Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Galactus123]

Originally Posted by Class316

I want unaltered OT on blu ray, but my only grip with the unaltered OT is Sebastian Shaw's age. He is born in 1905. If ROTJ was done filming in 1982 that would make him 77.

Let's assume Anakin was 10 in Phantom Manace.

That makes him 20 in AOTC. 3 years later in ROTS he is 23.

We have about 18 years from ep 3 to 4. That makes him 41.

3 years later it's ESB. He's 44. In one more year it's ROTJ, he is 45. So that's 32 years unaccounted for. UGH!

That is not original trilogy's fault. Lucas made the error when making Prequels.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Galactus123

That is not original trilogy's fault. Lucas made the error when making Prequels.

It says something that no-one has attempted what he did before or since. It must've been damn hard for him because, years after ROTJ, he had changed his mind about certain elements of the story to the point where he had to change the OT to fit with his new films and - in the case of the Han and Greedo scene - because he felt differently about parts of his original films.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

On a side note, does anybody else find Lukes Noooo a tiny bit babyish?

He didn't lose a wife, he didn't lose a parent to being captured (hell he had no memory of his mom??), he didn't lose a child. Hell other than Aunt and Uncle who does not have the same bond, and Oi Wan essentially give him advice lullabies, Luke's Noooooo is the most overdone version in the complete history of Star Wars...not that I don't love it.

The idea of his "noooo" doesn't bother me as much as the way Hamill performed it The idea makes sense - he's been fighting against this villain and now he finds out he's his son? Wouldn't you scream "noooooo" if you found out that Osama Bin Laden was your father? I'd scream a much louder "nooooooo" than Luke did if I found out Trump was my father.

I think there are other Luke behaviors that were immature and they've been mocked for years in satires like Thumb Wars, etc. The thing about Luke's immaturity that didn't work for me was that he was not a spoiled kid. His Uncle seems to have treated him pretty strictly and he didn't seem to have much, although I suppose the same could be said about Anakin.

I had a bigger problem with Luke's almost non-reaction to the murder of his Aunt and Uncle. A "noooooo" would have worked there. It was almost like, "okay, they're done...guess I will go with you." When Anakin's mother died, at least you could see and feel his anger and rage.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I had a bigger problem with Luke's almost non-reaction to the murder of his Aunt and Uncle. A "noooooo" would have worked there. It was almost like, "okay, they're done...guess I will go with you." When Anakin's mother died, at least you could see and feel his anger and rage.

I think that Anakin's slaughter of the Tusken Raiders was meant to echo Luke's response to the death of his aunt and uncle, that the son was quietly acceptant whilst the father lost control of his emotions. Still, it is one of those scenes where Mark could've played it more convincingly. As you say, he seems to be too acceptant of it all.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I had a bigger problem with Luke's almost non-reaction to the murder of his Aunt and Uncle. A "noooooo" would have worked there. It was almost like, "okay, they're done...guess I will go with you." When Anakin's mother died, at least you could see and feel his anger and rage.

Meh, I'll take a silent moment over an anguished, unnecessary verbal cry. Sometimes less is more. Luke's "NO!" is ok, Vader's in Ep. III is terrible, and the less said about the one added to Ep. VI, the better.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Makes perfect sense, and totally fits all of the stories we've all heard about the complete lack of secrecy surrounding the reveal during principal photography. Clearly it was meant as just another piece of exposition, filling a character in on something we already knew, to move the story along.

Well done as usual, genesim.

Wasn't meant to be a twist IN THE END WITH ALL 6 FILMS TOLD.

Believe it or not there are some artists that actually evolve.

Nor for the umpteenth time I am asking you to stop with the genesim crap. I have a new username and I ask that you respect it and stop acing like a troll.

@Zoetmb,

I completely agree with you. Mark's erformance doesn't really bother me, just making a point.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Class316

I want unaltered OT on blu ray, but my only gripe with the unaltered OT is Sebastian Shaw's age. He is born in 1905. If ROTJ was done filming in 1982 that would make him 77.

You're assuming that the age of an actor is supposed to reflect the age of the character the actor is playing. There's no reason Shaw's Anakin at the end of ROTJ can't be 45, despite the actor's age at the time.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Wasn't meant to be a twist IN THE END WITH ALL 6 FILMS TOLD.

Believe it or not there are some artists that actually evolve.

Nor for the umpteenth time I am asking you to stop with the genesim crap. I have a new username and I ask that you respect it and stop acing like a troll.

@Zoetmb,

I completely agree with you. Mark's erformance doesn't really bother me, just making a point.

If someone is banned and creates a new account, that person is headed for trouble.

Anyway, Hamill is terrific in Empire. As has been pointed out by Frank Oz, no less, Hamill's sincerity is what made Yoda work. As for why he screams, "No!" after learning the truth about his father -- he just learned everbody he trusted and valued and devoted his life to were liars, and also discovered his idolized father was instead a mass murderer that he was determined to destroy. I never thought it was cheesy, I always thought it was moving.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

There's no reason Shaw's Anakin at the end of ROTJ can't be 45, despite the actor's age at the time.

Just the ROTJ script calling him "an elderly man".

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Just the ROTJ script calling him "an elderly man".

George Lucas didn't have the technology in 1983 to make Anakin a younger man.

[Arawn]

Casting. It can be a difficult concept.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Just the ROTJ script calling him "an elderly man".

Many, many scripts contain aspects that don't reflect the finished product.

If one were to watch the movies (without reading the scripts), and without looking up Shaw's age on the internet, there's no reason to think that Anakin in ROTJ is 77 years old.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Many, many scripts contain aspects that don't reflect the finished product.

If one were to watch the movies (without reading the scripts), and without looking up Shaw's age on the internet, there's no reason to think that Anakin in ROTJ is 77 years old.

Maybe not 77, but certainly 60-65, no? There's no way the guy in the suit at the end of Jedi was a 45-year-old man, burns and scars notwithstanding.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Many, many scripts contain aspects that don't reflect the finished product.

If one were to watch the movies (without reading the scripts), and without looking up Shaw's age on the internet, there's no reason to think that Anakin in ROTJ is 77 years old.

Lava also gives you an English accent.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Maybe not 77, but certainly 60-65, no? There's no way the guy in the suit at the end of Jedi was a 45-year-old man, burns and scars notwithstanding.

I agree that he looks older than 45, but I've always chalked it up to the burns and scars. That's just my suspension of disbelief. The same way I can suspend disbelief that Sean Connery could be Harrison Ford's dad when they're only 12 years apart. Because the actor's age isn't meant to reflect the character's age. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Lava also gives you an English accent.

Only when the mask is off

[Ernest Rister]

Here's a question...when Hayden is 45 or thereabouts, because of the way that final Vader scene in Jedi is shot, it would be rather simple to reshoot Shaw's footage and replace him with Hayden -- even without digital tools. Would you folks be down with that?

[imsounoriginal]

Putting Hayden into ROTJ was never that bad of a change to begin with. I know people cry foul about what Force Ghosts should look like, etc., but in terms of wanting to tie the movies together it's not a bad idea. I'd leave the current version of Hayden in there (creeper smile and all), 45 year-old Hayden without burns makes less sense than Force Ghost Hayden looking like he did in ROTS while Obi-Wan and Yoda look like they did at death.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

If someone is banned and creates a new account, that person is headed for trouble.

Anyway, Hamill is terrific in Empire. As has been pointed out by Frank Oz, no less, Hamill's sincerity is what made Yoda work. As for why he screams, "No!" after learning the truth about his father -- he just learned everbody he trusted and valued and devoted his life to were liars, and also discovered his idolized father was instead a mass murderer that he was determined to destroy. I never thought it was cheesy, I always thought it was moving.

I reported it to admin. So now that people know is there going to be constant bullying until I am banned?

I have been completely upfront and have tried to follow rules. I have went after no one personally.

As for Hamil not being cheesy, ok, that is your opinion. I and lots of people think it was over acted. So what? Your Nooooo is so much better than others???

Ok got it, and I don't agree.

[captveg]

The biggest issue with putting Hayden in there is that they didn't even bother to properly shoot it. They just used trims from the PT production. At least with McDiarmid in ESB they actually shot the scene.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Putting Hayden into ROTJ was never that bad of a change to begin with. I know people cry foul about what Force Ghosts should look like, etc., but in terms of wanting to tie the movies together it's not a bad idea. I'd leave the current version of Hayden in there (creeper smile and all), 45 year-old Hayden without burns makes less sense than Force Ghost Hayden looking like he did in ROTS while Obi-Wan and Yoda look like they did at death.

Oh, sorry -- I wasn't clear. I meant the scene where Luke removes Vader's mask and helmet..."Now, go, my son. Leave me.", etc...reshoot *that* with Hayden. It's all OTS and close-ups, you could do it very easily.