Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I got to see it on two different Blu-ray players, my original Samsung 1500 and now my Sony 360 and it never upscaled very well for me. I am sure the Blu-ray will be a huge improvement compared to the DVD.

Hm, that's weird. AOTC looks way better than TPM on DVD.
What settings are you using, or what's your video chip?

Originally Posted by Beast

I saw both numerous times on the Big Screen and they looked great to me. So yeah, I have no concerns.

Especially since the DVDs of the films look amazing even, especially up converted through the PS3.

TPM doesn't though, but I am sure it will.

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

AOTC I saw in a traditional theater and ROTS in digital. It didn't hit me until my third viewing that the image seemed more...flat...less depth on AOTC than what I saw with TPM. ROTS was a different story in a digital theater. I was in complete awe! On DVD, however, there are some scenes in AOTC that "look" HD. Mostly, the Geonosis scenes (battle). I think II and III are going to be gorgeous, and I do hope that TPM BD doesn't suffer from what the DVD does.

BTW, thanks for posting the link to Eberts review. I totally forgot about that.

I see. Was the screen you saw AOTC on gigantic?

Mine was average and it looked mind-blowing!

I posted it again, because I though everybody had just responded to my latest post.

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Let's not complain about what the pic quality will be like on blu-ray, cause it WILL look amazing don't believe anyone who says that Lucas just started working on it cause that is not true, he has been working on it for a while.

I wonder? how long it will take this site to get a review up seeing as how they have to review each movie plus the extra's,AND more importantly will the one who reviews it be fan of the films cause those people have a way of trying to dissuade you from purchasing it cause of their nitpicking.

As for for me i have ordered the complete saga WAAYY in advance so no naysayers comment will ever dissuade me from canceling my order.

I am pretty sure the reviewers will trash the PT films and give it a 1,5/5 or sth. like that, as it's hip to do so, or because they don't know any better. No pun intended. I think PQ and AQ wise they will all shine.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Am I having deja vu?

Bluyoda you are a true master, how did you get to move your Roger Ebbert post like that?

Lol

[Spymaster]

Originally Posted by watzcoc

what are you on?

his story and image was so large that he decided to break it up into 2 initial acts, then finding it was still too big he cut it into 3.

He then decided to do the OT purely due to special effect restraints as the PT trilogy was not possible at that time as the Clone Wars and the fall of Anakin were just not possible.

Star Wars A New Hope was possible for the image he had for it, thats why he started there.

Some people on this forum just dont have a clue and yet they call themselves FANS!

Um no! I distinctly remember reading an interview with GL way back. He stated that the adventurous matinee-style nature of Episode IV (or the middle trilogy as he saw it then) was far more marketable (especially to children) in 1977 than the grimmer, more serious political nature of Episode I which is why he went down that road. His reasoning being that if Episode I had failed then he wouldn't have even had a chance to make Episodes II and III, let alone IV, V and VI.

And it turned out to be the right decision. Episode I was badly received in 1999, can you imagine how it would have gone down in 1977?

[Bluyoda]

Does anyone know how many pre-orders there have been on THE COMPLETE STAR WARS SAGA until now?? (With link to source)

I am asking because it has been in the top ten of TOP PRE-ORDERS since its availability.

It think it would be very interesting to know, also to have some other high profile pre-order data as comparison.

[JamesKurtovich]

And I'm wondering why he chose to make the PT so political. Yes, I know it's all about the Emperor's rise to power, but I didn't even know that Palpatine was Darth Sidious until I saw the trailer for Episode III so it was all very pointless and boring to me. I was in HS when these came out and they were supposedly made for children.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Yes, I know it's all about the Emperor's rise to power, but I didn't even know that Palpatine was Darth Sidious until I saw the trailer for Episode III so it was all very pointless to me.

I really hope this statement is a joke, because I don't see how anyone could have not known that they were the same person. In the OT, he is referred to as "Emperor Palpatine." That alone should be enough to connect the dots (Sideous should obviously be recognized as being the same as the Emperor in the OT), and then Senator Palpatine being named 'Palpatine' should have started connecting some dots.

And besides that, even for someone who hadn't seen the OT (or only had vauge memories of it), them being the same person was still fairly obvious just from their voices, and what you could see of Sidisous's face.




But, none the less, I agree that the films were a little too "political" for their own good. Especially when some of the politics aren't even very well explained or thought out.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

You people need to stop complaining about the OT get over the fact that the ORIGINALS were crap. Think about it if they were not than lucas would not have made the special editions.

The originals weren't crap. Lucas changing them has nothing to do with the product but with Lucas and his indulgent nature.

The special editions are here to stay so deal with it and MOOOOVE ON.

The special editions did not take anything away from the ORIGINALS it added to it.

I don't care if the SE's are here to stay. I care about film history being preserved and respected and offered to those who fell in love with it and is the reason why they are fans in the first place.

This is lucas's vision not yours and, if you can't handle it than you don't deserve to be called STAR WARS FANS, that's all you people complain about (HAN SHOT FIRST NO GREEDO SHOT FIRST) who gives a S**T get over it talk about beating a dead horse.

Sorry, but it isn't right to go back and change movies. But I guess if you have an army of brand loyalists ready to defend you, why not? And how are they better? They're filled with pointless crap that looks straight out of the PT. Not to mention he watered down both Han and Jabba.

George doesn't know the difference between a good change (removing Prowse's eyes from the Vader helmet) and a bad one ("Three Stooges" droids that distract the viewer and a fake Jabba that gets picked on). Therefore the best thing for Star Wars is to simply leave it alone, imo.

You people are in the minority on this cause for every 1 person that hates the special editions there are 3 people who like it not good odds HUH!

Typical. For every 1 person that defends Star Wars, we get 1 or 2 brand loyalists telling us that in the end, our opinion doesn't even matter. I fail to see how that makes the SE's better though.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I really hope this statement is a joke, because I don't see how anyone could have not known that they were the same person. In the OT, he is referred to as "Emperor Palpatine." That alone should be enough to connect the dots (Sideous should obviously be recognized as being the same as the Emperor in the OT), and then Senator Palpatine being named 'Palpatine' should have started connecting some dots.

And besides that, even for someone who hadn't seen the OT (or only had vauge memories of it), them being the same person was still fairly obvious just from their voices, and what you could see of Sidisous's face.

Where do they say his first name? I thought he was simply "The Emperor" in the originals.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

Wow, just yesterday I thought Starkiller was the most obnoxious douchebag on this forum, well congratulations Starkiller, because now YOU'VE been officially dethroned (and in less than 12 hours). This forum never ceases to amaze me.

Never! I'll never be dethroned any more than you'll stick to your word about not buying the SW BD's. We all know GL has you by the balls...I love it!

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Hm, that's weird. AOTC looks way better than TPM on DVD.
What settings are you using, or what's your video chip?



TPM doesn't though, but I am sure it will.



I see. Was the screen you saw AOTC on gigantic?
Mine was average and it looked mind-blowing!

I posted it again, because I though everybody had just responded to my latest post.



I am pretty sure the reviewers will trash the PT films and give it a 1,5/5 or sth. like that, as it's hip to do so, or because they don't know any better. No pun intended. I think PQ and AQ wise they will all shine.



Lol

No, the screen was about average. It was a rinky dink theater though.
We didn't get a respectable theater here in BFE until just before ROTS came out.

As far as

it's hip to do so

, that was so 5 years ago. It's hilarious how these still living in their parents basement dwelling jacknob whackjobs still hang on to that. Life sucks for them, and the internet is their only outlet. Poor bastards!

[Geologist]

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

the fact that the ORIGINALS were crap.

your opinion I guess. All of us at the time who went to the theaters to see this new movie called "Star Wars" and saw a little bit of history being made would disagree. Back then there wasn't a rental market - you either went to the theater again or waiting a year or two to see it broadcast as the Sunday night movie. You might have thought it to be crap, but it seemed to get a lot of attention - enough to spawn the other two films in the OT, and a whole universe of books, toys, the PT, and a TV show.

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

you don't deserve to be called STAR WARS FANS

I am not sure who put you in charge of security for the Star Wars Fan Club or if you were charged with rewriting membership benifits.

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

NONE of you could do any better, none of you have the artistic quality that lucas or anyone that works for him has!

That is pretty funny - especially since you already said:

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

the fact that the ORIGINALS were crap.

So Mr. Lucas has lots of artistic skills, yet his "crown jewels" are crap....
hmmmmm.....

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

You people are in the minority on this cause for every 1 person that hates the special editions there are 3 people who like it not good odds HUH!

Source? In reality, most people don't care becuase they never paid that much attention. The others who might prefer the SE of the OT, are also those who were born in the 90s and have no frame of reference for appreciation of the OT (and they are probably JarJar fans )

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

...don't deserve anything that the creative genius that is lucas has to give us!

Reference comment above - either he is a creative genius or his movies are crap - which is it?

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

We all know GL has you by the balls...I love it!

Yeah sure, just keep telling yourself that if it gets you off.

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Never! I'll never be dethroned

Ha! You just admitted you're a douchebag!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Where do they say his first name? I thought he was simply "The Emperor" in the originals.

Don't worry mate my cousin didn't know they were the same either. Neither did anybody on the Galactic Senate or the Jedi.

I was watching Ep. III last night and they (even in the crawl, I wonder if ILM charge per word?) were calling Palpatine Chancellor Palpatine not Supreme Chancellor I thought he was Supreme Chancellor?

I think I preferred Jerseyal1976 when he just placked random Star Wars pictures out of cyberspace.

And I'd like to think if you give me 250million dollars I could make something decent. We'd have a hell of a wrap party afterwards anyways....

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

And I'm wondering why he chose to make the PT so political. Yes, I know it's all about the Emperor's rise to power, but I didn't even know that Palpatine was Darth Sidious until I saw the trailer for Episode III so it was all very pointless and boring to me. I was in HS when these came out and they were supposedly made for children.

The politics were very basic and mostly unbelievable as far as I'm concerned. Real politics just don't work the way they were shown in the prequels. Everything was so neat, tidey, and convenient. You don't even have to be a politician to know that's not how things work. All of our jobs have their own politics, and no matter how we set up the dominoes to work in favor of our interests, the whole thing is usually a messy, ugly affair.

Palatine having this near-perfect master plan that goes off without hardly a hiccup is ridiculous. The worst was in Epi III when the entire Republic just accepts Palpatine's conversion from a Federation (that works much more like a confederation) to an Empire.

Not one dissenting voice. Shit, politics is nothing BUT dissenting voices, with everyone grabbing for themselves and everyone thinking their way to run things is the best way.

Yawn indeed.

[Geologist]

but I thought Lucas was a THE creative genius?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

The politics were very basic and mostly unbelievable as far as I'm concerned. Real politics just don't work the way they were shown in the prequels. Everything was so neat, tidey, and convenient. You don't even have to be a politician to know that's not how things work. All of our jobs have their own politics, and no matter how we set up the dominoes to work in favor of our interests, the whole thing is usually a messy, ugly affair.

Palatine having this near-perfect master plan that goes off without hardly a hiccup is ridiculous. The worst was in Epi III when the entire Republic just accepts Palpatine's conversion from a Federation (that works much more like a confederation) to an Empire.

Not one dissenting voice. Shit, politics is nothing BUT dissenting voices, with everyone grabbing for themselves and everyone thinking their way to run things is the best way.

Yawn indeed.

Well, I dunno. Politics and politicians have been screwing people right in plain sight for years and years without much resistance. Remember, when there enough people benefitting from said screwage, not enough of the remaining screwed people get angry and then it slips from the public eye. Palpatines plan did come together awfully nicely, Ill agree.

As for the federation to an empire - Yeah, but he made this new empire sound inclusive and rather inviting so people bought in.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Where do they say his first name? I thought he was simply "The Emperor" in the originals.

That's right. An astute person not up on their SW Geekdom might still have noticed that there's never a "Darth Sidious" listed in the credits, either, though...

Then there was the outright hinting from Qui-gon's funeral with the pan to Palpatine's face following Yoda/Mace pondering which Sith was killed wrt Darth Maul.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Palatine having this near-perfect master plan that goes off without hardly a hiccup is ridiculous. The worst was in Epi III when the entire Republic just accepts Palpatine's conversion from a Federation (that works much more like a confederation) to an Empire.

Not one dissenting voice. Shit, politics is nothing BUT dissenting voices, with everyone grabbing for themselves and everyone thinking their way to run things is the best way.

Palpatine's plans were full of hiccups... he was adept at rolling with the punches, though, and adapting his plans to changing circumstances. He did not plan on Maul getting killed and you can debate whether he planned on the Clones being discovered when they did.

Dissent in a totalitarian state is usually done in secret, as the deleted scenes on the Birth of the Rebellion explicitly showed. Still, did you miss in the theatrical cut when a prominent Senator had a gun put in his face by some clones when he was asking what was happening at the Jedi Temple? Do the dots really need to be connected for you on what would happen to those dissenting in public daring to risk embarrassing the Supreme Chancellor with "emergency powers?"

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Geologist

your opinion I guess. All of us at the time who went to the theaters to see this new movie called "Star Wars" and saw a little bit of history being made would disagree. Back then there wasn't a rental market - you either went to the theater again or waiting a year or two to see it broadcast as the Sunday night movie. You might have thought it to be crap, but it seemed to get a lot of attention - enough to spawn the other two films in the OT, and a whole universe of books, toys, the PT, and a TV show.


I am not sure who put you in charge of security for the Star Wars Fan Club or if you were charged with rewriting membership benifits.


That is pretty funny - especially since you already said:

So Mr. Lucas has lots of artistic skills, yet his "crown jewels" are crap....
hmmmmm.....




Source? In reality, most people don't care becuase they never paid that much attention. The others who might prefer the SE of the OT, are also those who were born in the 90s and have no frame of reference for appreciation of the OT (and they are probably JarJar fans )


Reference comment above - either he is a creative genius or his movies are crap - which is it?

Preach it Geologist. It just proves that all these Lucas apologists like Beast, Starkiller, Jerseyal, etc. don't have any idea what they're talking about, are always willing to believe and defend whatever Lucas says regardless of how stupid and contradictory it may be, and are convinced that Lucas can never do any wrong because they can't get past the fact that he's the one who originally brought this franchise into existence in the first place.

[Spymaster]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Then there was the outright hinting from Qui-gon's funeral with the pan to Palpatine's face following Yoda/Mace pondering which Sith was killed wrt Darth Maul.

Not to mention an upbeat parade version of the Emperor's Theme over final celebrations of Naboo! Yes, it's the same piece - speeded up - even though Williams denies it!

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

The politics were very basic and mostly unbelievable as far as I'm concerned. Real politics just don't work the way they were shown in the prequels. Everything was so neat, tidey, and convenient. You don't even have to be a politician to know that's not how things work. All of our jobs have their own politics, and no matter how we set up the dominoes to work in favor of our interests, the whole thing is usually a messy, ugly affair.

Palatine having this near-perfect master plan that goes off without hardly a hiccup is ridiculous. The worst was in Epi III when the entire Republic just accepts Palpatine's conversion from a Federation (that works much more like a confederation) to an Empire.

Not one dissenting voice. Shit, politics is nothing BUT dissenting voices, with everyone grabbing for themselves and everyone thinking their way to run things is the best way.

Yawn indeed.

I am not a real defender of the prequel trilogy, but I think Yoda and Mace state that the Senate and courts were under control by the Sith Lord. This could have been a reference to some kind of Jedi mind trick that works on the weak; i.e. Jar Jar agreeing to give emergency powers to Palpatine. Politicians are greedy and only interested in their own means, so they could easily fall for the mother of all Jedi Mind tricks as they are mostly weak willed. The strong willed start to creat the rebellion in the deleted scene (which should have stayed in the movie).

Let's face it Sideous was a powerful dude. He even tricked Vader into thinking he killed his own wife and then was powerful enough to make Vader think "Your kid is still alive and I could have told ya that, but its cool. Just go bring your son to me." Guy was a master of the Mind F#$#. So, thinking he had the entire Senate under a mind trick is not really crazy.

Like the usual suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by Chris93ny

I'm watching ep 3 on spike Hd looks great but can't wait to see it in bluray it's gonna look so much better

I tried watching it on Spike, but I hate commercial breaks, so I'm just going to tough it out for the Blu's! My son will be almost 3 then, so he might have enough attention span to watch these all the way through.