Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

As for examples. C3PO talked about the odds being so much to 1..but then blatantly says that R2D2 is wrong from time to time. SAY WHAT DID HE ACTUALLY SAY THAT? WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

Jesus, it's like you didn't pay attention to anything going on in that movie.

He followed up his statement with "Actually, Artoo has been known to make mistakes... from time to time" because he saw the look on Leia's face. He was trying to comfort her because he realized that what he said only served to make her worry more. How is that not clear?

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

How about another. C3PO went on about the odds of Han surviving an asteroid field...WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

Again, you need to follow the movie. He was giving the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field because he was nervous and concerned for his own well-being. That they survived against nearly insurmountable odds is kinda the point - it's a testament to the abilities of Han and Chewie.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

How about Luke turning off the tracking computer to blow up the death star. Yet again another not trusting technology as opposed to the force WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

You're somehow missing the point of yet another scene. It's not about how unreliable technology is, or about not trusting technology - it's about Luke embracing the force and trusting in his own (thus far mostly latent) abilities.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

What about the very fact that Tarkin over-trusted the technological terror that is the Death Star..WHOOMP THERE IT IS.

What about it? Do you even know what point you're trying to make anymore, or are you just hoping that people will see the wall of text and opt out of responding?

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I could think of more, but getting ready to eat. It is quite academic actually.

Might be time to go back for a couple of remedial classes...

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Jesus, it's like you didn't pay attention to anything going on in that movie.

He followed up his statement with "Actually, Artoo has been known to make mistakes... from time to time" because he saw the look on Leia's face. He was trying to comfort her because he realized that what he said only served to make her worry more. How is that not clear?

Again, you need to follow the movie. He was giving the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field because he was nervous and concerned for his own well-being. That they survived against nearly insurmountable odds is kinda the point - it's a testament to the abilities of Han and Chewie.

How about the artist formerly known as genesim missing the point of yet another scene? It's not about how unreliable technology is, or about not trusting technology - it's about Luke embracing the force and trusting in his own (thus far mostly latent) abilities.

What about it? Do you even know what point you're trying to make anymore, or are you just hoping that people will see the wall of text and opt out of responding?

Might be time to go back for a couple of remedial classes...

Uh oh, I got a stalker, and he ain't letting go! Keep quoting with your bad self.

And with that the OT apologist will make more and more excuses.

When C3PO makes the mistake it is comfort. When it happens in the prequels it is gospel. I understand the movies perfectly, Tarkin trusted in his invention too much and didn't listen to his commanders. A classic military superiority mistake. Which as history shows, is trusting too much in the technology. Perhaps it is you that needs to take a few classes.

By the way, as a side note, that Artist formerly known as BS was a pretty pathetic move. I never did understand that...and him shaving slave in the side of his head. Prince signed the same deal as Madonna, but Prince didn't sell. It is kinda like here, you don't get the response you like so you throw a little quoting tantrum and bring up personal names instead of sticking to the debate.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Uh oh, I got a stalker, and he ain't letting go! Keep quoting with your bad self.

And with that the OT apologist will make more and more excuses.

When C3PO makes the mistake it is comfort. When it happens in the prequels it is gospel.

Translation: I have no response to the facts presented, so I will mock, accuse, and generally do anything I can to take the spotlight off of the reality that I just accidentally revealed just how little I actually know about what happens in the OT.

[happydood]

I think George Lucas deals in very broad archetypes & myths. He clearly doesn't care about logic so much as throwing in everything he'd like to see in a movie. I, for one, am all for his approach even when he completely and utterly misses the mark of his aim. It's still charming to me. To be bothered with the 'died of a broken heart' business is to kind of totally misread what he's attempting to do. It doesn't need to make logical sense in the context of the movie. It needs to make emotional/poetic sense. You can argue that it doesn't even achieve that, but that's another issue...

In line with this, to try and pin down logic to any character motivations, particularly C-3PO- who is part Stan Laurel and part Kurosawa peasant- and not see him as the more human than human worry-wart that his is, is to totally miss the joy of the character.

[Hardback247]

So, the problem is that some people take the ideas in the Star Wars saga too literally?

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Translation: I have no response to the facts presented, so I will mock, accuse, and generally do anything I can to take the spotlight off of the reality that I just accidentally revealed just how little I actually know about what happens in the OT.

Oh you got me there! Now are we done, or are you going to stalk me more? I gave you attention, and you said your part. Now can you get on with it?

@happydood I never take C3PO seriously and he is an annoying fellow, but one that has merit. I even enjoyed him in the prequels.

The point I was making, was not a dig at the OT, but rather the fact that some people take a much harsher stance from a pompous attitude that wreaks of fanboyism and more importantly seeing things through rose colored glasses.

What I find comical is how some latch onto everything I say. I say Leia is hotter/younger and it is one of the reasons I appreciate the first film more, so therefore that is all I said?

Same with the C3PO comment. To understand the 6 Star Wars movies is to understand Lucas attitude of abusing power and having too much trust in delivery system no matter what it is. Truly ironic when you consider Lucas own abuses, but alas I take the 6 movies for what they are. Good fun, and not needing to much thinking to enjoy them.

For some, if you have that attitude, it is worthy of slanderous attacks and even to the point of stalking and trying to get someone kicked off a board? Pure idiocy, but that won't stop some people.

With all that said, I just got the SiverScreen edition, and I can't wait for some dual layer discs to come in tomorrow. I LOVE the despecialized edition, and I am looking forward to the real thing now.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

You're not understanding what I've posted, despite the posts being very clear on the matter. You have to follow the conversation if you hope to contribute to it.

Debbie Reynolds died of a stroke that was brought on by stress and grief. They have a cause of death that was medically determined: stroke.

In the case of Padme, there was no medical phenomenon that took her life. They made a point of saying that she was perfectly healthy, which means nothing was happening with her heart. (You don't describe someone experiencing heart failure as completely healthy, medically-speaking.) They wouldn't be confused if her heart was failing - they would know why they were losing her.

I don't know how many different ways I can say the same thing...

Welcome to my world. Also, either intentionally or otherwise, Elvis is messing with people, just walk away or hit the ignore button.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Welcome to my world. Also, either intentionally or otherwise, Elvis is messing with people, just walk away or hit the ignore button.

Yeah, there's a reason he was given the stanky boot before when he used to post under the name genesim. After looking back over some of those old posts, it seems nothing's changed but his username.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Yeah, there's a reason he was banned before when he used to post under the name genesim. After looking back over some of those old posts, it seems nothing's changed but his username.

I called it a couple weeks ago: what is it with members named Elvis and pot stirring disguised as innocent banter?

Help us Ernest Rister! Your gifs are our only hope!

[BladeRunner2007]

Has the original unaltered theatrical version of The Phantom Menace ever been released on any physical home release?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I called it a couple weeks ago: what is it with members named Elvis and pot stirring disguised as innocent banter?

Help us Ernest Rister! Your gifs are our only hope!

Be like Han.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by bladerunner2007

has the original unaltered theatrical version of the phantom menace ever been released on any physical home release?

vhs

[Class316]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

vhs

Japanese laserdisc as well.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Class316

Japanese laserdisc as well.

That's what I was thinking, but couldn't remember.

[BladeRunner2007]

Thanks guys

[Hardback247]

In Episode IX, I think that either they could show a portrait of Leia and have a character glance at it sadly, or they could recreate her in the form of a hologram, in an attempt to hide the CG effect.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

In Episode IX, I think that either they could show a portrait of Leia and have a character glance at it sadly, or they could recreate her in the form of a hologram, in an attempt to hide the CG effect.

Gonna be more difficult to replicate General Leia's raspy voice than her younger version.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

A droid with detailed files on the human anatomy. A droid that's trusted to perform operations and deliver babies.

A useless strawman? I thought we were talking about the Force.

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

No, but the amount you have in your blood determines how powerful you are with it. It's a detectable thing in the blood.

No shit, Sherlock! Congratulations - you've established that the droids had the capability to do a midichlorian count. So what? What difference does that make?

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

There's nothing in the film to suggest her death had anything to do with the force in the first place.

In Star Wars, one would think that if something is inexplicable by conventional means then it is at least suggested that the Force may have had something to do with it.

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Let's set aside the fact that you have no reason to believe that, based on what's said and shown in the movies.

We have every reason to believe that, because of the nature of the Force and the fact that they are droids. These things are said and shown in the movies. What's not in the movies? These "Force droids" you seem to be thinking of.

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

There is no reason for the droids to say that if they're not conveying information to the audience, and unless further information provided that the droids are not to be trusted (which there isn't) then the audience should trust them, that's their entire purpose, relaying information to the viewer.

And what they say is that they cannot explain what is happening.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Although, didn't George Lucas make it clear that the droid army was inferior to the clone army?

"Well, if droids could think, there'd be none of us here, would there?" - some guy

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Arawn

A useless strawman? I thought we were talking about the Force.



No shit, Sherlock! Congratulations - you've established that the droids had the capability to do a midichlorian count. So what? What difference does that make?



In Star Wars, one would think that if something is inexplicable by conventional means then it is at least suggested that the Force may have had something to do with it.



We have every reason to believe that, because of the nature of the Force and the fact that they are droids. These things are said and shown in the movies. What's not in the movies? These "Force droids" you seem to be thinking of.



And what they say is that they cannot explain what is happening.



"Well, if droids could think, there'd be none of us here, would there?" - some guy

My comment was directed at a poster who claimed the droids could be wrong, which would render the author's inclusion of the dialogue pointless.

[Nightopian]

Do you think they will release a 40th anniversary edition this year? Especially with the new film coming out?