Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[spanky87]

I don’t get how Rogue One is supposedly the most like the OT.

As far as aesthetics go, sure, it replicates the iconography of A New Hope to fit into that timeline, and the VFX for the ships is an assimilation of the model builds of that time. But as far as the tone and feel are concerned, it’s the most unlike the OT out of any SW movie. It feels more like a gritty war movie, whereas the OT (and other saga films) is fantastical and filled with whimsy and mysticism. That’s not necessarily a bad thing since it’s a spin-off and has the freedom to be different, I’m just pointing that out as to why I don’t agree with the OT comparisons.

For example, I can’t imagine anything like that Vader hallway scene happening in the OT just like I can’t imagine something like this happening during the Battle of Scariff:

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by spanky87

I don’t get how Rogue One is supposedly the most like the OT.

As far as aesthetics go, sure, it replicates the iconography of A New Hope to fit into that timeline, and the VFX for the ships is an assimilation of the model builds of that time. But as far as the tone and feel are concerned, it’s the most unlike the OT out of any SW movie. It feels more like a gritty war movie, whereas the OT (and other saga films) is fantastical and filled with whimsy and mysticism. That’s not necessarily a bad thing since it’s a spin-off and has the freedom to be different, I’m just pointing that out as to why I don’t agree with the OT comparisons.

For example, I can’t imagine anything like that Vader hallway scene happening in the OT just like I can’t imagine something like this happening during the Battle of Scariff:

That's the feel the director was going for.

[BuraddoRun]

Originally Posted by spanky87

I don’t get how Rogue One is supposedly the most like the OT.

As far as aesthetics go, sure, it replicates the iconography of A New Hope to fit into that timeline, and the VFX for the ships is an assimilation of the model builds of that time. But as far as the tone and feel are concerned, it’s the most unlike the OT out of any SW movie. It feels more like a gritty war movie, whereas the OT (and other saga films) is fantastical and filled with whimsy and mysticism. That’s not necessarily a bad thing since it’s a spin-off and has the freedom to be different, I’m just pointing that out as to why I don’t agree with the OT comparisons.

For example, I can’t imagine anything like that Vader hallway scene happening in the OT just like I can’t imagine something like this happening during the Battle of Scariff:

[Show spoiler]

Maybe it's the story flow? Or the general feel of the characters, like it all fits better in the original mythos than the other stuff? There's definitely humor in Rogue One, still.

[Geoff D]

I dunno about "the most like the OT", I've not really seen that thrown around a whole lot? But as a bridge between the PT and OT, the digital and the analogue, I think it's wondrous.

[bobbyh64]

Some thoughts/questions about Rogue One:

Do any of the rebels know that

[Show spoiler]Galen Erso created a weakness in the Death Star?

We know that Jyn Erso told some of them that, but I don’t think it’s ever spelled out if any of them believe her. I’m taking about the ones who didn’t die. It seems messed up if

[Show spoiler]ol’ Galen never got the credit for it,

but that’s life...

I wouldn’t mind a spin-off movie/series with Chirrut and Baze. Those two characters were great and it would be cool to see more of them. I know there’s a novel that deals with their lives pre-Rogue One, but witnessing their story in a movie/show would be welcome.

The Rogue One soundtrack is pretty damn good. I listened to the whole thing on YouTube and it pays tribute to and is respectful of John Williams’ Star Wars scores while still having its own identity. Some of those themes are still stuck in my head.

[Magicman38]

Rogue One has its good points like the action scenes and the scenes with Vader. However I’m not a fan of CGI Tarkin and overall I find the movie even more depressing than Episode 3. And of course no opening crawl is a slight negative as well.

[bobbyh64]

Here’s my Star Wars “Greatest Hits” playlist I’ll be listening to while waiting for The Rise of Skywalker.

Star Wars:
1. Main Title / Rebel Blockade Runner

The Phantom Menace:
2. Anakin’s Theme
3. Duel of the Fates

Attack of the Clones:
4. Across the Stars

Revenge of the Sith:
5. Battle of the Heroes

Star Wars:
6. The Princess Appears
7. Princess Leia’s Theme

The Empire Strikes Back:
8. The Imperial March (Darth Vader’s Theme)
9. Yoda’s Theme
10. Han Solo and the Princess

Return of the Jedi:
11. The Emperor Arrives
12. Parade of the Ewoks
13. Luke and Leia

The Force Awakens:
14. Rey’s Theme

The Last Jedi:
15. The Rebellion is Reborn
16. The Spark

Star Wars:
17. The Throne Room / End Titles

Track 1 comes from the 1997 release since it has the shorter Main Titles without the redundant tacked-on end titles music that’s heard in the last track. All the others come from the 1993 Soundtrack Anthology boxset.

[The Fallen Deity]

My "Greatest Hits" playlist would go like this:

Star Wars (A New Hope)

1. Main Title/Rebel Blockade Runner

The Phantom Menace
2. Duel of the Fates
3. Anakin's Theme
4. Augie's Great Municipal Band and End Credits

Attack of the Clones

5. Across the Stars (Love Theme from Attack of the Clones)

Revenge of the Sith

6. Battle of the Heroes

Solo

7. The Adventures of Han

Rogue One

8. Jyn Erso And Hope Suite
9. The Imperial Suite

Star Wars (A New Hope)

10. Imperial Attack
11. The Hologram/Binary Sunset
12. Princess Leia's Theme
13. Cantina Band
14. Cantina Band #2
15. The Death Star/The Stormtroopers
16. The Battle of Yavin
17. The Throne Room/End Titles

The Empire Strikes Back

18. The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
19. The Battle of Hoth
20. The Asteroid Field
21. Yoda's Theme
22. Yoda and the Force
23. Carbon Freeze/Darth Vader's Trap/Departure of Boba Fett
24. The Clash of Lightsabers
25. The Rebel Fleet/End Title

Return of the Jedi

26. Lapti Nek
27. The Pit of Carkoon/Sail Barge Assault
28. Parade of the Ewoks
29. Luke and Leia
30. Emperor's Throne Room
31. The Forest Battle
32. The Battle of Endor I
33. The Battle of Endor II
34. The Battle of Endor III
35. Ewok Celebration and Finale
36. Victory Celebration/End Title

The Force Awakens

37. Rey's Theme

The Last Jedi

38. The Spark


The OT tracks are partially sourced from the 1997/2004 special edition OST's and partially from the 2018 remasters of the original OST's.

The PT tracks are sourced entirely from the 2018 remasters of the original OST's.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

The Phantom Menace

2. Anakin's Theme
3. Duel of the Fates

The PT tracks are sourced entirely from the 2018 remasters of the original OST's.

Great list but personally I would also add "Augie's Great Municipal Band" because it is bright and peppy.... and so brilliantly foreshadows the Emperor's theme...

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Great list but personally I would also add "Augie's Great Municipal Band" because it is bright and peppy.... and so brilliantly foreshadows the Emperor's theme...

Oooo that's a good one. Gonna add that.

[milo bloom]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Some thoughts/questions about Rogue One:

Do any of the rebels know that

[Show spoiler]Galen Erso created a weakness in the Death Star?

We know that Jyn Erso told some of them that, but I don’t think it’s ever spelled out if any of them believe her. I’m taking about the ones who didn’t die. It seems messed up if

[Show spoiler]ol’ Galen never got the credit for it,

but that’s life...

I wouldn’t mind a spin-off movie/series with Chirrut and Baze. Those two characters were great and it would be cool to see more of them. I know there’s a novel that deals with their lives pre-Rogue One, but witnessing their story in a movie/show would be welcome.

The Rogue One soundtrack is pretty damn good. I listened to the whole thing on YouTube and it pays tribute to and is respectful of John Williams’ Star Wars scores while still having its own identity. Some of those themes are still stuck in my head.

In ANH, the engineers were able to find the weakness pretty quickly, so I feel like they knew exactly what they were looking for, which means Jyn would have had a chance to explain it in more detail at some point off screen and used that opportunity to say it was her father who did it intentionally.

Speaking of spinoffs, did you know there's one planned for Cassian Andor?


But anyways, of the four new Disney SW films, Rogue One is absolutely my favorite. TFA is a fantastic thrill ride, but due it retreading old ground it comes in second (but, a strong second, like if these were graded with points, it would be only a few tenths of a point behind R1). The first parts suffer from "moving the chess pieces around the board syndrome", but they're such interesting pieces and showing us new parts of the world (like someone else said, showing that the Rebellion had factions within it) and then the final act is a slice of fried gold and is an absolute showstopper, it makes an awesome film.

And I do think it's tone is closer to the OT. It is grittier, but knowing that it's starting the whole plot of the OT, and it holds so close to the visual aesthetic, it truly feels like it should be considered a part of the 4-5-6 story. Like, if you went back to 1984 or something and showed it to someone (like dubbed to a VHS), they could totally believe it was always meant to be part of the story.

I could even see a theoretical Bluray set with the original versions of the OT and this included as a sort of "Galactic Civil War" set. Make it look like one of the old VHS box sets and I'm there on day one.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Great list but personally I would also add "Augie's Great Municipal Band" because it is bright and peppy.... and so brilliantly foreshadows the Emperor's theme...

And the Podrace march.

Seriously, TPM might be my favorite Star Wars score.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Boba Fett’s theme from The Empire Strikes Back is my favourite - the bit where the Han Solo carbonite slab is being escorted through the Cloud City corridors.

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

And the Podrace march.

Seriously, TPM might be my favorite Star Wars score.

It certainly is mine

[Scott in UK]

For anyone who thinks that Rogue One doesn't feel like the original trilogy but does think it captures it with it's aesthetic and ship builds, well that's at least something then that undeniably contributes to it, but on top of that id then personally add the thing that makes it more feel like the original trilogy for me (and shows obviously that people take different things from the films to what they think makes it feel like a Star Wars film) is that it has a more serious and mature feel to it which the original trilogy also had.

Even tho the original trilogy had it's fun or silly moments, that isnt what makes it a Star Wars film for me. When those moments happen in the OT i dont laugh at them or react all that much, i can take them or leave them, they are just there. And also i was a kid when they was released so silly things at that age are fine, i guess now im older i prefer the serious natured stuff which the original trilogy also had and expressed it better than the sequels do. I dont mind humour in them, but Im not a kid anymore so i dont care for the silly/childlike stuff that's in the new trilogy, (or it's not what makes a Star Wars film for me) I dont watch childrens films, the only childrens films i watch are films i first watched as a child. Any modern childrens films arnt made for me, they are made for children. Those comedy moments aside, the rest of the OT plays out like they are actually mature grown up adults talking and expressing themselves in an adult manner.

Tarkin, the officers of the empire, they are British older gents who convey maturity and express an imposing air of authority. As does Vader. Even cgi Tarkin in Rouge One managed to do a good job of creating scenes where it felt like a mature adult conversation happening between him and Krennic. Actual arguments, raised voices etc. Compare the gathering round the table at the base in Rogue One & TFA, in Rogue One it came across like how adults talk, arguing etc of a serious and believable nature, a sence of drama, and urgency etc. In TFA that same scene is empty & lacking in comparison. Id also say the hallway scene with Vader in Rogue One is more likely to happen in the OT, or it certainly is when it comes to the more mature nature of the OT. Or given a choice out of the 2, that hallway scene would certainly fit more in the OT than what it would the sequels. The sequels are way to child friendly and fluffy to have a scene like that in them.

In comparison the sequels have more of a child sensibility about them, or could be described as having a live action cartoon feel about them. The characters are abit light & fluffy in comparison. The Hux equivalent of Tarkin is like a 21yr old bank manager, meaning someone who doesn't look or behave old enough to be taken seriously in authority, or that he also hams it up like a pantomime character or a cartoon character.

Kylo Ren, the equivalent of Darth Vader is like a teenager who is mocked by most of the other characters, and looks like his bottom lip is gonna start quivering and he's gonna break into tears in most of his scenes.

Even the fight/lightsaber scenes in the original trilogy have more of a serious realistic and raw feel about them. In TLJ for example, that fight between Finn & Phasma was pathetic in comparison and again felt like a scene from a cartoon.

So il take my Star Wars films with the serious adult tone, and others can have their Star Wars mean the silly scenes, like Finn & Rose catching a ride on the legs of a scout walker.

[steel_breeze]

Fascinating reports of the original trilogy in 4K DolbyVision with Atmos on Disney+... with Fox logo intact. I'm not currently a subscriber, but super excited about this news!

[BenjaminG]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Fascinating reports of the original trilogy in 4K DolbyVision with Atmos on Disney+... with Fox logo intact. I'm not currently a subscriber, but super excited about this news!

Hello there!

[steel_breeze]

Activated my 7-day free trial of D+...and A NEW HOPE is definitely a new master; the famous star destroyer finally has green lasers again. Huge purple push is now gone; skin-tones are normal. Looks great... but since all the digital SE nonsense is still there, I'll go back to my 4K77 v1.4 now.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Activated my 7-day free trial of D+...and A NEW HOPE is definitely a new master; the famous star destroyer finally has green lasers again. Huge purple push is now gone; skin-tones are normal. Looks great... but since all the digital SE nonsense is still there, I'll go back to my 4K77 v1.4 now.

Did they redo any of the new effects? Cause if the color-timing is reverted to the pre-1997 look, they won't match the inserts!

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

Did they redo any of the new effects? Cause if the color-timing is reverted to the pre-1997 look, they won't match the inserts!

Doesn't look like they've re-done any effects; all the Mos Eisley stuff still looks ludicrously cartoony. Just much better color time and much better detail with no frozen Lowry grain.