Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by whaleman

What do you think about a scene inserted into ANH where jawas are riding a creature in Mos Eisley and they fall off and swing around in a comical way? Sounds like a winner to me! How delightful!

I think that scene was awesome! In fact I hope he does more of that because that was what George originally intended in 1975/76 when he was shooting ANH. What I would really love is so much more cgi added to the Cantina scene and the cantina music updated with a whole new song. I know some will think that Cantina music is classic but its just plain old. Sept can't get here fast enough!!!!

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

I think that scene was awesome! In fact I hope he does more of that because that was what George originally intended in 1975/76 when he was shooting ANH. What I would really love is so much more cgi added to the Cantina scene and the cantina music updated with a whole new song. I know some will think that Cantina music is classic but its just plain old. Sept can't get here fast enough!!!!

I heard that was initially filmed in stop motion animation but after 8 days of continuous shooting it ended up looking too "choppy" so GL said "I will not rest until the day comes when modern technology allows me to put in these horse-playing jawas!" Same thing with Han shooting first; it was actually Greedo's gun malfunctioned and they didn't have time or budget to get a new one so they just went with it while Lucas had to wait 20 years to correct it.

[The Apocalypse]

Maybe Lucas is looking at this thread.... Still, I do wonder what the "even more enhancements" are that's been done for this release.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

Maybe Lucas is looking at this thread.... Still, I do wonder what the "even more enhancements" are that's been done for this release.

One thing that has to be addressed is by watching them in order the force goes from something that is totally explainable (medical/scientific) to something that is mystical/ Religious in the OT. All the things that Obi Wan and yoda say to Luke about the force and Luke to Leia is pretty much thrown out the window with the midichlorian count talk. Midi's somehow need to be introduced into the OT to make it flow better. Hopefully this will be addressed in the Blu release.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

One thing that has to be addressed is by watching them in order the force goes from something that is totally explainable (medical/scientific) to something that is mystical/ Religious in the OT. All the things that Obi Wan and yoda say to Luke about the force and Luke to Leia is pretty much thrown out the window with the midichlorian count talk. Midi's somehow need to be introduced into the OT to make it flow better. Hopefully this will be addressed in the Blu release.

They could put in a scene where Yoda talks about how Obi Wan's losing it ever since he went on his new medication and explained the force incorrectly with his new crazy theories. The medication would also explain why he's a bit lethargic during that light saber fight and lets Vader strike him down.
(I'll stop now!)

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

One thing that has to be addressed is by watching them in order the force goes from something that is totally explainable (medical/scientific) to something that is mystical/ Religious in the OT. All the things that Obi Wan and yoda say to Luke about the force and Luke to Leia is pretty much thrown out the window with the midichlorian count talk. Midi's somehow need to be introduced into the OT to make it flow better. Hopefully this will be addressed in the Blu release.

It is sorta like disc art, ya know? At first it is just a simple title on the disc. Very basic. Not a whole lot going on, no complexities. It is what it is. Sorta like the Force in the OT. No explanation what so ever as to why it works, it just does. Then later on when they go to printing the actual art they 'jazz it all up' with crazy pictures of CGI Yoda and Puppet Yoda making out while a frenzied Jar Jar watches. So much detail it makes ya head spin. Crazy...

Lucas not explaining the Midoclowhatevayacallems in the OT was just him skimping out on details. I mean, it makes you wonder what else he might not include next....

[Stump Grinder]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Lucas not explaining the Midoclowhatevayacallems in the OT was just him skimping out on details. I mean, it makes you wonder what else he might not include next....

I'd imagine Lucas didn't explain it in the OT because the writers hadn't thought of it yet. So they retconned it in the new prequel trilogy later.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

One thing that has to be addressed is by watching them in order the force goes from something that is totally explainable (medical/scientific) to something that is mystical/ Religious in the OT. All the things that Obi Wan and yoda say to Luke about the force and Luke to Leia is pretty much thrown out the window with the midichlorian count talk. Midi's somehow need to be introduced into the OT to make it flow better. Hopefully this will be addressed in the Blu release.

It doesn't need to be, as it's been addressed more than once in this very thread.

Correlation does not mean causation. Qui-gon's explanation simply gives a pseudo-medical explanation to the correlation, which was the exact thing we already heard in the original trilogy as "the force is strong in my family." It doesn't address which is cause and which is effect, just that there's a relationship. The only mysticism or "religious" interpretation was dispelled is one of someone trying to pick a nit that just isn't there.

Clearly, the freak kid on the arse-end of the galaxy wasn't stronger in the Force than Yoda, and Qui-Gon himself explicitly says he's not sure what it means. He conjectures it's prophecy, but more... orthodox Jedi Masters like Mace and Yoda (amongst others) disagreed and Yoda apparently still disagreed even after said untrained freak manages to blow away the droid control ship.

[ChipmunksDad]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

I prefer AoTC and RoTS to all of them. TPM was ok but there was not enough Darth Maul in it for my taste. I wish Jar Jar would have had more screen time and far more in AoTC and RoTS. I am drooling over any new extras that he can dish out with regards to the PT. I hope George can change even more of the OT to match the PT look including sabre fights etc. I am so jazzed for this release!

Awesome.

[Cplhicks]

I'm really hoping for a steelbook set or something of this. I don't really like the complete packaging, and Star Wars would be worth springing for some limited special set. I'm surprised I haven't heard about one yet...

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Stump Grinder

I'd imagine Lucas didn't explain it in the OT because the writers hadn't thought of it yet. So they retconned it in the new prequel trilogy later.

Oh, dude, sorry I was being saracastic. Should have put a few of these in there. My B.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Uxi

It doesn't need to be, as it's been addressed more than once in this very thread.

Correlation does not mean causation. Qui-gon's explanation simply gives a pseudo-medical explanation to the correlation, which was the exact thing we already heard in the original trilogy as "the force is strong in my family." It doesn't address which is cause and which is effect, just that there's a relationship. The only mysticism or "religious" interpretation was dispelled is one of someone trying to pick a nit that just isn't there.

Clearly, the freak kid on the arse-end of the galaxy wasn't stronger in the Force than Yoda, and Qui-Gon himself explicitly says he's not sure what it means. He conjectures it's prophecy, but more... orthodox Jedi Masters like Mace and Yoda (amongst others) disagreed and Yoda apparently still disagreed even after said untrained freak manages to blow away the droid control ship.

Are you kidding me? The force is explained in two totally different ways. There is no room for argument its on the screen. Not only that but George explained the Force different in 1977/1978 interviews vs 1999/2000 interviews. The bottom line is that the two trilogies have several continuity issues that hopefully will get worked on for this BD release. Maybe he can find a way to get the OT up to snuff.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Are you kidding me? The force is explained in two totally different ways. There is no room for argument its on the screen.

There's no difference except your own preconceptions.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Uxi

There's no difference except your own preconceptions.

Hmm might want to tell that to George as well then.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

One thing that has to be addressed is by watching them in order the force goes from something that is totally explainable (medical/scientific) to something that is mystical/ Religious in the OT. All the things that Obi Wan and yoda say to Luke about the force and Luke to Leia is pretty much thrown out the window with the midichlorian count talk. Midi's somehow need to be introduced into the OT to make it flow better. Hopefully this will be addressed in the Blu release.

There are lots of inconsistencies between the OT and PT and I don't think any of those story lines are going to be revised for the BD release. I was surprised that Lucas wrote a script with all those inconsistencies, but maybe he didn't think that people would notice or maybe he did but didn't care because he felt that the plot had to work for the films he was making (the PT), not the films he already made.

But the one you mention actually doesn't bother me. There's obviously lots of things that Obi Wan held back from Luke (when it comes down to it, Obi Wan was a manipulative liar). The midichlorian count evaluation actually failed the Jedi because Anakin turned out to be a lousy Jedi. If Obi Wan had told Luke about such a count, Luke would want to get tested (assuming there was such a test available at that time at a place Luke could get to). And if he had a high count, that might have made him think about how he got that count and who else has it, leading to a premature revelation that Vader was his father.

One of the biggest flaws for me is that in Episode VI, Leia tells Luke that she remembers her mother, but obviously that was impossible. In addition, in either V or VI (I forget whether it's in the first Luke/Vader battle or the second), Vader says, "...sister. Your mother was wise to hide her from me." But at the end of III, Vader knows that Padame is dead so why would he think that Padame hid the kids? In fact, it's implied with Padame's death that the babies died also (from Vader's perspective) so why would he think that Luke is his son other than the fact that he feels the Force in Luke.

There are lots of others, some more subtle than others. I'm sure the fanboys can argue against each one of these, but I'm going to state them anyway. And some of these are not flaws between the OT and PT, but within the same trilogy. I'm not looking for any arguments:

Episode III: If anger and fear leads to the dark side, why does Yoda look so angry in each of his “fights”? Why does Obi Wan smile when he kills all the droids in the elevator?

Episode III: If the Jedi can feel changes in the Force, how come they don’t know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord?

Episode III: Why does Darth swear his allegiance to the Emperor even after Padame dies? The biggest reason for turning to the dark side was to save her life.

Episode III: In an early scene, the Sith Lord already looks like he has the effects of the electrical charges which deform his face later in the film.

Episode III and later: If Chewbacca works with Yoda to fight the Empire, how come this role is never mentioned in Episodes IV-VI? If Obi Wan knows Chewbacca from 20 years before (although Chewbacca only meets with Yoda in the film), does this mean that Chewbacca is hiding his role in the battles from Han?

Episode IV: Both the Emperor and Darth Vader “know” that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. But when the name of Luke Skywalker first comes up, neither brings up the possibility that Luke is Vader’s son. Is Skywalker such a common name in that galaxy?

Episode IV: What purpose does Obi Wan’s “suicide” serve? He doesn’t become “more powerful” as he tells Darth Vader he would be.

Episode IV: Vader tells Obi Wan, “You shouldn’t have come”. Why doesn’t he say, “where have you been for the last 20 years” or “I’m going to kill you for almost burning me to death” or at the very least, "I STILL hate you"?

Episode IV: What is Darth Vader’s motivation for his actions? It’s never expressed. It can’t be to oppose the Jedi or Obi Wan because Obi Wan has been in hiding for at least 20 years and there are no other Jedi, except for Yoda, who isn’t mentioned in Ep IV. Is it to bring order to the Empire? But the only disorder is a small band of rebels. Why does this small band of rebels require the construction of the Death Star?

Episode IV: How does Obi Wan Kenobi know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Same for Yoda in Ep V. At the end of Ep III, he thinks Anakin is dead. In fact, how does Obi Wan know about Darth Vader? He's been hiding on Luke's planet for 20 years. He would know about the Empire, but not necessarily about Vader. Did the Empire publish a daily propaganda newspaper with stories about its leaders?

Episode V and VI: In Ep V, Yoda insists that Luke not help his friends, but complete his Jedi training instead. Yet when Luke returns in Ep VI to complete his training, Yoda tells him that his training is complete.

Episode VI: Chewbacca tells the blind Han Solo that Luke is now a Jedi Knight. But later in the episode, Yoda first informs Luke that he is a Jedi.

And then there are the issues in the OT of why Vader doesn't recognize C3PO and R2D2. Lucas could have solved this by demonstrating in Ep III that when Anakin becomes Vader, his memory is severely impaired, even though he asks about Padame and knows who Obi Wan is in Ep IV.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

There are lots of inconsistencies between the OT and PT and I don't think any of those story lines are going to be revised for the BD release. I was surprised that Lucas wrote a script with all those inconsistencies, but maybe he didn't think that people would notice or maybe he did but didn't care because he felt that the plot had to work for the films he was making (the PT), not the films he already made.

But the one you mention actually doesn't bother me. There's obviously lots of things that Obi Wan held back from Luke (when it comes down to it, Obi Wan was a manipulative liar). The midichlorian count evaluation actually failed the Jedi because Anakin turned out to be a lousy Jedi. If Obi Wan had told Luke about such a count, Luke would want to get tested (assuming there was such a test available at that time at a place Luke could get to). And if he had a high count, that might have made him think about how he got that count and who else has it, leading to a premature revelation that Vader was his father.

One of the biggest flaws for me is that in Episode VI, Leia tells Luke that she remembers her mother, but obviously that was impossible. In addition, in either V or VI (I forget whether it's in the first Luke/Vader battle or the second), Vader says, "...sister. Your mother was wise to hide her from me." But at the end of III, Vader knows that Padame is dead so why would he think that Padame hid the kids? In fact, it's implied with Padame's death that the babies died also (from Vader's perspective) so why would he think that Luke is his son other than the fact that he feels the Force in Luke.

There are lots of others, some more subtle than others. I'm sure the fanboys can argue against each one of these, but I'm going to state them anyway. And some of these are not flaws between the OT and PT, but within the same trilogy. I'm not looking for any arguments:

Episode III: If anger and fear leads to the dark side, why does Yoda look so angry in each of his “fights”? Why does Obi Wan smile when he kills all the droids in the elevator?

Episode III: If the Jedi can feel changes in the Force, how come they don’t know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord?

Episode III: Why does Darth swear his allegiance to the Emperor even after Padame dies? The biggest reason for turning to the dark side was to save her life.

Episode III: In an early scene, the Sith Lord already looks like he has the effects of the electrical charges which deform his face later in the film.

Episode III and later: If Chewbacca works with Yoda to fight the Empire, how come this role is never mentioned in Episodes IV-VI? If Obi Wan knows Chewbacca from 20 years before (although Chewbacca only meets with Yoda in the film), does this mean that Chewbacca is hiding his role in the battles from Han?

Episode IV: Both the Emperor and Darth Vader “know” that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. But when the name of Luke Skywalker first comes up, neither brings up the possibility that Luke is Vader’s son. Is Skywalker such a common name in that galaxy?

Episode IV: What purpose does Obi Wan’s “suicide” serve? He doesn’t become “more powerful” as he tells Darth Vader he would be.

Episode IV: Vader tells Obi Wan, “You shouldn’t have come”. Why doesn’t he say, “where have you been for the last 20 years” or “I’m going to kill you for almost burning me to death” or at the very least, "I STILL hate you"?

Episode IV: What is Darth Vader’s motivation for his actions? It’s never expressed. It can’t be to oppose the Jedi or Obi Wan because Obi Wan has been in hiding for at least 20 years and there are no other Jedi, except for Yoda, who isn’t mentioned in Ep IV. Is it to bring order to the Empire? But the only disorder is a small band of rebels. Why does this small band of rebels require the construction of the Death Star?

Episode IV: How does Obi Wan Kenobi know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Same for Yoda in Ep V. At the end of Ep III, he thinks Anakin is dead. In fact, how does Obi Wan know about Darth Vader? He's been hiding on Luke's planet for 20 years. He would know about the Empire, but not necessarily about Vader. Did the Empire publish a daily propaganda newspaper with stories about its leaders?

Episode V and VI: In Ep V, Yoda insists that Luke not help his friends, but complete his Jedi training instead. Yet when Luke returns in Ep VI to complete his training, Yoda tells him that his training is complete.

Episode VI: Chewbacca tells the blind Han Solo that Luke is now a Jedi Knight. But later in the episode, Yoda first informs Luke that he is a Jedi.

And then there are the issues in the OT of why Vader doesn't recognize C3PO and R2D2. Lucas could have solved this by demonstrating in Ep III that when Anakin becomes Vader, his memory is severely impaired, even though he asks about Padame and knows who Obi Wan is in Ep IV.

You hit on a "few" of the things that Mr. Plinkett talks about.

But the long short is "because it's in the script!"

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

....In addition, in either V or VI (I forget whether it's in the first Luke/Vader battle or the second), Vader says, "...sister. Your mother was wise to hide her from me." But at the end of III, Vader knows that Padame is dead so why would he think that Padame hid the kids?

Vader says "Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me", not Padme.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

One of the biggest flaws for me is that in Episode VI, Leia tells Luke that she remembers her mother, but obviously that was impossible. In addition, in either V or VI (I forget whether it's in the first Luke/Vader battle or the second), Vader says, "...sister. Your mother was wise to hide her from me." But at the end of III, Vader knows that Padame is dead so why would he think that Padame hid the kids? In fact, it's implied with Padame's death that the babies died also (from Vader's perspective) so why would he think that Luke is his son other than the fact that he feels the Force in Luke.

The actual line is, "Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me." So no problem there. But as far as Leia "remembering" her mother, it can be assumed (and yes, argued) that she is perceiving visions of her mother through the Force as memories. As Yoda tells Luke, "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places, the past, the future, old friends long gone." If Luke can have visions of his friends' future, isn't it passable that Leia could have visions of her own mother from the past and misinterpret those as memories? Luke has Yoda to help him understand his visions. Leia doesn't.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Episode III: If the Jedi can feel changes in the Force, how come they don’t know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord?

Aren't "changes in the Force" completely different than detecting and specifically identifying a Sith Lord? In ANH, Vader is confused at first when he says, "I sense something. A presence I've not felt since..." He didn't sense Obi-Wan specifically. He put two and two together. "A presence I've not felt since...(I'm finishing his sentence) I was in the presence of my old master!" Isn't it reasonable then that the Jedi can feel a change in the Force but not know what that means? Vader could only figure it out because he had once been in the "presence" of Obi-Wan.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Episode III: Why does Darth swear his allegiance to the Emperor even after Padame dies? The biggest reason for turning to the dark side was to save her life.

What else is he going to do? "Hey fellow Jedi's! I know I just murdered a bunch of fellow Jedi masters, kids and cut off Master Windu's hand allowing Palpatine to kill him...but I'm over all that now. I've come to my senses! Y'know, that Darth Sidious is a liar! He promised me a lot of things but he didn't come through on any of them! So NOW I want to come back and be with you guys. So...how do you like my new suit?"

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Episode III and later: If Chewbacca works with Yoda to fight the Empire, how come this role is never mentioned in Episodes IV-VI? If Obi Wan knows Chewbacca from 20 years before (although Chewbacca only meets with Yoda in the film), does this mean that Chewbacca is hiding his role in the battles from Han?

Couldn't it be reasonably assumed that the entire reason Obi-Wan meets with Chewbacca in the cantina in ANH is due to their mutual friendship with Yoda? Or that during the 20 years between ROTS and ANH Obi-Wan and Chewbacca kept in communication, knowing that one day they would need to get Luke off the planet? In ROTJ, Chewbacca seems to accept that Luke is a Jedi and tries to tell Han. Is Chewbacca just gullible? Or does he believe it because he knows the history? Han seems pretty quick to reject any belief in the Jedi or the Force. Maybe Chewbacca has been trying to tell Han the story for years and maybe Han just laughs at him and tells him to shut up.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Episode IV: How does Obi Wan Kenobi know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Same for Yoda in Ep V. At the end of Ep III, he thinks Anakin is dead. In fact, how does Obi Wan know about Darth Vader? He's been hiding on Luke's planet for 20 years. He would know about the Empire, but not necessarily about Vader. Did the Empire publish a daily propaganda newspaper with stories about its leaders?

This assumes that Obi-Wan and Yoda went into their huts and never came out. It can safely be assumed they weren't living in complete isolation and that they found ways to get information. In ANH, Leia's message to Obi-Wan is recorded specifically for him, "Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire." She seem to know exactly where Obi-Wan is hiding in order to get the message to him. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume communication has been getting to Obi-Wan (and even Yoda) for all that time.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Episode V and VI: In Ep V, Yoda insists that Luke not help his friends, but complete his Jedi training instead. Yet when Luke returns in Ep VI to complete his training, Yoda tells him that his training is complete.

Maybe because Yoda recognizes this same impulsive behavior that helped lead Anakin to the dark side - the impulsive behavior to do whatever it took to help save their loved ones. Seems to me that Yoda was just trying to stop Luke so as not to risk losing him to the dark side the same way they lost Anakin. It seems as though a lot of decisions Yoda and Obi-Wan make in regards to lying to Luke and being over-protective are all examples of them not wanting to have the same thing happen twice.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

And then there are the issues in the OT of why Vader doesn't recognize C3PO and R2D2. Lucas could have solved this by demonstrating in Ep III that when Anakin becomes Vader, his memory is severely impaired, even though he asks about Padame and knows who Obi Wan is in Ep IV.

Vader never sees or comes into contact with R2 in the OT. But who says he doesn't recognize C3PO? But, again, what's he supposed to do? Should he run over to 3PO and say, "Hey! I built you! Years ago! Don't you remember? What's the matter? Don't you recognize me?? Oh, I guess you wouldn't - I've got a mask on. Well here...let me take it off! Recognize me now?? No? Oh...you had your memory wiped? Well...that was a waste of time wasn't it. Put Captain Solo in the Carbon Freeze!!"

As for you other questions...I have no idea.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Episode III and later: If Chewbacca works with Yoda to fight the Empire, how come this role is never mentioned in Episodes IV-VI? If Obi Wan knows Chewbacca from 20 years before (although Chewbacca only meets with Yoda in the film), does this mean that Chewbacca is hiding his role in the battles from Han?

I hated how the PT had to tie in all the secondary characters from the OT.
Chewbacca was the general of the Wookies who met with the top Jedis in the clone wars. I'm surprised they didn't show Han solo as a kid meeting Chewbacca in RotS (thank God).
Boba Fett had to be a clone and his father was the subject of all the clones. What a coincidence.
C3P0 and R2D2 just happened to be built by Darth Vader. Again what a coincidence.
I think GL just didn't have time to delve into the past of Lando Calrissian and Han Solo. Other than that every single character of significance in the OT plays a significant role in the PT.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

The actual line is, "Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me." So no problem there. But as far as Leia "remembering" her mother, it can be assumed (and yes, argued) that she is perceiving visions of her mother through the Force as memories. As Yoda tells Luke, "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places, the past, the future, old friends long gone." If Luke can have visions of his friends' future, isn't it passable that Leia could have visions of her own mother from the past and misinterpret those as memories? Luke has Yoda to help him understand his visions. Leia doesn't.



Aren't "changes in the Force" completely different than detecting and specifically identifying a Sith Lord? In ANH, Vader is confused at first when he says, "I sense something. A presence I've not felt since..." He didn't sense Obi-Wan specifically. He put two and two together. "A presence I've not felt since...(I'm finishing his sentence) I was in the presence of my old master!" Isn't it reasonable then that the Jedi can feel a change in the Force but not know what that means? Vader could only figure it out because he had once been in the "presence" of Obi-Wan.



What else is he going to do? "Hey fellow Jedi's! I know I just murdered a bunch of fellow Jedi masters, kids and cut off Master Windu's hand allowing Palpatine to kill him...but I'm over all that now. I've come to my senses! Y'know, that Darth Sidious is a liar! He promised me a lot of things but he didn't come through on any of them! So NOW I want to come back and be with you guys. So...how do you like my new suit?"



Couldn't it be reasonably assumed that the entire reason Obi-Wan meets with Chewbacca in the cantina in ANH is due to their mutual friendship with Yoda? Or that during the 20 years between ROTS and ANH Obi-Wan and Chewbacca kept in communication, knowing that one day they would need to get Luke off the planet? In ROTJ, Chewbacca seems to accept that Luke is a Jedi and tries to tell Han. Is Chewbacca just gullible? Or does he believe it because he knows the history? Han seems pretty quick to reject any belief in the Jedi or the Force. Maybe Chewbacca has been trying to tell Han the story for years and maybe Han just laughs at him and tells him to shut up.



This assumes that Obi-Wan and Yoda went into their huts and never came out. It can safely be assumed they weren't living in complete isolation and that they found ways to get information. In ANH, Leia's message to Obi-Wan is recorded specifically for him, "Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire." She seem to know exactly where Obi-Wan is hiding in order to get the message to him. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume communication has been getting to Obi-Wan (and even Yoda) for all that time.



Maybe because Yoda recognizes this same impulsive behavior that helped lead Anakin to the dark side - the impulsive behavior to do whatever it took to help save their loved ones. Seems to me that Yoda was just trying to stop Luke so as not to risk losing him to the dark side the same way they lost Anakin. It seems as though a lot of decisions Yoda and Obi-Wan make in regards to lying to Luke and being over-protective are all examples of them not wanting to have the same thing happen twice.



Vader never sees or comes into contact with R2 in the OT. But who says he doesn't recognize C3PO? But, again, what's he supposed to do? Should he run over to 3PO and say, "Hey! I built you! Years ago! Don't you remember? What's the matter? Don't you recognize me?? Oh, I guess you wouldn't - I've got a mask on. Well here...let me take it off! Recognize me now?? No? Oh...you had your memory wiped? Well...that was a waste of time wasn't it. Put Captain Solo in the Carbon Freeze!!"

As for you other questions...I have no idea.

Maybe this, maybe that...at the end of the day it all boils down to sixteen years between trilogies, ideas changed, he forgot things and he didnt tie alot of stuff together. Just plain and simple....Mr. Plinkett points them all out. In the current form these can not be blended together and watched 1-6 in order without some major bumps. Hopefully with the time he has had on the BD's that will all change.....