Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

God I am so glad they didnt go there....that would have really ruined Han Solo.

How so? Han couldn't have always been a mercenary; who knows what he'd have been like as a kid?

[ChipmunksDad]

Does anyone know if these are truly remastered? As in, remastered and now ready to go in for conversion to 3D for the upcoming annual release in 3D or this is simply a cleaner version than what is on DVD are they being cleaned up for 3D now and we really won't get a killer say... 4k transfer until after all the movies have been released in 3D sometime in 2018.

Just not familiar with what kind or restoration has gone on with these films, just the mods for SE.

If its just a dust up of the DVDs to push it to Blu-Ray, then we have more more to be concerned about than plot issues and changes in the OT for a $100 set of discs.

[Bluyoda]

I am really glad they Lucas chose not to put Han Solo in ROTS.
He was just a side character anyway, who gets WAY too much credit.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

How so? Han couldn't have always been a mercenary; who knows what he'd have been like as a kid?

sure he could - he is Han Solo! even with him though, you have him calling the force a hokey religion in "New Hope". the jedi were in full force when he was a kid - wouldn't he remember them, especially with there being so many of them? i could understand if there were like 50 jedi all over the galaxy and they were all secretive but the new trilogy makes it seem like everyone knew about them. when lucas started to make up the new trilogy as he needed to, it created a lot more problems than it solved. do we care that boba fett is a clone of his dad? not really but we would have liked a clone war that was epic and went on for like 10 years instead of just a couple.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

How so? Han couldn't have always been a mercenary; who knows what he'd have been like as a kid?

we don't need to know.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

Sure he could - he is Han Solo! Even with him though, you have him calling the Force a hokey religion in "New Hope". The Jedi were in full force when he was a kid - wouldn't he remember them, especially with there being so many of them?

Possibly, but it could easily go the other way. After all, Anakin was aware of the Jedi, and he lived on the edge of the Outer Rim. I don't think there's really a definitive description of Han's childhood (maybe in the novels, though), so he could've been anywhere as a kid, doing anything.

Another comparison could also be made, with those who grow up around church folk, but reject religion later in life. Many times, its because someone who claimed to be religious treated them inappropriately, or they saw something that didn't seem to "line up" with what they were being taught. This scenario could apply very easily to Han, which is why he refers to the Force so negatively later on.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

How so? Han couldn't have always been a mercenary; who knows what he'd have been like as a kid?

Who cares what he was like as a kid...I mean really less is so much more.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

How so? Han couldn't have always been a mercenary; who knows what he'd have been like as a kid?

One of the unfortunate aspects of the prequels is it made the SW universe seem very, very small. Having kid Solo show up would only make it that much worse.

I don't need to see Solo as a child, any more than I needed to see young Darth Vader get in a fist fight with Greedo.

[dcowboy7]

Sounds like a good flashback episode for next season on cartoon networks the clone wars.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Uxi

We discussed this one, too. There are probably tens of thousands of 3P0 droids. Even if 3P0 didn't have his memory wiped, it would be like seeing a yellow '68 Camaro you owned 20 years ago. It's much more likely Vader thought "that looks just like my old droid" rather than "OMG, my 3PO??!11!1one!"

Or does anyone really expect Vader to "all right, stop the carbon freezing! I just saw a droid that could be like one I used to own years ago." Does Darth Vader in that time frame of his life REALLY seem like the sentimental type?

People seem to forget, Darth Vader is NOT Anakin Skywalker, is is Darth Vader Dark Lord of the Sith, all attachments to his previous life are forgotten. The only thing that even vaguely interest Vader is his son, and even until he turns back he trys to turn him to the dark side. A droid from his childhood, which really isn't even him anymore is beyond irrelevant.

And as to the Yoda and Windu comment. Sith as powerful as Palpatine are able to mask their force presence, that is why Yoda and Windu couldn't detect him.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Sith

People seem to forget, Darth Vader is NOT Anakin Skywalker, is is Darth Vader Dark Lord of the Sith, all attachments to his previous life are forgotten. The only thing that even vaguely interest Vader is his son, and even until he turns back he trys to turn him to the dark side. A droid from his childhood, which really isn't even him anymore is beyond irrelevant.

And as to the Yoda and Windu comment. Sith as powerful as Palpatine are able to mask their force presence, that is why Yoda and Windu couldn't detect him.

What? Nice try..stop trying to come up with explanations for this all this stuff you all can't. Face it, the guy was way off his mark and wrote these scripts like over a weekend and sadly it shows in the PT stories. Lucas put more time into special effects and creatures and threw together this junk.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Who cares what he was like as a kid...I mean really less is so much more.

We don't agree on much, but you right on with this. The biggest short comings of the PT and the altered trilogy is that Lucas may have tried too hard to connect everything. I didn't think we needed Boba Fett's origin at all. He was MUCH cooler as a silent bounty hunter with a mysterious past. To make him a cloned kid with the second worst acting this side of Jake Lloyd was a bad call. I, for one, am happy Lucas left Solo out. It is MUCH better that way.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Sounds like a good flashback episode for next season on cartoon networks the clone wars.

That would have been a better venue to connect all of the non-essential dots. I'd love to see younger Han Solo in an episode or two of TCW series.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Possibly, but it could easily go the other way. After all, Anakin was aware of the Jedi, and he lived on the edge of the Outer Rim. I don't think there's really a definitive description of Han's childhood (maybe in the novels, though), so he could've been anywhere as a kid, doing anything.

Another comparison could also be made, with those who grow up around church folk, but reject religion later in life. Many times, its because someone who claimed to be religious treated them inappropriately, or they saw something that didn't seem to "line up" with what they were being taught. This scenario could apply very easily to Han, which is why he refers to the Force so negatively later on.

I thought Solo would be in his VERY early teens during the events of Revenge of the Sith. So, my guess would be that under the rule of the Empire that Palpatine would go out of his way to discredit the Jedi and make the general poplulation think it was just a crazy religion. Therefore turning most of the galaxy into skeptics of the Jedi and making them question if they ever really did have any power at all. Solo's and Owen Lars' attitudes seem to reflect this idea ("Ben Kenobi is just crazy old wizard..." and "...following on some damned crusade" or "Some hookey religion.."). Basically I think Solo's attitude reflects 20+ years of being told the Jedi were crazy.

However, WHY Palpatine never burned down the Jedi temple defies logic. Its one of the biggest flaws of the 2004 Return of the Jedi additions. If you are fn Evil and trying to wipeout a religion from existance, then you don't allow the people you are oppressing to have a temple in YOUR city. That just doesnt make any sense.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Jay444

However, WHY Palpatine never burned down the Jedi temple defies logic. Its one of the biggest flaws of the 2004 Return of the Jedi additions. If you are fn Evil and trying to wipeout a religion from existance, then you don't allow the people you are oppressing to have a temple in YOUR city. That just doesnt make any sense.

Yea, I have always wondered about that too.

Well, since 1997 that is.


Maybe he will remove that in these upcoming BDs.


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[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Who cares what he was like as a kid...I mean really less is so much more.

I was thinking the same thing about your posts.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Jay444

We don't agree on much, but you right on with this. The biggest short comings of the PT and the altered trilogy is that Lucas may have tried too hard to connect everything. I didn't think we needed Boba Fett's origin at all. He was MUCH cooler as a silent bounty hunter with a mysterious past. To make him a cloned kid with the second worst acting this side of Jake Lloyd was a bad call. I, for one, am happy Lucas left Solo out. It is MUCH better that way.

I actually really like the origin story of Boba Fett, and especially enjoy Jango, who is a billion times cooler than Boba. I thought the kid did a great job.
I definitely agree that the decision of dropping Han in the PT was an excellent one. I never got what was so special about Boba, or Han for that matter.
Different tastes, I guess.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Sith

People seem to forget, Darth Vader is NOT Anakin Skywalker, is is Darth Vader Dark Lord of the Sith, all attachments to his previous life are forgotten.

Uh, where did you pull that out of?

You've seen Star Wars, right? Vader wasn't, "Hey you old man with gray hair in a dowdy brown cloak - who are you?" He didn't forget anything.

Vader is a pretty classic case of mental illness. He saw horrors as a kid/teenager, has mommy issues, absent father, felt powerless and turned that into anger to make himself stronger. By doing so he denied his emotions, but they were obviously there fueling him as time went on.

The absolute truth is - the Vader in the OT and the Vader Lucas invented 20 years later are totally different characters. Personally the worst decision for me was to make the prequels all about him - first, I don't think anyone was clamoring for it besides Lucas (I never once as a kid thought - "Gee I wish they'd make a movie about Vader as a whiny child!), and second, it basically just ruined the effect of the character.

It's like any movie villain - you want to give them SOME depth, but not knowing who was behind the mast was quite effective. In a few cases, it enhanced the storytelling (though creepy now, the Vader/Leia torture scenes in ANH carry a lot of meaning they didn't before when "random bad guy, random princess"), but overall it just made the character weaker overall (and not just because of the abysmal casting choices and acting by said choices).

[partridge]

I think some of you are (deliberately?) taking Sith's comment about "forgotten" too literally, I agree with Sith; what he's saying, I believe, is that Vader has effectively cut off all ties with his previous life.

I don't think he would give a damn about seeing a droid that might have been one he built, he's beyond such sentimentality and entirely focussed on the continuation of the Empire and defeating the rebel alliance.

As Vader he has become something new.

Why not destroy the Jedi temple? What better way to mark your victory over an enemy than to keep a permanent reminder of what it once stood for; don't let people forget what you did, keep it there to remind them every day that you brought down the Jedi.

[Bukax42]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Who cares what he was like as a kid...

Exactly. Too bad now we know that Darth Vader was annoying little bastard :P