Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Why should he do that? The effects in the PT are way better.
They already had to hold back with Yoda, due to his existence in the OT.
Enough is enough.

I´ll never get why people want worse visuals... has to be something psychological. The one thing that´s bugging me about the so called Special Edition (don´t like the term) is that it´s not really done to the end. I mean after having seen Episodes 1-3 wouldn´t you expect to see more Alderaan in their sequels? Or if you were told that a whole planet is going to be destroyed by the Empire in the movie following Episode 3... what would you picture the destruction to look like? I think the whole saga is almost perfect with the exception of less exotic settings and inferior effects in the sequels (4-6)... but thal can and hopefully will be fixed!

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I´ll never get why people want worse visuals... has to be something psychological. The one thing that´s bugging me about the so called Special Edition (don´t like the term) is that it´s not really done to the end. I mean after having seen Episodes 1-3 wouldn´t you expect to see more Alderaan in their sequels? Or if you were told that a whole planet is going to be destroyed by the Empire in the movie following Episode 3... what would you picture the destruction to look like? I think the whole saga is almost perfect with the exception of less exotic settings and inferior effects in the sequels (4-6)... but thal can and hopefully will be fixed!

Because special effects does not a story make. Because Less is almost always more...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Because special effects does not a story make. Because Less is almost always more...

Must be sarcasm because this is Star Wars we're talking about here.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Must be sarcasm because this is Star Wars we're talking about here.

Not at all...less is always more. Why does Star Wars have to be laden with updated special effects? Sure it had special effects in 1977 (the most to date back then) but thats not what DROVE the story! Thats not what made the films popular. We didn't need to Han run into 100 storm troopers on the Death Star as 5 or 6 was good enough. Too many films today rely on effects to carry them, just like what happended in the case of Clones and Sith...

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Not at all...less is always more. Why does Star Wars have to be laden with updated special effects? Sure it had special effects in 1977 (the most to date back then) but thats not what DROVE the story! Thats not what made the films popular. We didn't need to Han run into 100 storm troopers on the Death Star as 5 or 6 was good enough. Too many films today rely on effects to carry them, just like what happended in the case of Clones and Sith...

yep.

ask Speed Racer how great it was because the visuals were awesome.

...oh wait...

[shelldweller]

This is just ridiculous! Are you actually saying that worse effects make the story better?

[Blu-man08]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I have no idea where people get this distorted image of Lucas from...
And what is the problem with the Special Edition?

I didn't say anything about my image of Lucas. Nobody on these boards can really say they have an accurate image of the man. In any case, my speculation is based on the impression I have that no one in Lucas' camp says "no" to the man. Just my never-humble opinion.

As to the problem with the Special Edition, if you'll meet me in the appropriate thread I'd be happy to take you to school.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I´ll never get why people want worse visuals... has to be something psychological. The one thing that´s bugging me about the so called Special Edition (don´t like the term) is that it´s not really done to the end. I mean after having seen Episodes 1-3 wouldn´t you expect to see more Alderaan in their sequels? Or if you were told that a whole planet is going to be destroyed by the Empire in the movie following Episode 3... what would you picture the destruction to look like? I think the whole saga is almost perfect with the exception of less exotic settings and inferior effects in the sequels (4-6)... but thal can and hopefully will be fixed!

Exactly! I really hope that this time he is going all the way, since it's the first time all 6 Episodes are out, and have been for years, he can finally tweak them so that they form one smooth whole Saga. The Alderaan explosion should be absolutely mind-blowing!!!
There a quite a few things that stand out like a sore thumb, but this is one I have been dreaming of a change for a long time.

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Not at all...less is always more. Why does Star Wars have to be laden with updated special effects? Sure it had special effects in 1977 (the most to date back then) but thats not what DROVE the story! Thats not what made the films popular. We didn't need to Han run into 100 storm troopers on the Death Star as 5 or 6 was good enough. Too many films today rely on effects to carry them, just like what happended in the case of Clones and Sith...

How about having both? We already have the best story ever told, now we can have it told more realistically, convincingly...
I don't see your problem.

Look at The Tree of Life. Just because it has a deep story doesn't mean it has to be ugly looking, right?

I agree that effects must never overwhelm the story, or even compensate for the lack thereof, but that has never been a problem with the SW films anyway, so I think the request is a very reasonable one.

Cheers

[Canada]

I just saw Revenge of the Sith in HD in 1080i and it looked absolutely amazing so in 1080p, oh boy.

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Just wait the argument will eventually make its way back to "Well in the EU book such and such it's explained. You just don't know how many times I have heard that.

But back to the Blu Ray releases.....who else thinks we are going to get shortchanged on the extras in regards to the pre 1999 stuff.

Apparently the docs on the blu's are some of the early ones from original VHS releases. At least that's what I heard.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by KrugStillo

Apparently the docs on the blu's are some of the early ones from original VHS releases. At least that's what I heard.

Yep. They're including:

1. The Making of Star Wars
2. Empire Strikes Back: SPFX
3. Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi

Oddly, unless it's buried on disc 8, which I doubt, they're leaving off "From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga". Number four of the four docs. There were four original "making-of" docs from the OT. Apparently, we're getting the three above but the fourth is being left off in favor of using almost four hours of disc space on spoofs, fans in stormtrooper outfits, and scientists pontificating about the technology of Star Wars. We're also missing "Empire of Dreams", the 2004 comprehensive OT documentary from the DVD set of that year. The two docs being left off total 216 minutes. The three "interesting" extras I listed above are 221 minutes.

"From Star Wars to Jedi" is 65 minutes long. Almost 40 minutes of it contains exclusive material not present on the other three. Things like more behind-the-scenes on ROTJ, making the speeder bike chase, and exclusive interviews with George Lucas. Personally, I think it's what he says in the interviews that is causing this doc to be left off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMWTDwogbo

[greg_achen]

Is there any hope of George Lucas replacing the temp tracks used in Episode II and III with actual original musical score written by John Williams? If not the Blu Ray release, surely he can put a little more money into them for the 3D re-releases. If Peter Jackson can pay Howard Shore to create new music to fit the Extended Editions, I see no reason why George Lucas couldn't shelve out some more money to give Episodes II and III the proper scoring they deserve. It's not like he won't make it back and then some in profits from the Blu Rays and the re-releases. I even hate how the track loops itself in the scene where Anakin confesses killing the Tuskens in Episode II. In the DVD version he added the unnecessary line "I am a Jedi. I know I'm better than this," effectively butchering one of the most powerful musical moments in the film. I blame Ben Burtt for a large part of the mess that became of Episode II's score, but George Lucas ultimately let him do it.

[crazyBLUE]

Lets just discuss the new BD Star Wars Release !

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Is there any hope of George Lucas replacing the temp tracks used in Episode II and III with actual original musical score written by John Williams? If not the Blu Ray release, surely he can put a little more money into them for the 3D re-releases. If Peter Jackson can pay Howard Shore to create new music to fit the Extended Editions, I see no reason why George Lucas couldn't shelve out some more money to give Episodes II and III the proper scoring they deserve. It's not like he won't make it back and then some in profits from the Blu Rays and the re-releases. I even hate how the track loops itself in the scene where Anakin confesses killing the Tuskens in Episode II. In the DVD version he added the unnecessary line "I am a Jedi. I know I'm better than this," effectively butchering one of the most powerful musical moments in the film. I blame Ben Burtt for a large part of the mess that became of Episode II's score, but George Lucas ultimately let him do it.

No blame should be placed on Ben Burtt for the way the score is heard in the movie. He was the film editor and had nothing to do with the editing of the music. That credit goes to an actual "Music Editor". They are completely separate positions on a movie and one does not touch the others work.

But I do like your idea of Lucas having Williams go back and rescore those portions of the movie he didn't have time to complete.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

But I do like your idea of Lucas having Williams go back and rescore those portions of the movie he didn't have time to complete.

I'm cool with that, so long as they don't mess with "Across the Stars". That's my favorite part of the "Clones" soundtrack.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

No blame should be placed on Ben Burtt for the way the score is heard in the movie. He was the film editor and had nothing to do with the editing of the music. That credit goes to an actual "Music Editor". They are completely separate positions on a movie and one does not touch the others work.

But I do like your idea of Lucas having Williams go back and rescore those portions of the movie he didn't have time to complete.

Whilst what you say is correct with regards to editing and them being separate positions, unfortunately in this case you are not correct with regards to Burtt not having anything to do with the editing of the music. Ben Burtt was the film editor, sound editor and sound designer on Revenge of the Sith so in this case he had complete control (outside of Lucas' decisions and William's scoring) over what went where in the mix and how it was cut.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I'm cool with that, so long as they don't mess with "Across the Stars". That's my favorite part of the "Clones" soundtrack.

Couldn't agree more about Across the Stars! Absolutely brilliant cue!

I think what needs proper scoring in Episode II specifically is the arena battle. As it was released (and remains on DVD) is a pretty bad editing of various action cues from Episode I.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by atexp80

Whilst what you say is correct with regards to editing and them being separate positions, unfortunately in this case you are not correct with regards to Burtt not having anything to do with the editing of the music. Ben Burtt was the film editor, sound editor and sound designer on Revenge of the Sith so in this case he had complete control (outside of Lucas' decisions and William's scoring) over what went where in the mix and how it was cut.

I stand corrected.

Edit: Wait, I don't think that's entirely correct either. Sound Editor and Sound Designer refers to sound effects with music not being included within those roles. At least not on a regular production, but who knows how it works at LucasFilms. But in terms of the editing of the actual music cues, during the arena battle for example, I'd be very surprised if Burtt had anything to do with that.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

I stand corrected.

Edit: Wait, I don't think that's entirely correct either. Sound Editor and Sound Designer refers to sound effects with music not being included within those roles. At least not on a regular production, but who knows how it works at LucasFilms. But in terms of the editing of the actual music cues, during the arena battle for example, I'd be very surprised if Burtt had anything to do with that.

A sound editor is responsible for the music also in terms of it's place in the mix (volume level, panning etc) against other elements (dialogue, effects) and the placement of cues.

Ben Burtt in his role as all three would have had significant influence. As film editor his editing choices there would have resulted in a film cut a certain way and then as sound editor he would also have been in control of how music cues were then placed/cut to complement the editing. Other times the music would have influenced the editing of the film. Regardless of what scenes demanded which of those methods, ultimately the person at the computer doing the editing for all of the above was Ben Burtt so under Lucas' supervision he would have control over:

• What appears on screen and when
• What sounds are needed and how they are created/gained for integration in the mix; and
• What level, panning etc dialogue, music and effects are at in the mix at any point in time

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by Aerodude73

This thread Derails more times than 5 freight trains being driven by a team of crack addicts...

How true!!