Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by badfingerboogie

Nah, they're just called the Knights of Ren in the concept art book to my knowledge.

When Snoke is talking to Kylo Ren about Han Solo having BB8, he refers to kylo as "Master of the Knights of Ren". I'm still going to stick with my original prediction that Ren and Rey are somehow more closely related than we think, and that Ren is a name he gave himself. Or it could be a Jedi related name, and it does rhyme with Ben... Also I wasn't the first to say it but I agree with whoever said Kylo was a play on Skywalker and Solo. Perhaps the Knights of Ren left with Kylo when he left the Jedi academy and he called them that out of narcissism. Again, all theories at this point.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

When Snoke is talking to Kylo Ren about Han Solo having BB8, he refers to kylo as "Master of the Knights of Ren". I'm still going to stick with my original prediction that Ren and Rey are somehow more closely related than we think, and that Ren is a name he gave himself. Or it could be a Jedi related name, and it does rhyme with Ben... Also I wasn't the first to say it but I agree with whoever said Kylo was a play on Skywalker and Solo. Perhaps the Knights of Ren left with Kylo when he left the Jedi academy and he called them that out of narcissism. Again, all theories at this point.

Apparently the Knights of Ren are a group of Dark Side followers led by Snoke, who wiped out Luke's Jedi Academy. Kylo is the name Ben Solo gave himself when he joined them and betrayed the Academy from within - like Anakin helping to destroy the Jedi from within.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Episode number...

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

3.99999999999999995

Or

3B....

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The answer is at 2:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HRi...outu.be&t=2m5s

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Having not yet seen Rogue One, I can only say this...
It no longer is a prequel trilogy...

The Prequel Trilogy is here to stay whether you like it or not.

[bobbyh64]

To satisfy everyone Disney should put out a boxset that contains all the versions of the OT with a menu listing every single change in the last 20 years that lets you choose which changes to turn on and off.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

To satisfy everyone Disney should put out a boxset that contains all the versions of the OT with a menu listing every single change in the last 20 years that lets you choose which changes to turn on and off.

If that's what it takes to satisfy everyone, Disney will not ever be able to satisfy everyone. Nor should they be expected to do so. If they put out remastered versions of the unaltered original trilogy, that would satisfy most fans. The special editions already have pretty decent-quality Blu-rays.

[LeeFanatic007]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

If that's what it takes to satisfy everyone, Disney will not ever be able to satisfy everyone. Nor should they be expected to do so. If they put out remastered versions of the unaltered original trilogy, that would satisfy most fans. The special editions already have pretty decent-quality Blu-rays.

Just FYI, the current Blu-rays are not the Special Editions. They have further changes from the 1997 Special Editions. (Blinking Ewoks, Dug at Jabba's palace, rock hiding R2, Vader saying "Nooooooo", Hayden Christensen Force ghost are just some of the changes to have happened since the Special Editions) Both the 2004 DVD release and the 2010 Blu-rays had additional alterations.

Regardless, I'd be happy with the current versions and the UOT on Blu-ray, the other versions (1997 & 2004) I don't need, but it would be cool if they just released a set with all of them via seamless branching.

Also The Phantom Menace theatrical version is not available on Blu-ray either as Yoda was still a puppet in 1999. It was on the 2010 Blu-rays that he became CGI in Episode I. So toss both of those in as well if they are really going to do it right.

[Class316]

Originally Posted by LeeFanatic007

Regardless, I'd be happy with the current versions and the UOT on Blu-ray, the other versions (1997 & 2004) I don't need, but it would be cool if they just released a set with all of them via seamless branching.

I've said it before but I don't know why anyone would want even one version of Greedo firing much less three.

I want neither 1997, 2004, OR 2011 versions

Also The Phantom Menace theatrical version is not available on Blu-ray either as Yoda was still a puppet in 1999. It was on the 2010 Blu-rays that he became CGI in Episode I. So toss both of those in as well if they are really going to do it right.

No one is really passionate of Phantom Manace hence why no one cares.

But two things

1) CGI Yoda is not the only change from the theatrical release

2) The puppet in Phantom Manace was horrid. So this change is actually welcome.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by LeeFanatic007

Just FYI, the current Blu-rays are not the Special Editions. They have further changes from the 1997 Special Editions. (Blinking Ewoks, Dug at Jabba's palace, rock hiding R2, Vader saying "Nooooooo", Hayden Christensen Force ghost are just some of the changes to have happened since the Special Editions) Both the 2004 DVD release and the 2010 Blu-rays had additional alterations.

Regardless, I'd be happy with the current versions and the UOT on Blu-ray, the other versions (1997 & 2004) I don't need, but it would be cool if they just released a set with all of them via seamless branching.

Also The Phantom Menace theatrical version is not available on Blu-ray either as Yoda was still a puppet in 1999. It was on the 2010 Blu-rays that he became CGI in Episode I. So toss both of those in as well if they are really going to do it right.

I consider every altered version since 1997 the "Special Editions." You could call them SE '97, SE '04 and SE '11, but those further alterations were done on top of and alongside the other alterations. The SEs are like a living creature that keeps growing. After 2011, they stopped, all because Lucas will presumably not be involved with any future home video releases of his films. So the '11 versions are now the final SEs, for better or worse.

Disney doesn't need to do seamless branching for all the various changes. That's overkill. Let's not ask too much of them. Do we have seamless branching for any other Disney properties? I can't think of any.

Phantom Menace does deserve to have its original theatrical version released too, complete with that awkward puppet Yoda. It would be hypocritical to not include the original cuts of the prequel trilogy, unless they just re-release the original trilogy, and not the prequels. That would make things slightly less complicated.

Just release the unaltered original trilogy in Full HD/4K and be done with it.

[Class316]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I consider every altered version since 1997 the "Special Editions." You could call them SE '97, SE '04 and SE '11, but those further alterations were done on top of and alongside the other alterations. The SEs are like a living creature that keeps growing. After 2011, they stopped, all because Lucas will presumably not be involved with any future home video releases of his films. So the '11 versions are now the final SEs, for better or worse.

Disney doesn't need to do seamless branching for all the various changes. That's overkill. Let's not ask too much of them. Do we have seamless branching for any other Disney properties? I can't think of any.

Phantom Menace does deserve to have its original theatrical version released too, complete with that awkward puppet Yoda. It would be hypocritical to not include the original cuts of the prequel trilogy, unless they just re-release the original trilogy, and not the prequels. That would make things slightly less complicated.

Just release the unaltered original trilogy in Full HD/4K and be done with it.

Should be

1) Unaltered OT

2) "final cut" OT

3) PQ as they are

Don't think anyone will miss Theatrical PQ.

[bobbyh64]

I think the unaltered original trilogy has more of a right to exist than the special editions. They were the movies that came out in theaters that millions of people saw. They were huge hits, not "earlier drafts" as Lucas referred to them. It's important to preserve films and let people watch them how they were originally seen. The special editions aren't even marketed as special editions anymore. They're a replacement for the originals. And the fact that there have been so many changes to them over the last 20 years makes it seem like they aren't definitive versions.

The original versions are how Lucas made them. The excuse that the technology didn't exist to make them how he wanted to is a lame excuse in my opinion. Movies are a product of their time. It's not like Blade Runner, in which the studio added things, deleted things, and used some footage originally shot for another movie. In a case like that I think the director should be allowed to revisit a film and create his own cut, but the original Star Wars movies are pretty damn close to Lucas's original intentions.

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I think the unaltered original trilogy has more of a right to exist than the special editions. They were the movies that came out in theaters that millions of people saw. They were huge hits, not "earlier drafts" as Lucas referred to them. It's important to preserve films and let people watch them how they were originally seen. The special editions aren't even marketed as special editions anymore. They're a replacement for the originals. And the fact that there have been so many changes to them over the last 20 years makes it seem like they aren't definitive versions.

The original versions are how Lucas made them. The excuse that the technology didn't exist to make them how he wanted to is a lame excuse in my opinion. Movies are a product of their time. It's not like Blade Runner, in which the studio added things, deleted things, and used some footage originally shot for another movie. In a case like that I think the director should be allowed to revisit a film and create his own cut, but the original Star Wars movies are pretty damn close to Lucas's original intentions.

Great points. I think the best way to handle this is the Blade Runner way - Ridley Scott got to make his final cut, but the other 4 versions are readily available as well on disc. I'll never really understand why Lucas was so adamant about suppressing the release of the original version. There's no upside to that - it alienates/angers many fans and cuts off a possible extra revenue stream. He can have both versions out there and make everyone happy, and make some extra money as well from all the double-dipping that will occur. Even Kubrick, a control-freak and perfectionist, was ok with there being a short and long cut of The Shining.

[Bluyoda]

Why, I am so glad wer are finally discussing something new here.

[fontcow]

Originally Posted by MasturB

But honestly, this was a director making his own changes not some corporate executives.

Tell that to Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand. Ironically, the special edition changes were made by a corporate executive!

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I think the unaltered original trilogy has more of a right to exist than the special editions. They were the movies that came out in theaters that millions of people saw. They were huge hits, not "earlier drafts" as Lucas referred to them. It's important to preserve films and let people watch them how they were originally seen. The special editions aren't even marketed as special editions anymore. They're a replacement for the originals. And the fact that there have been so many changes to them over the last 20 years makes it seem like they aren't definitive versions.

The original versions are how Lucas made them. The excuse that the technology didn't exist to make them how he wanted to is a lame excuse in my opinion. Movies are a product of their time. It's not like Blade Runner, in which the studio added things, deleted things, and used some footage originally shot for another movie. In a case like that I think the director should be allowed to revisit a film and create his own cut, but the original Star Wars movies are pretty damn close to Lucas's original intentions.

I read some magazine interview with Lucas from '77 or '78 where he actually said he hoped to go back and redo the special effects for the first film so in a way it looks like he had the SEs planned out somewhat even then. However I think that's just directors being directors. Spielberg said as early as 1995 he wanted to go back and remove the guns from ET which of course he eventually did.

But anyways I agree fully with what you said. I say once the final product is out there it's out there. To go and alter something that already has a history with people can be degrading which it seems to have been for many in this case. I said it before I'll say it again I see no reason why the two can't coexist with each other. The excuse that 'the originals don't exist to me anymore' just doesn't cut it but I digress.

As far as preserving the theatrical PT, I'm cool with that although I'd be fine with sticking with them as they are now. The CGI Yoda and a few deleted scenes added to TPM are the only major changes I can name off hand so I don't really mind the updated PT but then again I don't watch them as frequently as the OT. Sort of a double edged sword in a way.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

I read some magazine interview with Lucas from '77 or '78 where he actually said he hoped to go back and redo the special effects for the first film so in a way it looks like he had the SEs planned out somewhat. However I think that's just directors being directors. Spielberg said as early as 1995 he wanted to go back and remove the guns from ET which of course he eventually did.

But anyways I agree fully with what you said. I say once the final product is out there it's out there. To go and alter something that already has a history with people can be degrading which it seems to have been for many in this case. I said it before I'll say it again I see no reason why the two can't coexist with each other. The excuse that 'the originals don't exist to me anymore' just doesn't cut it but I digress.

As far as preserving the theatrical PT, I'm cool with that although I'd be fine with sticking with them as they are now. The CGI Yoda and a few deleted scenes added to TPM are the only major changes I can name off hand so I don't really mind the updated PT but then I don't watch them as frequently as the OT. Sort of a double edged sword in a way.

Then he realized how moronic it was and put the shotguns back in the film.

[Nicolawicz]

Well, Spielberg is a real director, not a clueless hack like Lucas. Speaking of, the reason Revenge of the Sith seems better directed than the other prequels is because Spielberg designed some of the scenes.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Then he realized how moronic it was and put the shotguns back in the film.

Yep and the irony of the story being that Lucas and Spielberg are best friends.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Then he realized how moronic it was and put the shotguns back in the film.

I actually didn't mind most of the changes to E.T. Not the replacing of the guns part or the removal of the "terrorists" line, but the rest was okay to me. But if having those things restored means restoring everything back to normal, I'm happy to have it all go back to normal.

If only Lucas had had second thoughts about the SEs the way Spielberg did. Or perhaps he did, which is why he kept making more changes to it over the years, instead of just admitting defeat and reverting back to the original unaltered versions.

I feel pretty much the same way about the SEs as I do about the 20th anniversary cut of E.T. Some changes were welcome. Some were nonsensical. Some were pointless. Overall, I don't mind watching the SEs (except for a handful of cringe-worthy changes). I just wish I could watch the versions I grew up with too.

Lucasfilm can't expect us all to download torrents of the despecialized editions. Some of us want an official release of those original cuts. Even if it's a DMC-exclusive or something.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

Well, Spielberg is a real director, not a clueless hack like Lucas. Speaking of, the reason Revenge of the Sith seems better directed than the other prequels is because Spielberg designed some of the scenes.

Lucas isn't a hack, he's just not a very good director.

Love or hate the guy you can't really call him a hack considering how much he's contributed to the industry.