Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[octagon]

Originally Posted by bytor_one

Hehe, so true. I think what we've learned over the years is Lucas is a pioneer when it comes to special effects, and has good ideas for films, that's what he's best at, but is not a very good writer.

To be fair, he has had his moments.

The Star Wars screenplay was hardly a great work of literature but it wasn't bad either. Neither was his directing.

And the American Graffiti screenplay was genuinely excellent.

I completely agree that he's a far, far, far, FAR better producer than writer or director but credit where credit is due.

[bytor_one]

Originally Posted by octagon

To be fair, he has had his moments.

The Star Wars screenplay was hardly a great work of literature but it wasn't bad either. Neither was his directing.

And the American Graffiti screenplay was genuinely excellent.

I completely agree that he's a far, far, far, FAR better producer than writer or director but credit where credit is due.

Oh yeah, well obviously the dude built an empire out of a simple idea in his head, everyone respects that. But it's true that ALL of these movies could have been ever better with someone who has spent their life learning how to become a great writer. Lucas has spent time learning how to do a lot of things, and therefore is not the best writer or director in the world.

There are far better Star Wars writers out there. If they ever make another SW movie while he is alive, what would be the one thing that would keep him from handing the script over to someone better than him? His ego, and that's a shame to hold back the quality of something over being a control freak.

You would think with the extreme negative reaction that came with the prequels, and how absolutely horrid that last Indiana Jones movie was, that at some point he will just accept that he's really not the best writer in the world. He's got good ideas, but cannot put together an intelligent and flawless script.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by octagon

If you ever get that time machine finished perhaps you could take a quick trip back and make the same suggestion to Mr Lucas.

I think you can relax...
it´s safe to say Lucas is very familiar with Shakespeare´s work!

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Love doesn't have to make sense, sometimes you fall in love and there's no logic or reason behind it at all. Padme and Anakin were star-crossed lovers, doomed once they fell in love, it works for me.

That´s what I tried to say! Everyone seems to get it wrong...

[longhornsgirl]

I'll be getting the whole box set, even though TPM and AOTC are terrible movies.

[longhornsgirl]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Love doesn't have to make sense, sometimes you fall in love and there's no logic or reason behind it at all. Padme and Anakin were star-crossed lovers, doomed once they fell in love, it works for me.

Until you watched how poorly set up and badly acted it was. Then its just confusing.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by longhornsgirl

Until you watched how poorly set up and badly acted it was. Then its just confusing.

Yeah, that's the rub. Love might not have to make sense but love stories do and for whatever reasons this one landed like a lead bowling ball.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

That´s what I tried to say! Everyone seems to get it wrong...

Originally Posted by longhornsgirl

Until you watched how poorly set up and badly acted it was. Then its just confusing.

Originally Posted by octagon

Yeah, that's the rub. Love might not have to make sense but love stories do and for whatever reasons this one landed like a lead bowling ball.

It seems to me that a beautiful ex-Queen, senator would have a line of suitors at the door and Anakin would have to fight them off with a lightsaber. It was a difficult juggling act getting everything into AotC and the loveplot wasn't 100% successful.

We must remember they are aliens though and those cats do things differently....

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hey, don't forget that Tolkien changed how Gollum got the ring in The Hobbit so it fit better with his upcoming LOTR books. If the internet was around then, eh?

That's a pretty good example! It became Bilbo's "lie."

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by bytor_one

You would think with the extreme negative reaction that came with the prequels, and how absolutely horrid that last Indiana Jones movie was, that at some point he will just accept that he's really not the best writer in the world. He's got good ideas, but cannot put together an intelligent and flawless script.

Again, he most likely won't use members from the American writers or director's guilds again evAr after being forced to pay what he considers "extortion" fines to them in the 80's.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Romeo > Luke

Something tells me if Juliet was aware of Romeo's murdering little animals, whining all the time, terrible delivery of lines, etc., she wouldn't have fallen in love so quickly.

Which is probably why Leia fell in love with Han instead of Luke.

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Love doesn't have to make sense, sometimes you fall in love and there's no logic or reason behind it at all. Padme and Anakin were star-crossed lovers, doomed once they fell in love, it works for me.

You have to remember that the UOTWE's are people that have rarely see women or who have never been with a woman. Whos only interaction with a woman is when their mom goes to the basement to let them know dinner is ready.

[longhornsgirl]

Originally Posted by chip75

It seems to me that a beautiful ex-Queen, senator would have a line of suitors at the door and Anakin would have to fight them off with a lightsaber. It was a difficult juggling act getting everything into AotC and the loveplot wasn't 100% successful.

We must remember they are aliens though and those cats do things differently....

Not that differently in such a terrible way. Han and Leia was done 1000x better than Anakin and Padme.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by octagon

Yeah, that's the rub. Love might not have to make sense but love stories do and for whatever reasons this one landed like a lead bowling ball.

They have to at least make the audience want the two people to get together for us to feel good about the story.

Sure, making the romance forbidden will help the audience empathize with the characters but there's more to it than that. Anakin was completely unattractive in AOTC with his constant whining, crying, acting naive, and murdering an entire tribe of people (would have been 100% better had he not confessed to Padme about this).

I wanted Padme to run away from Anakin.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by longhornsgirl

Not that differently in such a terrible way. Han and Leia was done 1000x better than Anakin and Padme.

Very mature comment!
The love story of Anakin and Padmé works perfectly for me ...

[Monolithium]

Anakin: "You will not take her from me!"
Obi-Wan: "Your anger and lust for power have already done that."
Anakin: "That's where you are WRONG! She loves me truer and deeper because of my anger."
Obi-Wan: "Say wha?"
Anakin: "You would be amazed at what gets her hot. She decided to marry me after I had admitted that I had slaughtered an entire tribe of Sand People. So you can only imagine what I'm going to get for killing some Younglings. I bet she's finally willing to do that thing I've been asking her to do."
Obi-Wan: "I think I'm going to be sick."
Anakin: "Ours is a forbidden love."

[octagon]

Now that's how to write a love story.

[IndefinentBlu]

Anyone notice that with each movie he seems to get weaker and weaker??

For those THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND here goes:

In EP1:
He was able to take on Maul with no problem

In EP2:
He was no match for Dooku and was wounded.

In EP3:
He barely could hold his own against Anakin.

In EP 4:
He was completely weak against Vader.

I mean as the episodes went on he was getting more and more weaker and not able to hold his own.

WHY??

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Anyone notice that with each movie he seems to get weaker and weaker??

For those THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND here goes:

In EP1:
He was able to take on Maul with no problem

In EP2:
He was no match for Dooku and was wounded.

In EP3:
He barely could hold his own against Anakin.

In EP 4:
He was completely weak against Vader.

I mean as the episodes went on he was getting more and more weaker and not able to hold his own.

WHY??

Why? Easy. He got older.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Why? Easy. He got older.

Hey did you get my message i sent you?

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Hey did you get my message i sent you?

Not sure I'll check. Hey I edited my post after you edited yours if you want to delete your message above.