with 1-3 vs 7. Phantom Menace might be a worse film (I disagree, but for the sake of argument, lets say this is so), but it still feels right, feels like Star Wars. E7 looks like a Star Wars film, but doesn't feel like it to me.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by kemcha

By the way, Leia Organa was not a Jedi Knight.

The last person I remember been knighted was Anakin, Luke didn't pass the trials accustomed to the Jedi, but Yoda did suggest a battlefield promotion if he defeated Vader. Once the Order fell there weren't any Knights until a new order was established.

It's unclear what kind of order Luke set up after RotJ and whether Leia went through any trials with anyone else.