Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Chris93ny]

Empire strikes back
Revenge of the sith
A new hope
return of jedi
attack
phantom

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by beanham22

No way, Maul was not established as a character because he was supposed to be a mystery, the first Sith to appear in centuries as per the movies. The Jedi were even unsure if Maul was a master or apprentice. It was perfect for Dooku to come in at AotC because he was a Jedi Master that willingly became a sith. Something to compare and contrast with Anakin's struggle in AotC.

I agree with you.

Darth Maul was made a huge deal of by the fans, who thought he should have been given much more screen time.....

Darth Tyranus however, was a much more interesting villain.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

my rankings--

1] Empire Strikes Back

2] Revenge Of The Sith (does not get the respect it deserves)

3] Star Wars A New Hope

4] Return Of The Jedi

5] Attack Of The Clones

6] Phantom Menace

Believe it or not: None of the Prequels get the respect they deserve.

Maybe when the stubborn and short-sighted generation has retired, these films will be re-discovered and considered the classics they should be IMHO.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

70mm SR: Star Trek VI (released 12/6/91) may not have been the first 70mm SR film. There are a number of other contenders, although info isn't solid for most of them:

Star Trek IV (1986), not VI (1991). VI was the first tested with 35MM SR*D (which you of course know as Dolby Stereo Digital later shortened to Dolby Digital).

Gremlins 2 (6/15/90) (maybe)
Air America (8/10/90)
Godfather III (12/25/90) (maybe)
The Doors (3/1/91) (maybe)
Spartacus (4/26/91 re-release) (maybe)

The Doors was CDS, I didn't remember Gremlins 2 having 70MM prints! GF III and Spartacus went out SR, Air America I don't remember (and still haven't seen). Getting old. I threw on the the new BD of El Mariachi and there was so much of it I didn't remember anymore.

Since you seem to know a lot about this stuff and saw a lot of premieres in Westwood (I've only been to those theaters a few times - the last time I was there, they were playing garbage and I didn't go in), let me ask you this: do you have any proof that Woodstock played in 70mm 6-track discrete? This is how I remember it playing at the Trans-Lux West in NYC, but I've checked all the newspaper listings and there's no reference to it playing in 70mm. Coate and others think I'm nuts. My recollection is that it played in NYC at the Trans-Lux West in 70mm 6-track and at the Trans-Lux East in 35mm 4-track. I remember seeing big Altecs right in the aisles for the surrounds (they must have bribed the fire marshals.)

Are you talking about the re-release or the original? I never saw it theatrically, and what I saw on TV...wasn't "my bag" as Austin Powers would say.
So I wouldn't be able to help you on that one...

[Warbler]

since this set does not contain, the OOt, I will not be buying it.

[iheartyogabbagabba]

I'll Buy this if the blu ray releases are unaltered.....

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

I fault the fans for it more than I'd fault Lucas. Just like with Boba Fett, they latched onto a secondary character.

Maul was never intended to be more than what he was. But some fans saw nothing but style over substance.

Same thing happened with Boba Fett. Fans saw a few bits of him and soon enough there was a huge cult around him.

No no. That is not a fair comparison AT ALL.

I do agree that Boba Fett was this background character (and I think calling him a secondary character is actually generous.... I don't even think he qualifies as being that high in the ranks.... I don't hate the character by any mean, but he is over rated).

But really, neither Lucas nor his company in terms of how the films were promoted, etc, had anything to do with this huge following that Boba Fett received. That was completely manufactured by the fan community.

However, prior to the movie even coming out, when all we had to go on (as far as the actual content of the movie is concerned) was what little we got in the trailers, The toys were released, etc, and Darth Maul's face was plastered on just about every toy package.

When the Star Wars toy line was relaunched in 1995, all of the figures had Darth Vader's face on the package. And that was pretty much the case with all of the figures (as far as I recall) up until Episode 1 came out, at which point all of the Episode 1 figures had Darth Maul's face in the same spot that Vader's was on all of the OT related figures.

Maul was a big part of promoting the film. He was bad-ass looking, he had a double bladed light saber.... just from a sheer visual and marketing stand point, he was a cool, interesting character and Lucas and company latched onto that and threw it out there at the fans.


Then the movie came out, and the character was barely in it and served almost no purpose other than to be there as an excuse to have lightsaber battles. And it was at that point that many fans were disappointed.


This is very, very different situation than what happened with Boba Fett. your comparison is ridiculous and doesn't hold up at all.

Now, I'm sure you are still going to fault the fans (as you so often do) for being "dumb enough" to latch onto the advertising and promotion being thrown at them (because previous posts and responses of yours on subjects such as this have made similar statements), and I know you seem to think Lucas can do no wrong since it is his property, but at some point Lucas and Co. have to take some responsibility for some of the things that fans complain about, and this is very much one of those things.

You can argue all you want about people's expectations being too high or out of line in many ways, but this was a particular expectation that was manufactured and put into people's heads directly by Lucas and the people he was working with to market the movie.

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

Return of the Jedi is my favorite and I'm only planning on buying it seperately but I might change my mind when the release date is near. I'll probably say,"What the heck! If I buy one, I'll end up buying the rest." I'll be a Star Wars geek like everyone else who buys it.

[mlittle3]

Originally Posted by leem6453

My Star Wars ranking:

Empire Strikes Back
Revenge of the Sith
New Hope
Attack of the Clones
Return of the Jedi
Phantom Menace

This! Nothing can top Empire, but Sith is my second favorite.

[goshikisen]

If the PT were released without the benefit of the OT to hitch their wagon to they would have been roasted for the mediocre, uninspired film making that they are. The acting was horrible... leave it to George Lucas to get bad performances out of great actors. It probably would have been better if Lucas had handed the directing reins over to someone else as he did with TESB and ROTJ.

I'll be buying the whole set because I want the extras... but if they had released the OT with the extras I would have gone for that instead.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

You're correct that split surround was introduced with Apocalypse Now (actually a few segments of Superman were in split surround as well), but split surround was not used for any of the OT in the original 70mm releases.

By the time the special editions were released theatrically, digital sound was used in normal 35mm 5.1 configuration. (Sony SDDS had the capability for 8 channel, but none of the original Star Wars films used it when rereleased. The Phantom Menace was released in 8ch SDDS, but according to my notes, Episode II and III were not.)

Episodes I, II, and III were released in Dolby Digital EX (in fact, I think Ep I was the first EX film) and II and III were released in DTS-ES, but I have to be honest and say that at least at the theaters I attended (which did have EX/ES capability), I couldn't tell the difference - the hard center rear was imperceptible.

But you also raise an issue which I've discussed in other posts: How come the same people who scream that the only acceptable version of the OT is the original theatrical version also want the films to be remixed, with people usually asking for 7.1? You can't have it both ways - if you want the original visuals, you should want the original audio mix, which was essentially a 4.1 mix.

maybe Lucas could jumpstart the resurgance for five channel front sound configurement for the 3D release of the films, I'd love to hear the 8-channel mix of 'The Phantom Menace' (even if the movie in of itself is flawed) - if Dolby and Disney/Pixar can kick off 7.1 'surround' sound, than resurgance of five front sound (70mm/8-channel SDDS) would be more than welcome in my book - digital projection can deliver up to 16-channels of lossless digital sound. Anyone who's heard five channel front 70mm/SDDS sound can atest the sound is alot fuller sounding

Originally Posted by Indyjones

Yep, it would. Even though Lucas is a Dolby guy, I'm guessing that the SW saga will get DTS tracks, only by going off the release of THX-1138. WB has used both TrueHD and DTS up to now, with pretty much every title nowadays being released with a DTS-HD MA track - including THX. I would've thought for sure that title would've sported a TrueHD track.

I think it's a given that the blu's will have a new soundmix, I believe it was even confirmed by Matt Wood. I'm praying that Lucas doesn't get a wild hair up his butt and mess with Rydstrom's work on TPM and AOTC.

so why WEREN'T the audio specs announced - that's the first thing I'm most interested in knowing.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by beanham22

Beast you definitely have one of the most interesting rankings I have seen.
Mine is:
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones

I can never decide if I like RotS or RotJ better. AotC is a mixed bag for me unfortunately.

No, there is another...

ROTS
AOTC
ANH
TPM
ROTJ
ESB

[Vkingfan]

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it. Hopefully it happens.

[Ite]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

No, there is another...

ROTS
AOTC
ANH
TPM
ROTJ
ESB

[poke smot]

didnt think i would be getting this psyched for these flicks. i was definitly a star wars kid. cant wait to watch these on blu. haven't seen a sw flick in over 10 years!

[frogmort]

1.tesb
2.anh
3.rots
4.rotj
5.tpm
6.aotc

[RudyC]

1.ANH
2.ROTJ
3.ESB
4.ROTS
5.AOTC
6. PM

keep in mind that 1-5 are in my top 20 all time... so take my rankings with salt.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Ite

I know! Shocking that some can think independently. That's what separates Clones from Droids.

[TL OWNS U]

Since we're talking about our personal Star Wars rankings, I think I'll make my own.

1. Return of the Jedi
2. A New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith.
4. Empire Strikes Back
5. Attack of the Clones
6. The Phantom Menace
Many people give the prequels shit they don't deserve. Sure they're not better than the originals, but that doesn't mean they are horrible.

Also does anyone know if Lucas will be making any changes to the films with the BD release like he did with the DVD releases?

[MisterPilgrim]

Well, might as well join the party.

1. A New Hope
2. Revenge Of The Sith
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. Attack Of The Clones
5. Return Of The Jedi
6. The Phantom Menace

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Also does anyone know if Lucas will be making any changes to the films with the BD release like he did with the DVD releases?

Not 100% sure, but knowing how Lucas likes to tweak the films, I bet there will be some changes.