Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[bladerunner1]

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

If you have time to kill, this article is very interesting.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Great, another of the "childhood raping" posts, we hadn't had those for at least a couple of pages .

Those comments make no sense. I'm not sure how the prequels, the updates, what have you, have somehow made the films seen in one's childhood worse. It's just a bandwagon for butthurt fans who don't like what he did.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

New "Hoth" battle footage, from the upcoming Star Tours 3-D makeover...



Otoh Gunga


Tatooine


Coruscant


Kashyyk

Looks like a cartoon version of star wars

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

No it's not. Those are numbers that clearly show that even though most people would like the option there are actually more people who want the SE's than the original. The OT purists are a very vocal minority and I've said that for years.

They put out the individual DVDs with the original releases and they didn't sell all that well. Isn't that enough? Most people were satisfied with the DVD box set. The OT purists like to act like the old non-anamorphic laser transfers sunk it but how many people even know what a non-anamorphic transfer is? How many people in '06 even had 16x9 displays? Consumers just didn't want them.

Lucas has been in childhood-rapist mode for 14 years by now and I think the mountains of money he continues to make year after year proves that the die-hard OT-purists are a small drop in the bucket. Furthermore, how many of these people who "refuse" to buy the SE versions are secretly buying and enjoying them while maintaining online that they're fighting against the Evil Lucas Empire? A lot I'm sure.

I totally agree with you. These "purists" are few and far between and although I AGREE with them on a few scenes and aspects of the SE's, all in all, the changes are welcomed. Han shot first. I know. The Jabba scene at Mos Eisley was lame. I know. otherwise, the vastly improved effects and more modern look was solid, IMO. The dogfight at the end of A New Hope is way better. The cleaned-up scenes look better than any original similar scene. C'mon....

And stop with the childhood nonsense. Your childhood has already happened so it cannot be changed at this point. Geeshus.

Maybe they can find the truly uncut and original versions on a Viewmaster or something. That'll "show George" whos the boss around here.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by joliefan

Looks like a cartoon version of star wars

Looks like publicity stills and not actual footage to me.

[GuruAskew]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Great, another of the "childhood raping" posts, we hadn't had those for at least a couple of pages .

I should have been clearer, if anythign I was calling out the people who use that term. Comparing the digital modification of a movie to the rape of a child is a perfect example of how crazy OT purists could be. My point is that people have been overreacting to that sort of thing since '97 and even so Lucas doesn't seem to be hurting for money.

People want the Collector's Edition, they want the Extended Edition, they want the bonus tracks on the end of the CD and they want to see the deleted scenes. That's the mentality for most people buying media and as such most people actually want the "improved" versions of "Star Wars".

I personally approve of the vast majority of the changes in the movies and the only one I flat-out object to is Han shooting first.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

I should have been clearer, if anythign I was calling out the people who use that term. Comparing the digital modification of a movie to the rape of a child is a perfect example of how crazy OT purists could be. My point is that people have been overreacting to that sort of thing since '97 and even so Lucas doesn't seem to be hurting for money.

People want the Collector's Edition, they want the Extended Edition, they want the bonus tracks on the end of the CD and they want to see the deleted scenes. That's the mentality for most people buying media and as such most people actually want the "improved" versions of "Star Wars".

I personally approve of the vast majority of the changes in the movies and the only one I flat-out object to is Han shooting first.

Great post - you're on a roll....

Han shooting first changes his character from a selfish scoundrel to a much "softer" guy. Obviously his character changes throughout the saga but that happens naturally and takes some time. I hate this change too.

I also feel the Jabba scene at Mos Eisley in ANH is WAY out of place and uneccessarry. Pointless. Of course, lets not forget the atrocious redo of the song on Jabbas barge(I usually skip it) in ROTJ. Other than those changes - its all great with me and I like it.

My childhood remains in-tact.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

I should have been clearer, if anythign I was calling out the people who use that term. Comparing the digital modification of a movie to the rape of a child is a perfect example of how crazy OT purists could be. My point is that people have been overreacting to that sort of thing since '97 and even so Lucas doesn't seem to be hurting for money.

People want the Collector's Edition, they want the Extended Edition, they want the bonus tracks on the end of the CD and they want to see the deleted scenes. That's the mentality for most people buying media and as such most people actually want the "improved" versions of "Star Wars".

I personally approve of the vast majority of the changes in the movies and the only one I flat-out object to is Han shooting first.

You've been quite clear. So far in this thread, the only people that have been using that term are the ones who think the Special Editions are good enough, and need to defend them by bringing up the term, even though nobody (at least not here) who wants the original versions brought that up.
If it's been going on since 1997, it's because George not only re-releases his movies with updated special effects, but tries to bury the original versions.
I think that people always want all of the released cuts available. Steven Spielberg hates the first two cuts of Close Encounters of the Third Kind until he got it right, and still all three of them are included on the DVD. Ridley Scott hates the original version of Blade Runner, and still that version (plus three other alternative cuts) are included with the Final Cut. I don't care that George feels the need to keep altering his movies, but would it kill him to give the people a choice? All we're asking is the original cut of each movie he released, that's not asking for much, is it?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

I personally approve of the vast majority of the changes in the movies and the only one I flat-out object to is Han shooting first.

I hope you meant Greedo.

[kenkraly2004]

I like all six films of the star wars saga. That includes all the versions of the original trilogy the original version ans the special edition and the prequel trilogy. And I see the films as one 6 part story not 2 trilogy's.

[BLU_Until_The_End]

Wow...I've purposely stayed out of this forum for the past couple of weeks to see if the conversation had shifted from the usual "release the UOT on BD" vs "keep the UOT buried next to whoever is in Grant's tomb". But somehow, here we still are debating back and forth. This thread is over 600 pages of almost entirely nonsense - It had (and still has) the potential to be so much more.We are really wasting the time of everyone who is coming in here to look for updates on the BD releases of this epic trilogy. I am a proponent of free sheech, but I am shocked that the mods have let this thread swell to this size without either deleting all of this uneccessaryt back and forth or imposing stricter rules about the content of the posts (Maybe they can't? Homestly, this thread shouldn't be more than 300 pages based on the little info we do have on the upcoming BD release...this is a BD release thread, not a General Discussion thread). Either way, it's time to let it go - BOTH SIDES. To summarize:

1. There is nothing that can be said by either camp that is going to change the mind of anyone in the opposition at this point - that ship sailed a long time ago.

2. Continuing to come in here to keep fanning the flames of your side of the argument does not make you a bigger fan than the next person - it is enough that we all like Star Wars for our own reasons. We are still more than 2 months out for this release. We know which side of the argument you're on....we heard you the FIRST time.

Can we all just agree to disagree on this one point, and try to focus on the other 99.99999998% of things that can be discussed about Star Wars? At this point I would even enjoy the old "the EU is/isn't canon" debate. Let sleeping dogs lie - no one personally sought you out to invite you to the table when Lucas and everyone else involved were deciding what to release on BD. If you aren't in support of what they decided to do with their property, then that is your God given right. You do not have to support it financially - keep your money. If you are in support, that's fine too - be happy. But coming in here and reiterating your point over and over again (I think the technical term for this behavior is "whining") is only going to get under the skin of the other camp and get them all in an uproar, and at this point that is the only possible conclusion that anyone could want by doing so - a cyber catfight.

Let's all take a collective breath and let it go people. All opinions on the matter have been tallied and taken into consideration. This isn't any of those other forums that shall remain nameless - let's try to remember that and act accordingly.

Now, with that being said....I for one can't wait to find out more information about the upcoming BD release of Star Wars

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by BLU_Until_The_End

Wow...I've purposely stayed out of this forum for the past couple of weeks to see if the conversation had shifted from the usual "release the UOT on BD" vs "keep the UOT buried next to whoever is in Grant's tomb". But somehow, here we still are debating back and forth. This thread is over 600 pages of almost entirely nonsense - It had (and still has) the potential to be so much more.We are really wasting the time of everyone who is coming in here to look for updates on the BD releases of this epic trilogy. I am a proponent of free sheech, but I am shocked that the mods have let this thread swell to this size without either deleting all of this uneccessaryt back and forth or imposing stricter rules about the content of the posts (Maybe they can't? Homestly, this thread shouldn't be more than 300 pages based on the little info we do have on the upcoming BD release...this is a BD release thread, not a General Discussion thread). Either way, it's time to let it go - BOTH SIDES. To summarize:

1. There is nothing that can be said by either camp that is going to change the mind of anyone in the opposition at this point - that ship sailed a long time ago.

2. Continuing to come in here to keep fanning the flames of your side of the argument does not make you a bigger fan than the next person - it is enough that we all like Star Wars for our own reasons. We are still more than 2 months out for this release. We know which side of the argument you're on....we heard you the FIRST time.

Can we all just agree to disagree on this one point, and try to focus on the other 99.99999998% of things that can be discussed about Star Wars? At this point I would even enjoy the old "the EU is/isn't canon" debate. Let sleeping dogs lie - no one personally sought you out to invite you to the table when Lucas and everyone else involved were deciding what to release on BD. If you aren't in support of what they decided to do with their property, then that is your God given right. You do not have to support it financially - keep your money. If you are in support, that's fine too - be happy. But coming in here and reiterating your point over and over again (I think the technical term for this behavior is "whining") is only going to get under the skin of the other camp and get them all in an uproar, and at this point that is the only possible conclusion that anyone could want by doing so - a cyber catfight.

Let's all take a collective breath and let it go people. All opinions on the matter have been tallied and taken into consideration. This isn't any of those other forums that shall remain nameless - let's try to remember that and act accordingly.

Now, with that being said....I for one can't wait to find out more information about the upcoming BD release of Star Wars

I agree except that, well, discussing the contents of this release which is already out there is a "ship that has sailed" too. We know what we are getting. So, its only natural to discuss the fiolms themselves and/or content.

In other words, threads get dull quick if we just discuss bit rates, audio codecs, and film versions, especially when we already know all of that.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

I agree except that, well, discussing the contents of this release which is already out there is a "ship that has sailed" too. We know what we are getting. So, its only natural to discuss the fiolms themselves and/or content.

In other words, threads get dull quick if we just discuss bit rates, audio codecs, and film versions, especially when we already know all of that.

And when/where did they release that information? And could you post a link?

If not, then I'm afraid the above poster has a point: this thread is indeedthe most worthless thread in the forum.

As far as I know nothing concrete has been announced in regards to those specs, so there's still plenty to discuss. And that's not including the cover art!

[BLU_Until_The_End]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

I agree except that, well, discussing the contents of this release which is already out there is a "ship that has sailed" too. We know what we are getting. So, its only natural to discuss the fiolms themselves and/or content.

In other words, threads get dull quick if we just discuss bit rates, audio codecs, and film versions, especially when we already know all of that.

So arguing for the sake of arguing is the solution? That makes no sense at all. Has there been a definiteve confirmation from Lucas or Fox that has outlined all of the featurettes, deleted scenes, A/V codecs, commentary tracks, etc. that will be included in this release? If so, I must have missed it due to all of the bickering.

Is it a crime to let a thread go into stasis until some credible news about the release is discovered? God forbid we have to be "bored" when it comes to a Star Wars thread for a few minutes of our lives. Star Wars does not have to be the "soup du jour" all the time. There are thousands of other threads on this site to keep us entertained. Take off the Han Solo t-shirts and live a little until there is actually something to talk about. Or - here's a kicker - talk about something else. I for one know my way comfortablly around the Star Wars universe, but I always find it amazing when someone comes in and shares something that I did not know previously, canon or not...maybe we could try that for a while? Or something similar? I am literally imploring this community of Star Wars fans for ANYTHING besides the same old song and dance. Disco is dead....why are we still shaking our bootys?

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I like all six films of the star wars saga. That includes all the versions of the original trilogy the original version ans the special edition and the prequel trilogy. And I see the films as one 6 part story not 2 trilogy's.

Well that seems to make 2 of us

[KubrickFan]

By the way, does the new Lucasfilm Animation building in Singapore remind you of anything?

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by BLU_Until_The_End

Wow...I've purposely stayed out of this forum for the past couple of weeks to see if the conversation had shifted from the usual "release the UOT on BD" vs "keep the UOT buried next to whoever is in Grant's tomb". But somehow, here we still are debating back and forth. This thread is over 600 pages of almost entirely nonsense - It had (and still has) the potential to be so much more.We are really wasting the time of everyone who is coming in here to look for updates on the BD releases of this epic trilogy. I am a proponent of free sheech, but I am shocked that the mods have let this thread swell to this size without either deleting all of this uneccessaryt back and forth or imposing stricter rules about the content of the posts (Maybe they can't? Homestly, this thread shouldn't be more than 300 pages based on the little info we do have on the upcoming BD release...this is a BD release thread, not a General Discussion thread). Either way, it's time to let it go - BOTH SIDES. To summarize:

1. There is nothing that can be said by either camp that is going to change the mind of anyone in the opposition at this point - that ship sailed a long time ago.

2. Continuing to come in here to keep fanning the flames of your side of the argument does not make you a bigger fan than the next person - it is enough that we all like Star Wars for our own reasons. We are still more than 2 months out for this release. We know which side of the argument you're on....we heard you the FIRST time.

Can we all just agree to disagree on this one point, and try to focus on the other 99.99999998% of things that can be discussed about Star Wars? At this point I would even enjoy the old "the EU is/isn't canon" debate. Let sleeping dogs lie - no one personally sought you out to invite you to the table when Lucas and everyone else involved were deciding what to release on BD. If you aren't in support of what they decided to do with their property, then that is your God given right. You do not have to support it financially - keep your money. If you are in support, that's fine too - be happy. But coming in here and reiterating your point over and over again (I think the technical term for this behavior is "whining") is only going to get under the skin of the other camp and get them all in an uproar, and at this point that is the only possible conclusion that anyone could want by doing so - a cyber catfight.

Let's all take a collective breath and let it go people. All opinions on the matter have been tallied and taken into consideration. This isn't any of those other forums that shall remain nameless - let's try to remember that and act accordingly.

Now, with that being said....I for one can't wait to find out more information about the upcoming BD release of Star Wars

This is the best post i have ever read and so true. I am sure we can leave the Star wars tread for a few months and wait till we get further detail on the upcomming box sets .

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

By the way, does the new Lucasfilm Animation building in Singapore remind you of anything?

Are the Jawas?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by BLU_Until_The_End

So arguing for the sake of arguing is the solution? That makes no sense at all. Has there been a definiteve confirmation from Lucas or Fox that has outlined all of the featurettes, deleted scenes, A/V codecs, commentary tracks, etc. that will be included in this release? If so, I must have missed it due to all of the bickering.

Is it a crime to let a thread go into stasis until some credible news about the release is discovered? God forbid we have to be "bored" when it comes to a Star Wars thread for a few minutes of our lives. Star Wars does not have to be the "soup du jour" all the time. There are thousands of other threads on this site to keep us entertained. Take off the Han Solo t-shirts and live a little until there is actually something to talk about. Or - here's a kicker - talk about something else. I for one know my way comfortablly around the Star Wars universe, but I always find it amazing when someone comes in and shares something that I did not know previously, canon or not...maybe we could try that for a while? Or something similar? I am literally imploring this community of Star Wars fans for ANYTHING besides the same old song and dance. Disco is dead....why are we still shaking our bootys?

Ok, fine then. Lets let it chill. Gee whizzer.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by BLU_Until_The_End

Wow...I've purposely stayed out of this forum for the past couple of weeks to see if the conversation had shifted from the usual "release the UOT on BD" vs "keep the UOT buried next to whoever is in Grant's tomb". But somehow, here we still are debating back and forth. This thread is over 600 pages of almost entirely nonsense - It had (and still has) the potential to be so much more.We are really wasting the time of everyone who is coming in here to look for updates on the BD releases of this epic trilogy. I am a proponent of free sheech, but I am shocked that the mods have let this thread swell to this size without either deleting all of this uneccessaryt back and forth or imposing stricter rules about the content of the posts (Maybe they can't? Homestly, this thread shouldn't be more than 300 pages based on the little info we do have on the upcoming BD release...this is a BD release thread, not a General Discussion thread). Either way, it's time to let it go - BOTH SIDES. To summarize:

1. There is nothing that can be said by either camp that is going to change the mind of anyone in the opposition at this point - that ship sailed a long time ago.

2. Continuing to come in here to keep fanning the flames of your side of the argument does not make you a bigger fan than the next person - it is enough that we all like Star Wars for our own reasons. We are still more than 2 months out for this release. We know which side of the argument you're on....we heard you the FIRST time.

Can we all just agree to disagree on this one point, and try to focus on the other 99.99999998% of things that can be discussed about Star Wars? At this point I would even enjoy the old "the EU is/isn't canon" debate. Let sleeping dogs lie - no one personally sought you out to invite you to the table when Lucas and everyone else involved were deciding what to release on BD. If you aren't in support of what they decided to do with their property, then that is your God given right. You do not have to support it financially - keep your money. If you are in support, that's fine too - be happy. But coming in here and reiterating your point over and over again (I think the technical term for this behavior is "whining") is only going to get under the skin of the other camp and get them all in an uproar, and at this point that is the only possible conclusion that anyone could want by doing so - a cyber catfight.

Let's all take a collective breath and let it go people. All opinions on the matter have been tallied and taken into consideration. This isn't any of those other forums that shall remain nameless - let's try to remember that and act accordingly.

Now, with that being said....I for one can't wait to find out more information about the upcoming BD release of Star Wars

You lost me right there. EPIC FAIL!

Besides that I agree with you that beating this dead horse isn't exactly useful.

I hope we will get some official info sometime soon now!

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

By the way, does the new Lucasfilm Animation building in Singapore remind you of anything?

[Show spoiler]

Should it?






Cool find!