Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by georgec

This is why we fail.

If people spoke their discontent with their wallets, then we *might* be able to get the studio's attention. But 99% of people will buy the set because it's "Star Wars on blu-ray" and that's all that matters to them. Buying shoddy products encourages companies to put out more shoddy products.

Does everyone on here absolutely need Star Wars on blu-ray no matter what?

It is also a VERY small percentage of the buying public that has discussions like this. So even if everyone here decided not to buy for these reasons, it would not make a dent.

[kenkraly2004]

I still think we have to wait and see how the OT looks on the blu-ray as far as the transfer quality maybe it will be the 2004 transfers with some tweaks to the color , the lightsabers and the sound mix to episode 4 A New Hope. Just wait until September 16th comes around and or wait for the reviews to come out and then judge for ourselves.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by georgec

This is why we fail.

If people spoke their discontent with their wallets, then we *might* be able to get the studio's attention. But 99% of people will buy the set because it's "Star Wars on blu-ray" and that's all that matters to them. Buying shoddy products encourages companies to put out more shoddy products.

Does everyone on here absolutely need Star Wars on blu-ray no matter what?

I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. We need to demand a recall. If we don't buy it we have no grounds for a recall. Lucasfilm would simply say 'how can you know its a faulty product if you don't own it.' It has to be verified by owners before we can demand a recall.

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I still think we have to wait and see how the OT looks on the blu-ray as far as the transfer quality maybe it will be the 2004 transfers with some m tweaks to the color , the lightsabers and the sound mix to episode 4 A New Hope. Just wait until September 16th comes around and or wait for the reviews to come out and then judge for ourselves.

And this is the best approach. We have to buy this set to know for sure. After that certain steps can be taken. I'm not overly optimistic, but I'm not entirely out of hope. If my fears are confirmed when I buy it, though, I will be very disappointed.

[Sweetmeats]

So, I don't have much to update other than a friend of mine managed to see quite a bit of the Blu-ray in action. Per him, he saw the last 20 minutes of AOTC and thought it looked amazing. He was also able to the unmasking of Vader, about 5 minutes of Obi vs. Anakin, Grievous on the wheelbike and and Luke in the garage with the hologram. He hasn't seen any changes that he noticed but did say that a major upcoming gripe will be that the boxes around the ships in A New Hope are very visible.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Sweetmeats

So, I don't have much to update other than a friend of mine managed to see quite a bit of the Blu-ray in action. Per him, he saw the last 20 minutes of AOTC and thought it looked amazing. He was also able to the unmasking of Vader, about 5 minutes of Obi vs. Anakin, Grievous on the wheelbike and and Luke in the garage with the hologram. He hasn't seen any changes that he noticed but did say that a major upcoming gripe will be that the boxes around the ships in A New Hope are very visible.

His brightness is too high. Even on the DVDs, if your TV is overcranked to "WalMart Display Level", you're going to see the boxes. In fact - funny story - prior to color bars, I used to break in my new TVs by using my Star Wars LD as a reference - matching the blacks of space with the blacks of the letterbox border. If your TV is properly calibrated, you shouldn't see the matte boxes even on the old laserdiscs from the late 80s.

[Sweetmeats]

That's what I thought too but I really don't know until I hear more from him. He would have seen this at San Diego Comic Con and he tells me that the set up was proper calibrated but again, until he's home, I don't have much to go on.

[retablo]

LOL wow, pretty unreal. People are already demanding a recall based on a tiny clip. This is LOTR all over again, have fun beating a dead horse.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

His brightness is too high. Even on the DVDs, if your TV is overcranked to "WalMart Display Level", you're going to see the boxes. In fact - funny story - prior to color bars, I used to break in my new TVs by using my Star Wars LD as a reference - matching the blacks of space with the blacks of the letterbox border. If your TV is properly calibrated, you shouldn't see the matte boxes even on the old laserdiscs from the late 80s.

I think this about right. Just looking at the footage we have seen via the links on the last ten pages, the brightness is amped up to 11. Would make those green boxes very noticible in OT. It wouldn't impact any of the prequel films because the effects were done in a different manner.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by Cook

I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. We need to demand a recall. If we don't buy it we have no grounds for a recall. Lucasfilm would simply say 'how can you know its a faulty product if you don't own it.' It has to be verified by owners before we can demand a recall.

I definitely read it. You are too optimistic. Once the studio has your money they don't care about your satisfaction. See - LOTR green tint debacle. If they cared genuinely about customer satisfaction they'd put out the best possible product, not a half-assed one that reeks of double dip.

And this is the best approach. We have to buy this set to know for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_Qqnq8pI8

[aiman04]

I love this thread.

[Lincoln6Echo]

OK, quick question... for all those unaltered theatrical version fanboys out there...

What is it exactly that you do not like about the altered versions...besides Han not shooting first and perhaps the Jedi Rocks musical number?

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

OK, quick question... for all those unaltered theatrical version fanboys out there...

What is it exactly that you do not like about the altered versions...besides Han not shooting first and perhaps the Jedi Rocks musical number?

The characters in ROTJ during the added song are dancing around like it's Fraggle Rock and are not puppets.

[horizonline]

And all the other CGI characters including Yoda...

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

OK, quick question... for all those unaltered theatrical version fanboys out there...

What is it exactly that you do not like about the altered versions...besides Han not shooting first and perhaps the Jedi Rocks musical number?

How about it's not the actual movie that was released, which is more important than a little laundry list of gripes about a 35 year old movie that need to be "fixed".

[randibean]

is September are is still long

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I might be wrong, but isn that a new ROTJ shot presented on the official SW Blu-Ray site? Might be mistaken but I like to keep my hopes up.

No, it isn't.

[mitch22]

how about you guys all stfu until we can tell for sure instead of assuming all this crap.

k thx.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by mitch22

how about you guys all stfu until we can tell for sure instead of assuming all this crap.

k thx.

Sure, but this isn't a new shot.
2006 Bonus Disc Port:

[ematrix]

I appologize to all for intruding on your discusion, I sympathize with you all, regardless if you preffer the unaltered original trilogy, or the special editions.
I think the problem is that George Lucas, in his alleged pursuit to restore and perfect the films, tends to overdue stuff that would have been better left alone, while other stuff is fixed but only half way, and in the mean time, he leaves everybody unsatisfied.

Bare with me for a moment, but let's exemplify with the pivotal scene "Han shoots Greedo first", if he had left the scene alone, probally the acceptance for the special editions would have been greater than it is today. Having Greedo shooting first simply doesn't work, Greedo is a bountyhunter, sitting less than 5 feet from Han, and he misses! It's as ludicrous as missing a field goal from the 10 yard line!

Not only that, but it diminish the change of heart of a egocentric mercenary that doesn't hesitate shooting someone (who wasn't a good guy to begin with) to someone how cares for his friends and fights for a just cause, which IMO has more merit. But GL stubbornness doesn't allow him to realize that no matter how much he attempts to modify that scene, it will never look right, simply because it was filmed to play differently.

IMHO if GL wants to remove matte lines, pulish outdates FX, add creatures in the background, etc. I think nobody would disagree with that, even I don't mind Jabba's scene in ANH. But the problem is that he only goes half way in fixing everything. Per example, he put a lot of efford in removing matte lines from the Rancor in ROTJ, but he kept the matte lines surrounding spaceships in space (which probally would be easier to remove)

GL should listen to his own words "Do or do not, there is no try". If GL should say "matte lines are part of the films history" then he shouldn't have done the special editions in the first place. But he wants to "modernize" the films, at least go all the way and do a fine job doing it, and not half attemps with unsatisfying results.

And that's the biggest problem of all, in the past years George Lucas has been releasing half baked subpar editions, the 2004 transfers were bad, wrong color timing, gamma, etc., the 2006 DVDs were a joke, and even so he had seven full years to fix all this, if he only rehashed those transfers for the upcoming Blu-rays, it wont matter if the films are in 1080p, they would still be bad and unsatisfying, and I also hope that online reviewers will be objective to point it out.

I know everybody is talking, in case the worst is confirmed, about demanding a recall, or simply not buying the Blu-ray sets in protest. It all sounds great, but how about protesting to the man itself? I mean, emails, campaigns, online protesting, demanding recalls, all sound good, but probally this time it may require an extra efford, something that FOX and GL himself can't ignore, probally something like a Jericho nuts campaign.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by al cos.

How about it's not the actual movie that was released, which is more important than a little laundry list of gripes about a 35 year old movie that need to be "fixed".

Exactly. Perfect statement.