Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Broken heart syndrome is all too real, and can manifest itself as a stroke, which can lead to death. So yes, you can techinically die of a "broken heart"

But in those circumstances, no doctor would say that the person was completely healthy, medically speaking. They would say they died of heart failure, or stroke, or whatever way it manifested itself. There would be physical evidence of a medical condition - not a perfectly healthy person losing the will to live and just dying. That's the point, that for some reason has to be repeated over and over.

[ElvisForever]

Listen up kids. In the future droids are always right! There is no way there can be a misdiagnosis.

I mean no doctor would ever ever get the facts wrong...

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Listen up kids. In the future droids are always right! There is no way there can be a misdiagnosis.

I mean no doctor would ever ever get the facts wrong...

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, droids were sued constantly for malpractice.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Listen up kids. In the future droids are always right! There is no way there can be a misdiagnosis.

I mean no doctor would ever ever get the facts wrong...

There is no reason for the droids to say that if they're not conveying information to the audience, and unless further information provided that the droids are not to be trusted (which there isn't) then the audience should trust them, that's their entire purpose, relaying information to the viewer.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

There is no reason for the droids to say that if they're not conveying information to the audience, and unless further information provided that the droids are not to be trusted (which there isn't) then the audience should trust them, that's their entire purpose, relaying information to the viewer.

OT fans have forgotten C3PO predictions so quickly?

If you trust a robot over common sense, one is a fool. How many pages is it now to disprove that Padme didn't succumb to a myriad of stress reasons most of which were not her fault?

It is same mentality that claims people that jumped from the twin towers are committing suicide.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

OT fans have forgotten C3PO predictions so quickly?

If you trust a robot over common sense, one is a fool. How many pages is it now to disprove that Padme didn't succumb to a myriad of stress reasons most of which were not her fault?

It is same mentality that claims people that jumped from the twin towers are committing suicide.

They are providing different functions for the audience, but both are providing information, it has nothing to do with them being droids so your C3PO comparison is pointless, it has to do with writing.

[IndyMLVC]

It's a meme. It must be true.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Listen up kids. In the future droids are always right! There is no way there can be a misdiagnosis.

I mean no doctor would ever ever get the facts wrong...

I guess when you no longer have anything meaningful to add to the discussion, this is what we get.

It's only a matter of time...

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

But in those circumstances, no doctor would say that the person was completely healthy, medically speaking. They would say they died of heart failure, or stroke, or whatever way it manifested itself. There would be physical evidence of a medical condition - not a perfectly healthy person losing the will to live and just dying. That's the point, that for some reason has to be repeated over and over.

I'm not sure the people that say "death of a broken heart," are saying what you think they're saying. Yes Debbie was under stress and obviously was more susceptible to strokes due to her health and age. The event was undoubtedly brought on by grief. I suppose had she been in perfect health (at 84) that would not have happened, but grief and stress can be very related.

I don't think anyone's like "oh gee, they died of a broken heart, that must mean they were otherwise in perfect health!"


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[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I'm not sure the people that say "death of a broken heart," are saying what you think they're saying. Yes Debbie was under stress and obviously was more susceptible to strokes due to her health and age. The event was undoubtedly brought on by grief. I suppose had she been in perfect health (at 84) that would not have happened, but grief and stress can be very related.

I don't think anyone's like "oh gee, they died of a broken heart, that must mean they were otherwise in perfect health!"


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You're not understanding what I've posted, despite the posts being very clear on the matter. You have to follow the conversation if you hope to contribute to it.

Debbie Reynolds died of a stroke that was brought on by stress and grief. They have a cause of death that was medically determined: stroke.

In the case of Padme, there was no medical phenomenon that took her life. They made a point of saying that she was perfectly healthy, which means nothing was happening with her heart. (You don't describe someone experiencing heart failure as completely healthy, medically-speaking.) They wouldn't be confused if her heart was failing - they would know why they were losing her.

I don't know how many different ways I can say the same thing...

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

They are providing different functions for the audience, but both are providing information, it has nothing to do with them being droids so your C3PO comparison is pointless, it has to do with writing.

So you are unaware of C3PO making wrong predictions?

Oh I get it, if it happens in the prequels then it must be dealt with the swiftest of swords. If it is in the OT, eh...don't touch it, because it is a religion.

There is nothing wrong with Padme's death or the reasons. As for the assigning the gospel on a medical robot, go for it. I just find it amusing. It shows how far OT lovers will go to find anything and everything wrong no matter how much it makes sense.

What is next, are we going to say that Padme's cry of pain isn't authentic? Perhaps her cries are not because she is going through emotional distress, but rather her selfish behavior of not holding in for the good of her unborn force strong children!

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

So you are unaware of C3PO making wrong predictions?

What predictions? He didn't make predictions, he told the people around him what the odds were of their survival a few times and said things like "we're doomed."

[Member-167298]

Is "FROM STAR WARS TO JEDI" not available on the Blu ray set?

I had it on VHS as a kid and watched it over and over again. I leant it to someone years ago who never returned it. Would love to watch it again. And again. And again.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

Is "FROM STAR WARS TO JEDI" not available on the Blu ray set?

I had it on VHS as a kid and watched it over and over again. I leant it to someone years ago who never returned it. Would love to watch it again. And again. And again.

Not on DVD or Blu-ray but it was uploaded to the official Youtube channel in 9 parts two years ago:

From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga (Part 1 of 9) - YouTube

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

If you trust a robot over common sense, one is a fool.

You're very close to almost seeing what critics are saying about this scene.

You want to dismiss what the medical droids said. Why? Because what you saw on the screen didn't totally add up. It didn't jibe with everything else you learned about Padme over the course of three films.

The scene - as written - doesn't ring true. Taking that scene at face value creates a conflict that offends common sense.

Your reaction is to that cognitive dissonance is to dismiss part of what you were shown on screen.

My reaction is to dismiss the shitty writing that created said dissonance in the first place.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

How many pages is it now to disprove that Padme didn't succumb to a myriad of stress reasons most of which were not her fault?

Disprove that she didn't succumb...what?

Are you saying the past few pages have proven Padme died from a myriad of physical stress reasons and the medical droids (and the people who think it was Sidious) just got it wrong?

[bobbyh64]

Does anyone know when "Episode 4 - A New Hope" was added to Star Wars? Wikipedia says it was for the re-release either in 1981 or 1978.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

So you are unaware of C3PO making wrong predictions?

Oh I get it, if it happens in the prequels then it must be dealt with the swiftest of swords. If it is in the OT, eh...don't touch it, because it is a religion.

There is nothing wrong with Padme's death or the reasons. As for the assigning the gospel on a medical robot, go for it. I just find it amusing. It shows how far OT lovers will go to find anything and everything wrong no matter how much it makes sense.

What is next, are we going to say that Padme's cry of pain isn't authentic? Perhaps her cries are not because she is going through emotional distress, but rather her selfish behavior of not holding in for the good of her unborn force strong children!

C3PO has nothing to do with this, it's about how information is relayed to the audience. If someone isn't telling us what is going on we would have no idea what we were looking at. The sole purpose of the droids even talking is to tell the audience what the cause of death it, the audience HAS to trust what they say because that's what Lucas is telling us to do!! If you're saying they're wrong you are saying Lucas doesn't know how to write. You'll have to give me specific examples of C3PO's dialogue and I can tell you it's function as part of the story.

[bobbyh64]

I agree with Caseyscott. C-3PO is a bumbling nervous wreck. A lot of things he says aren't to be taken seriously. He's a pessimistic droid.

The droids who delivered Padme's babies are to be taken seriously. Saying their inability to diagnose the cause of death might be the result of incompetence because it's possible for a droid to be wrong doesn't make sense. If you use that logic, you could claim that almost anything anyone says might be wrong because it's possible for people to be wrong. You have to look at the scene and judge it by its own merits.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I agree with Caseyscott. C-3PO is a bumbling nervous wreck. A lot of things he says aren't to be taken seriously. He's a pessimistic droid.

Exactly. Saying things like "We're doomed!" or "We'll be sent to the spice mines of Kessel, or smashed into who knows what!" is not C-3PO making predictions, it's him making pessimistic, over-dramatic declarations when faced with adversity. It's a part of his character. He's not a sooth-sayer, he's a prissy English butler-type with a strong pessimistic streak.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by octagon

You're very close to almost seeing what critics are saying about this scene.

You want to dismiss what the medical droids said. Why? Because what you saw on the screen didn't totally add up. It didn't jibe with everything else you learned about Padme over the course of three films.

The scene - as written - doesn't ring true. Taking that scene at face value creates a conflict that offends common sense.

Your reaction is to that cognitive dissonance is to dismiss part of what you were shown on screen.

My reaction is to dismiss the shitty writing that created said dissonance in the first place.



Disprove that she didn't succumb...what?

Are you saying the past few pages have proven Padme died from a myriad of physical stress reasons and the medical droids (and the people who think it was Sidious) just got it wrong?

It is not that I am dismissing what the droid said, it is that it is what it is. They cannot explain why she has went down unless there was A. a sinister motive that takes away her life, or B. she gave up or died because of stress. They just don't know. Where are you getting this crap that I am dismissing the droid all together?

I say it could be all of the above. Nothing worth arguing about.

Droids can and are wrong because they are designed by people (even if in this future, the robots are making robots). I don't foolishly put all stock into one little sentence, especially when it is clearly so inconsequential. You do, good for you. Guess what, nothing has been proven.

Although, didn't George Lucas make it clear that the droid army was inferior to the clone army? Could it be *gasp* that Lucas is making a point that the computations could be wrong? Where in the hell does this mean incompetence when it comes to something so infinitely complex like the human spirit. Wow, you guys take this seriously. I love people trying to quantify human nature.

My point is that OT fans are far more forgiving of what happened in their holy trilogy vs the reality that there are plenty of issues in those old classics as well.

As for examples. C3PO talked about the odds being so much to 1..but then blatantly says that R2D2 is wrong from time to time. SAY WHAT DID HE ACTUALLY SAY THAT? WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

How about another. C3PO went on about the odds of Han surviving an asteroid field...WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

How about Luke turning off the tracking computer to blow up the death star. Yet again another not trusting technology as opposed to the force WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

What about the very fact that Tarkin over-trusted the technological terror that is the Death Star..WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

I could think of more, but getting ready to eat. It is quite academic actually.