Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't understand the sentiment of it "being cool" to moan about the prequels. It certainly has never seemed that way.

Star Wars clearly has had a massive cultural impact on several generations now and the revisionism and decisiveness is wholly unique to a work of art this large. Isn't it a fascinating subject matter to debate? Isn't this the perfect platform for such discourse? It is called a 'forum' after all. You don't have to dig too far back to see people trying to bring intelligent discussion to the table and being met with empty criticism.

I think prequel and Lucas hate is just as much of a bandwagon thing like Anti-Nickelback stuff.

[Class316]

I think it's a lot more than a few people on this forum. Remember everyone on the Internet has been whining about the Han/Greedo scene since 1997.

If they don't release theatrical I really hope they at least release a "final cut" which removes the most hated aspects of SEs

CGI Rock
CGI Jabba
Han/Greedo
altered phrases

To name some

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by MasturB

I think prequel and Lucas hate is just as much of a bandwagon thing like Anti-Nickelback stuff.

If you encounter someone who can't back up they're stance then that's fair, but when faced substantive discourse that is intellectually reductive to refer to people as "bandwagon" fans.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Disney doesn't really need to worry about Star Wars making them money. I'm pretty sure they've already made the money back from their investment after Force Awakens and Rogue One.

I think if Disney does that they release it after George dies.

But honestly, this was a director making his own changes not some corporate executives.

I don't think Disney will release an unaltered trilogy. They may have some ILM guys redo the CGI so it looks 2016 CGI that blends better than the clear 1080p looking effects.


I really do think people overestimate the amount of money Disney would make from releasing the unaltered OT. It's a very small minority of a very small minority that cares about little menial things like that. The only people who've complained about the changes are really a smaller segment of people on this forum. And that can pretty much be said about any forum with Star Wars fanbase in it.

And honestly, if someone that grew up on Star Wars that has refused to buy any of the Star Wars blu's because maybe 2-4 minutes of added/altered footage in each movie, I mean no offense but that's probably one of the most pitiful things I've ever heard. What if they have kids? They'd rather let their kids watch it on TV with edited for time and commercials, than just taking them by the side sitting them on the couch and watching the blu's? Sad if there are people who actually do that. Preventing your child from experiencing such an amazing experience as well as an amazing family movie experience. There's a reason you can see grandparents taking their grandkids to these movies. Star Wars transcends generations. You have little kids leaving the theater in EXCITEMENT after seeing Darth Vader slaughter Rebel soldiers in Rogue 1.

People really underestimate how often people can change their minds. People who own the current sets and don't foresee upgrading to a new set find it easy to say they won't buy the OUT because they simply have accepted the fact it won't happen. However should a suraprise announce of the OUT being released should happen now what do you do??

Case and point. Let's say 70% out of 100% own the current BDs. Let's look at that remaining 30%. Who would those fans be?? The majority is fans who likely don't own a BD player or fans who simply don't want the current sets cause it doesn't have the originals or want a better SE upgrade. For the sake of discussion let's just say 80% of that 30% want the original cuts.

Now let's go back to that original 70% I mentioned. Who are these people?? I looke at it three ways. Fans who simply want SW on BDs and don't care for which version it is, fans who prefer the SEs, or fans who bought the sets cause they have no other options, officially that is. Right off the bat we can tell that most of that third group will get the OUT if it comes out. The first group will likely have a small portion who might upgrade if they are aware that it's different. Then there's fans who prefer the SEs. That can go two ways. You either like the SEs and that's all or you like the SEs but like me your a completist and want both. Again for the sake of discussion we'll say 30% of that 70% would buy the OUT of it were released. Even that out with the 80% of the 30% who don't own them on BD you still have a fairly good outcome for this who will buy it!

[rickah88]

According to some, home media is due to vanish every year for the last five years anyway. So I don't see how having the UOT on BD is a big issue.

[crissrudd4554]

As far as my opinion on the Prequels go, listen the OT will always be my bread and butter but I do not hate the Prequels. Are they flawed?? Sure but what movie isn't?? Every movie has flaws. There's no such thing as a perfect movie. The reason you think it's perfect is the same reason others don't.

I may not agree with everything Lucas has done and I think my bitterness towards him has diminished somewhat in recent years but I'm grateful that he made the Prequels. I'd rather know what preceded the originals than not knowing at all. The fact some think he shouldn't have made them puzzles me. You'd rather not know what happened??

My main criticism for Lucas has mainly been his refusal to let the OUT and the SEs to coexist with each other. Not much else but again Lucas is an artist and artists will be artists. I never have nor will I criticize him for giving us the Prequels. I was utterly pleased with ROTS when I walked out of the theater despite its slight mishaps and it remains my favorite of the PT.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

So today me and my brother watched Revenge of the Sith after having completed The Clone Wars series. It was interesting watching it in that context, and I thought it enhanced the film in several ways. The friendship bond you feel between Anakin and Obi Wan is improved (or even existent for the first time if you want to go that far). General Grevious and his showdown with Obi Wan works much better and has more meaning and impact. And Anakin's frustration with the Jedi Council is a bit more fleshed out.

What still doesn't work about the movie still doesn't work though-- the show can't magically fix everything about the story. The entire last 30 or so minutes of the movie still feel rushed and unearned, and there is still that element of Lucas' stiff writing and directing that rear it's head in too many key scenes.

Overall I think the prequel saga definitely benefits from including Clone Wars into the storyline, and I don't think I'd ever revisit these movies again without at least cherry-picking key episodes from the show between Episodes II and III.

Oh, I've been saying for a while now that I'd never do another saga run-through without including Clone Wars S6 in-between Clones and Sith because SO many loose ends are tied up, and not just for the prequels but for the originals as well e.g. where do Force Ghosts come from, Daddy? Well, when two midichlorians love each other very much...

AND I'm never gonna leave out Rogue One between Sith and New Hope either. When RO comes out on shiny disc I'm gonna do another saga re-watch from the start: Menace, Clones, Clone Wars S6, Sith, Rogue, New Hope, Empire, Jedi, Awakens. Bring it on!!!

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

But again I ask - why couldn't a medical droid be exposed to - and understand - the concept of the force and the Jedi on an academic level? Just because they can't feel or sense things doesn't mean they aren't aware of the existence of the force and what the Jedi can and can not do with it. Were there no books written about the Jedi for the 1000+ generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice? No reference section dealing with the Jedi? Nothing that the droids could have been exposed to in order to better treat wounded Jedi? That's not at all plausible?

What the hell does any of that have to do with Padme? She's no Jedi. ( And how would treating a wounded Jedi be any different from treating a wounded Muggle? )

Originally Posted by MasturB

You failed your hinus

I don't know what a "hinus" is but it sounds dirty.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

People really underestimate how often people can change their minds. People who own the current sets and don't foresee upgrading to a new set find it easy to say they won't buy the OUT because they simply have accepted the fact it won't happen. However should a suraprise announce of the OUT being released should happen now what do you do??

Case and point. Let's say 70% out of 100% own the current BDs. Let's look at that remaining 30%. Who would those fans be?? The majority is fans who likely don't own a BD player or fans who simply don't want the current sets cause it doesn't have the originals or want a better SE upgrade. For the sake of discussion let's just say 80% of that 30% want the original cuts.

Now let's go back to that original 70% I mentioned. Who are these people?? I looke at it three ways. Fans who simply want SW on BDs and don't care for which version it is, fans who prefer the SEs, or fans who bought the sets cause they have no other options, officially that is. Right off the bat we can tell that most of that third group will get the OUT if it comes out. The first group will likely have a small portion who might upgrade if they are aware that it's different. Then there's fans who prefer the SEs. That can go two ways. You either like the SEs and that's all or you like the SEs but like me your a completist and want both. Again for the sake of discussion we'll say 30% of that 70% would buy the OUT of it were released. Even that out with the 80% of the 30% who don't own them on BD you still have a fairly good outcome for this who will buy it!

My gripe is with people who refuse to buy them at all. You're doing your self a disservice by not owning them and watching them, alterations be damned.

I don't care how big of a Star Wars fan you are, refusing to buy the blus now because of a few minutes worth of changes is laughable.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by MasturB

My gripe is with people who refuse to buy them at all. You're doing your self a disservice by not owning them and watching them, alterations be damned.

I don't care how big of a Star Wars fan you are, refusing to buy the blus now because of a few minutes worth of changes is laughable.

At what point did I say I fell into that category??? Unless 'you' was just being used in a general sense.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Arawn

What the hell does any of that have to do with Padme? She's no Jedi.

Once again, you've ignored everything in my post and then responded to something I've never even posted. A cynical man would think this was intentional. It's funny, but also sad.

If you have no interest in an actual discussion, why keep responding at all? It's really childish.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by MasturB

My gripe is with people who refuse to buy them at all. You're doing your self a disservice by not owning them and watching them, alterations be damned.

I don't care how big of a Star Wars fan you are, refusing to buy the blus now because of a few minutes worth of changes is laughable.

I think you'll find that an overwhelming number of the people complaining about a lack of an official UOT release already own the saga set on BD...

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by MasturB

My gripe is with people who refuse to buy them at all. You're doing your self a disservice by not owning them and watching them, alterations be damned.

I don't care how big of a Star Wars fan you are, refusing to buy the blus now because of a few minutes worth of changes is laughable.

I admit, I do get aggravated with all the changes when I watch them on BR. So much of it was unnecessary and added nothing to the story whatsoever. It's damn near distracting.

Lucas was full of it when he said this was how he envisioned it in the beginning.

Love the movies and will keep watching them. I'll still hope they'll release the theatrical originals, but I'm not holding my breath.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that Lucas and Fox still owns Episode 4 which is why we'll never see it as originally shown on BR or 4K for that matter.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by cynatnite

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that Lucas and Fox still owns Episode 4 which is why we'll never see it as originally shown on BR or 4K for that matter.

You're wrong. It's been covered umpteen times in this thread, the most recent of which was within the past week.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I have not seen one single post here that says the original unaltered should not be released. NOT ONE.

Then you obviously missed the first post that's on the same page you typed your reply on.

Originally Posted by yarulbcool

Besides, I bet Lucas slipped a clause in at the end of the sale saying the originals can't be touched in that regard, perhaps just as a middle finger to all these online whine parties.

Originally Posted by kwisatzhaderach

Let's hope so, it's what they deserve. I've been listening to this crap for 19 years now. You think at some point they would stop whining, but no. The final laugh was them slating Lucas for years and then they all fall for mindless TV Movie crap like The Force Awakens. They're idiots.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Once again, you've ignored everything in my post and then responded to something I've never even posted.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by MasturB

My gripe is with people who refuse to buy them at all. You're doing your self a disservice by not owning them and watching them, alterations be damned.

I don't care how big of a Star Wars fan you are, refusing to buy the blus now because of a few minutes worth of changes is laughable.

What about people who don't own the blu-rays because they already have the movies on DVD? I have the 2004 DVDs of the OT and the prequel DVDs. If I ever feel like watching the special editions I can just pop in my 2004 discs. I don't really see a need to get the Blu-rays. And if I want to watch the original versions, I can pop in the bonus discs or watch the despecialized/Silver Screen editions.

[stvn1974]

I don't have the blu-rays because I really do hate the changes that much. Despecialized for me all the way. I do have the three faces widescreen VHS tapes. Not going to justify it either. When/if the UOT is released in HD they will get my money.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I don't have the blu-rays because I really do hate the changes that much. Despecialized for me all the way. I do have the three faces widescreen VHS tapes. Not going to justify it either. When/if the UOT is released in HD they will get my money.

And now you don't have to repeat this again. K, thx.

[Hardback247]

I find it very hard to believe that there were people who didn't even know what Adam Driver looked like before TFA came out. They shouldn't have been so surprised that he looked like that under the mask, because this photo came out a full SEVEN months before the movie: