Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by nicolawicz

well, spielberg is a real director, not a clueless hack like lucas. Speaking of, the reason revenge of the sith seems better directed than the other prequels is because spielberg designed some of the scenes.

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[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

Well, Spielberg is a real director, not a clueless hack like Lucas. Speaking of, the reason Revenge of the Sith seems better directed than the other prequels is because Spielberg designed some of the scenes.

Lucas is a hack? Hahaha. Yeah, A 4 time Oscar nominee and one, if not the biggest contributors to modern filmmaking is definitely untalented. If you think he's a hack, then why are you in a forum about his creation? A creation that is probably the biggest pop culture event of the past 100 years.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I actually didn't mind most of the changes to E.T. Not the replacing of the guns part or the removal of the "terrorists" line, but the rest was okay to me. But if having those things restored means restoring everything back to normal, I'm happy to have it all go back to normal.

If only Lucas had had second thoughts about the SEs the way Spielberg did. Or perhaps he did, which is why he kept making more changes to it over the years, instead of just admitting defeat and reverting back to the original unaltered versions.

I feel pretty much the same way about the SEs as I do about the 20th anniversary cut of E.T. Some changes were welcome. Some were nonsensical. Some were pointless. Overall, I don't mind watching the SEs (except for a handful of cringe-worthy changes). I just wish I could watch the versions I grew up with too.

Lucasfilm can't expect us all to download torrents of the despecialized editions. Some of us want an official release of those original cuts. Even if it's a DMC-exclusive or something.

George Lucas said if he had known how much people would be upset with the changes to the Han Solo scene, he never would have done it. Having said that, Mr. Lucas can be a very stubborn fellow, which is why he never reverted and continued futzing with it. He doesn't want the internet to win, in other words.

Spielberg is a completely different artist...when something doesn't go over, he doesn't blame the audience, he blames himself. He responds. That's part of the conversation between artist and audience, while Lucas says he made the Prequels and the SE's for himself, and that should tell you a lot. No one doubts the immense contribution Mr. Lucas has made to cinema. Staggering, really. Everybody has immense respect for him. The blowback on the SE's and the Prequels and Red Tails (and then Strange Magic) hurt him, in my appraisal, to the point he just said, I'm out. People on line aren't measured, they don't take good with the bad...any hint of bad makes something immediate horsecrap. That's not how art works or is ever supposed to work, and that kind of climate stifles art, stifles expression. We should be grateful for art, even when it does in fact suck.

Hi, I'm stepping off the soapbox.

p.s. Attack of the Clones is a trainwreck.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

People on line aren't measured, they don't take good with the bad...any hint of bad makes something immediate horsecrap.

Rather masochistically, I can't seem to quit IMDb, even though it draws some of the worst manifestations of such sentiments.

I mean, 6.7 for Midnight Special?

4.8 for Dog Eat Dog?

The latter's hardly a masterpiece, but it's a pretty interesting piece of genre filmmaking. It's this reflexive "OMG this is teh wurst movie EVAH!" thing that I can't abide.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

p.s. Attack of the Clones is a trainwreck.

Gospel. It still amazes me that so many people are inclined to paint all the prequels with the same brush -- whether that means accepting the myriad flaws of AOTC as being part of Mad King George's "grand design" or dismissing Revenge of the Sith as being cut from the same cloth as its predecessors when it's actually a cracking piece of operatic space entertainment.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I actually didn't mind most of the changes to E.T. Not the replacing of the guns part or the removal of the "terrorists" line, but the rest was okay to me. But if having those things restored means restoring everything back to normal, I'm happy to have it all go back to normal.

I couldn't stand Easter Bunny E.T. hippity-hopping away - it just looked ridiculous, imo. I'll take Charlie The Choo-Choo E.T. running in a straight line along a track any day.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Episode number...

Force awakens wasn't promoted with an episode number...

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

The Prequel Trilogy is here to stay whether you like it or not.

Wow, way to misread my post...
I am one of the biggest Prequel fans there is!

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

It still amazes me that so many people are inclined to paint all the prequels with the same brush -- whether that means accepting the myriad flaws of AOTC as being part of Mad King George's "grand design" or dismissing Revenge of the Sith as being cut from the same cloth as its predecessors when it's actually a cracking piece of operatic space entertainment.

What if I told you...

Everything you hate about AOTC is right there in ROTS.

Everything you like about ROTS is also in AOTC, if you're willing to go into it with your eyes open.

When all of their positives and negatives are taken into account, these films aren't as dissimilar in quality as some seem to believe. They are not saint and devil respectively. It is not that simple. Nothing is.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

He doesn't want the internet to win, in other words.

Someone should let him know that the internet did win.

[dommie]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Lucas isn't a hack, he's just not a very good director.

Love or hate the guy you can't really call him a hack considering how much he's contributed to the industry.

Agreed. I wouldn't call him a hack either. He isn't a great director and the 3 prequels are pretty bad but he did direct the first Star Wars film and American Graffiti.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

It still amazes me that so many people are inclined to paint all the prequels with the same brush -- whether that means accepting the myriad flaws of AOTC as being part of Mad King George's "grand design" or dismissing Revenge of the Sith as being cut from the same cloth as its predecessors when it's actually a cracking piece of operatic space entertainment.

I won't call any existing Star Wars film a complete trainwreck, but I also can't say I hold any of the prequels in high regard. Even Revenge of the Sith is too flawed to be compared to the original trilogy. I will say, though, that Revenge of the Sith has one of my favorite sequences in all of the Star Wars films. The dialogue-free sequence where Anakin and Padme are in separate ends of the city looking out the window contemplating things. The music is haunting and their wordless performances are rather effective. Bravo to Lucas for that part.

But there are many great individual sequences throughout the prequels. Just none of the films add up to much for some reason. Somehow they packed too much story into them, and not enough character. The action was usually pretty first-rate. The effects were sometimes too heavy (with the actors looking like they were inserted into an animated film). The dialogue needed work. The music was phenomenal. I'm glad they exist, even though they have their problems coming together as a whole. We owe a lot to Lucas, despite him being frustrating sometimes.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by dommie

Agreed. I wouldn't call him a hack either. He isn't a great director and the 3 prequels are pretty bad but he did direct the first Star Wars film and American Graffiti.

I like THX-1138 a lot as well.

[stvn1974]

I like the pod race and duel of fates from The Phantom Menace and Yoda's ass kicking in Clones but can't find anything redeeming in Sith. All bad movies.

Lucas was 3 for 6 when it comes to directing and then he went and ruined two of the good films.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

Rather masochistically, I can't seem to quit IMDb, even though it draws some of the worst manifestations of such sentiments.

I mean, 6.7 for Midnight Special?

4.8 for Dog Eat Dog?

The latter's hardly a masterpiece, but it's a pretty interesting piece of genre filmmaking. It's this reflexive "OMG this is teh wurst movie EVAH!" thing that I can't abide.

Gospel. It still amazes me that so many people are inclined to paint all the prequels with the same brush -- whether that means accepting the myriad flaws of AOTC as being part of Mad King George's "grand design" or dismissing Revenge of the Sith as being cut from the same cloth as its predecessors when it's actually a cracking piece of operatic space entertainment.

It's certainly par for the course for people to do that when their perspective is all one way or the other and they don't try to grasp anything in between. To me there's as much to like in Attack Of The Clones as there is to wince at, but I certainly don't defend it to anyone who isn't interested.

I do get irritated at those folks who bash Lucas, or call him an idiot, or try to take pictures of him while he's eating at the mall. He still deserves respect for all he's done, but a lot of people refuse to accept that. They have the right to say those things but I also have the right to call them the lazy minds they are.

I look at it the way I look at other beloved/controversial figures like John Wayne. Undeniably one of my favorite things to happen to movies. Those ridiculous drunken lecture tapes he made to students during the Vietnam era where he had no connection whatsoever to that generation doesn't change the greatness he achieved. He just got old and started acting like a stubborn old person and did what he wanted to do however misguided I thought he was. Lucas isn't much different to me.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

I like THX-1138 a lot as well.

What Lucas did to THX-1138 is worse than what he did to the OT in my opinion.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

What Lucas did to THX-1138 is worse than what he did to the OT in my opinion.

I don't know if it's worse, but yeah, definitely not a good idea. I really wish someone would de-specialize that. Or maybe some dark corner of the internet has.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

What Lucas did to THX-1138 is worse than what he did to the OT in my opinion.

Yeah it's definitely bad.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Force awakens wasn't promoted with an episode number...

Where? Every place I saw had Episode VII attached to it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Sorry it's Episode VII, just like VIII & IX are on the way.
Rogue One is a stand alone. That's just the way it is.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

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[TheBlayman]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

Well, Spielberg is a real director, not a clueless hack like Lucas. Speaking of, the reason Revenge of the Sith seems better directed than the other prequels is because Spielberg designed some of the scenes.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Lucas is a hack? Hahaha. Yeah, A 4 time Oscar nominee and one, if not the biggest contributors to modern filmmaking is definitely untalented. If you think he's a hack, then why are you in a forum about his creation? A creation that is probably the biggest pop culture event of the past 100 years.

Comic book guy: "I will only watch it ten more times today."

That's why he's here.