Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Mavrick]

I really don't want to get dragged in to a debate, but an honest question here. Wasn't the theatrical version released on DVD as a bonus disc? I own them and thought that they were ported over from the LD. I know they are not the greatest looking DVDs but they are theatrical versions, or as close too right?

[Geoff D]

Correct.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I find it funny that 3PO's 6 million languages ability is never taken seriously...especially by Han telling him to shutup all the time, yet how many times has it been essential to their survival!

Once!
Return of the Jedi. Ewok village. And even then, it technically wasn't necessary!

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

That's not all you said. You also said it was only released on VHS. You think if you make two claims and one of them is true, that automatically makes the other one true too?

Do you think if you attempt to capitalise on what someone has already said with further pedantry that it makes you appear insightful? Personally I think it makes you appear to be a bit of a cock but maybe that's just me.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I really don't want to get dragged in to a debate, but an honest question here. Wasn't the theatrical version released on DVD as a bonus disc? I own them and thought that they were ported over from the LD. I know they are not the greatest looking DVDs but they are theatrical versions, or as close too right?

Not for The Phantom Menace.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Once!
Return of the Jedi. Ewok village. And even then, it technically wasn't necessary!

In the Ewok village it was Luke using his Jedi powers to elevate Threepio that convinced the Ewoks not to eat them. I think the whole saga could survive without old goldrenrod. Not so with Artoo, though, who genuinely does serve a purpose in all of the films.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Correct.

Incorrect.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Star Wars -Alec Guinness - Oscar nod. Lucas - Oscar nod for screenplay and director and feature film. Film of the Year from Time Magazine. Raiders - Oscar nods for film and directing, piles of critical raves.

Titanic won a shed load of Oscars. Based on this simplistic rationale, that film is vastly superior to Star Wars and Raiders Of The Lost Ark which, according to you, didn't receive one single award, only a few "nods". As for critical reviews, spare me please!

It's worth pointing out that at no point did you argue about the merits of the dialogue in the original Star Wars, so that's something at least.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

In the Ewok village it was Luke using his Jedi powers to elevate Threepio that convinced the Ewoks not to eat them. I think the whole saga could survive without old goldrenrod. Not so with Artoo, though, who genuinely does serve a purpose in all of the films.

Yup.
3PO is just as useless as Luke...
Well... Luke only became useful during the Death Star battle and then became useless again. The movies would have played out the same way regardless if he wasn't even there, with one exception... Vader would not have turned good.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

The movies would have played out the same way regardless if he wasn't even there, with one exception... Vader would not have turned good.

Which is quite a vital exception in terms of the overall story.

[HarcourtMudd]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Incorrect.

AFAIK, the theatrical versions were indeed ported over to a bonus DVD (in 2006?) as a "bone" thrown to the "whiners" (in Lucas' view) clamoring for the OUT, and that it was just a port of the "faces" THX LDs. I'm not sure what the "Incorrect" refers to, here....???

[Geoff D]

As Mav asked, they (as in the OT, not Phantom Menace) are the theatrical versions "or as close to it". Correct.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

In the Ewok village it was Luke using his Jedi powers to elevate Threepio that convinced the Ewoks not to eat them. I think the whole saga could survive without old goldrenrod. Not so with Artoo, though, who genuinely does serve a purpose in all of the films.

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Once!
Return of the Jedi. Ewok village. And even then, it technically wasn't necessary!

First of all, I like you guys, you are more fun. Talking about the films is way more interesting then defending against the haters of the prequels and special editions.

For Episode I-III

3PO didn't have much of a presence in the prequels. I honestly cannot even remember his role at all...then again what did R2 really do either?

As for 3PO in the OT, lets just go with Star Wars

...without him, no convincing of buying R2 as a replacement for "Red" that has a bad motivator. I think the Jawa's were already seen as bad salesmen at that point. C3PO could commune with the vaporators... but lets say R2 would have been bought...and then he would have made it to Obi Wan...Obi was still too old for these sorts of things, and likely wasn't going to meet with Luke because it was 3PO who communicated with Luke to get him there. Sure Luke MIGHT have made it to R2, but again without 3PO, he might have just loaded up R2 because he had no chance of understanding him, and that would be that. Without 3PO he wouldn't have made been stalled to be attacked. You see, the key to 3PO is the the communication. Without him, no griping about being on the farm, and then of course no chance to even know who the Princess (who he wants to bone hard) is on the hologram message. Matter of fact, without 3PO, the memory would have likely been erased from the outright because he never would have been told about the droid being used for the rebellion. Sure R2 was determined, but in the end he was still just a small robot and could not overpower Luke or his Uncle. The message would have never made it without 3PO.

3PO was key to keeping R2 hidden like in Mos Eisley. He could peer around corners. R2 would have likely just came out and would have been discovered by the Stormtroopers.

Which comes back to the communication issue. Where would Luke, Han, and Leia be without 3PO in the trash compactor? R2 couldn't even hold an intercom. R2 would still be asking which compactor to shut down because that is how he thinks. 3PO being a worry wart knows that timing is everything and it isn't important to know "which one". Of course there again, would the crew even know about the Princess without 3PO communicating about her presence? She was scheduled for termination, and it would have likely happened. Without the Princess, I am not entirely convinced the rebellion would have accepted Luke and Han as interpretors delivering back a robot....if they even made it out of there to begin with..without 3PO.

It is the same as 3PO knowing when to get R2D2 back to the Falcon. I believe whole heartedly that R2's eagerness would have got him captured much sooner, and 3PO knowing when to go after Obi Wan's light saber fight is key. R2 can try to assist, but the facts are that without 3PO's guidance it just wasn't happening.

3PO's communication is the crux of the original movie. I am a fan of the Marx Brothers, and he is the Chico while R2D2 is the Harpo...I put the 3 goofballs as the Groucho of the situation. Without Chico as the interpreter of Harpo, the whole thing falls flat...right back to the very beginning of getting the plans off the Owen farm.

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Yup.
3PO is just as useless as Luke...
Well... Luke only became useful during the Death Star battle and then became useless again. The movies would have played out the same way regardless if he wasn't even there, with one exception... Vader would not have turned good.

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Which is quite a vital exception in terms of the overall story.

Actually, without Vader, there wouldn't be any offspring to convince himself of being good. lol

The facts are that Vader never turned "good" in my eyes. He was still a sociopath that cared more about what his daughter thought of him, than saving any rebellion. He didn't want his son dead, not some bigger picture of saving the rebellion. If he was well enough to live longer, I am not convinced that he wouldn't still try to rule the galaxy as father and son.

Dude was old, and was tired of all the nonsense. He committed suicide in a Hitler kind of way. He saw the Empire crumbling, and he wanted no part of that future. Of course, perhaps the "New Order" might have convinced him otherwise if he knew how powerful things were to be in the future and how he might have a much better (though even more whiney) promising grandson. That look that Haydn gives all creepy is the impending choking of Obi Wan in the ghost world.

So yeah back to Luke...essentially worthless. Most of the actions of the rebellion were completed because of Vader. If Vader hadn't of been distracted by the love for his son, Han and Leia were toast on Endor. A good leader, as Vader often was, would have detected the issues on that moon/planet a lot sooner.

Wait...a second, I forgot, the only reason's Han and Leia are on Endor is because of Vader and the set trap to get his son!!!! Luke really and truly is worthless.

I take this back to the "force is strong with this one". He reluctance to blast him out of space back in the first movie is his admiration of a strong jedi that is implied to be at least some strong relationship...like the offspring of a man he killed, or the son himself.

Without Han, no matter how good Luke thinks he is...again, Vader would have made him toast. Han is such a sneaky punk... And yet Luke didn't even want Han as part of the crew???

Luke truly was a dumb ass from the beginning. lol Oh teenage angst, gotta love it....that and raging hormones, I can't blame him on that one. Leia was a hotty.

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Originally Posted by octagon

That's not entirely true. There's a contingent who feels that Jedi was almost as bad as TPM and maybe a little worse than Sith.

Some of us saw the (bad) writing on the wall long before the prequels.

And as you know, I feel even more so in regards to Empire.

The first movie is king, and if the other movies could not exist at all, the first would still be a great classic that can stand on its own. The story changed/retconned once Han became domesticated.

The Han I love is in the first movie. The "never tell me the odds" grown up version is a goofball at best to me.

Carrie Fisher never looked hotter than the first movie, and the threesome's chemistry was broken up and never to really be effectively put together again.

The way they bounce off each other with quips and put down's is something magical..and Alec will always be my favorite Obi Wan...until sequelitis set in that even ruins his performance by having him come back in Empire. The first force ghost is just truly a joke...it reminds me of Chistmas Past as Luke passes out.

Mark Hamil's acting as he says "beeen"....this was a preview of the horrors that were to come in the rest of the movie. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO....forget what Lucas did with the reinsertion, this is the single worst NOOOOOO in the history of Star Wars. That contorted face. Dear God...calgon take me away.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Titanic won a shed load of Oscars. Based on this simplistic rationale, that film is vastly superior to Star Wars and Raiders Of The Lost Ark which, according to you, didn't receive one single award, only a few "nods". As for critical reviews, spare me please!

It's worth pointing out that at no point did you argue about the merits of the dialogue in the original Star Wars, so that's something at least.

Nope. Star Wars was honored for acting and writing and directing, Raiders was honored for its excellence, despite being inspired by sci-fi and cliffhanger serials. That was my point. Your point was that it was unfair to criticize the Prequels for bad dialog and bad acting because the films were inspired by low-budget industrial pipeline pulp serials of the 30's and 40's. Now you pivot and want to excuse the Prequels by criticizing the original trilogy (not the first time I've come across *that* argument, either....it's similar to saying Die Hard 5 is a good film because there are some silly things in the original Die Hard, or the inverse -- Piranha 2: The Spawning is a good movie because the man who directed it used some of the same ideas in Aliens).

I never mentioned the number of Oscars any of the films won, just that Lucas' peers honored Star Wars and Raiders despite the fact they were inspired by old serial sci-fi and adventure films. Because they rocked. If they didn't, no one would be talking about them and still loving them after all these years.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Nope. Star Wars was honored for acting and writing and directing, Raiders was honored for its excellence, despite being inspired by sci-fi and cliffhanger serials. That was my point. Your point was that it was unfair to criticize the Prequels for bad dialog and bad acting because the films were inspired by low-budget industrial pipeline pulp serials of the 30's and 40's. Now you pivot and want to excuse the Prequels by criticizing the original trilogy (not the first time I've come across *that* argument, either....it's similar to saying Die Hard 5 is a good film because there are some silly things in the original Die Hard, or the inverse -- Piranha 2: The Spawning is a good movie because the man who directed it used some of the same ideas in Aliens).

Again, the general reactions to the PT are generally more mixed to positive, and not as overwhelmingly negative as people say.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Do you think if you attempt to capitalise on what someone has already said with further pedantry that it makes you appear insightful? Personally I think it makes you appear to be a bit of a cock but maybe that's just me.

A large amount of your posts are argumentative, offensive little "quips." You like to contradict people with one-word posts, even though they were right in the first place. So yes, it's just you.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Do you think if you attempt to capitalise on what someone has already said with further pedantry that it makes you appear insightful? Personally I think it makes you appear to be a bit of a cock but maybe that's just me.

If you look at the time stamps, you'd see Bobby and me were replying to you at basically the same time. Bobby wasn't piling on, I just type faster.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by HarcourtMudd

AFAIK, the theatrical versions were indeed ported over to a bonus DVD (in 2006?) as a "bone" thrown to the "whiners" (in Lucas' view) clamoring for the OUT, and that it was just a port of the "faces" THX LDs. I'm not sure what the "Incorrect" refers to, here....???

Perhaps ChainsawJedi discredits those DVDs because they were just outdated LD masters released to DVD??

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Perhaps ChainsawJedi discredits those DVDs because they were just outdated LD masters released to DVD??

In Chainsaw's defense, he was specifically talking about the theatrical cut of The Phantom Menace, not the OT. The theatrical cut of The Phantom Menace has (to my limited knowledge) never seen home video release outside of the Japanese laserdisc and the original VHS release.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

First of all, I like you guys, you are more fun. Talking about the films is way more interesting then defending against the haters of the prequels and special editions.

Wait...a second, I forgot, the only reason's Han and Leia are on Endor is because of Vader and the set trap to get his son!!!! Luke really and truly is worthless.

Carrie Fisher never looked hotter than the first movie, and the threesome's chemistry was broken up and never to really be effectively put together again.

1 - I think I should be scared

2 - NO! The Emperor set the trap for the Rebellion. Vader didn't set any trap for Luke.

3 - She was equal in ANH and TESB. Loved the Slave outfit. But hated her Ewok outfit and hair style.