Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by adywan

It was only when George decided to film the prequels that he decided to change the saga to the story of Anakin Skywalker.

I'd say it was when he wrote the story of TESB.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by adywan

The Star Wars saga was never about Darth Vader. For 30+ years it was always known as "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker". This title first appeared on the cover of the original novel, then again in many tie-ins. It was only when George decided to film the prequels that he decided to change the saga to the story of Anakin Skywalker.

What i find funny is that a while back the "supporters" of GL were bashing anyone who spoke about how the transfers were the same as the 2004 versions from what was seen on the videos from comic con. And how we were stupid to use a video filmed from a camera as proof (even when images were taken direct from the source and not a camcorder) and that we were all idiots because we didn't have proof that these were even showing footage from the blu-rays. But now, all of a sudden these that are convinced that george will have fixed the colouring issues are using these same videos as proof that the colours have been fixed. Now speaking to people i know who actually went to comic con and saw the video have all said that they looked the same as the 2004 DVDs; crushed blacks and cyan tinting, but that the monitors brightness seemed to be pumped up. Now if you truly want to compare the 2004 version with what was shown at comic con then just check out this video:
http://youtu.be/NxKTJQizURg?hd=1
Now this contains some footage DIRECT from the source and not just something that was shot on a camcorder. Now that is the same colouring as 2004. Video cameras will change colouring when filming from a screen and you can see from the screencaps above that miniroll32 posted that the whole image is overly bright, oversaturated and blown out.

Now it was mentioned a while back about the new audio mix done for the 2004 DVD's for ANH and why they didn't just use the laserdisc 5.1 for this because that one didn't have the problems. Well the laserdisc 5.1 for ANH is more of a dolby pro logic mix than a true 5.1. The rear channels are mono plus the dialogue isn't centre channel only and bleeds into the left & right channels. Eps 5 & 6 however have a proper 5.1 mix on the laserdiscs. Now it was Matthew Wood that did the new mix for the 2004 DVDs and not Ben Burtt. They did a new mix for ANH in 2007 (confirmed in the link below) and this is what is likely to be on the blu-rays
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/...3d-theatrical/

Yes, that´s no secret. Episodes 4-6 are about "the Adventures of Luke Skywalker" and Episodes 1-3 are about the Adventures of Anakin Skywalker. The whole saga is ultimately about Anakin turning to the dark side and then being redeemed by his son.

While I don´t know why you put supporters in exclamation marks I can´t recall anyone attacking anyone for saying the blurays may be using the transfers from 2004. I can only speak for myself but I didn´t call anyone idiot because it might have gotten me suspended. All I was was saying is that just because the upcoming BDs might be based on the 2004 scans doesn´t mean that they are not going to look great, that´s all. Everything presented so far looks good so I reserve my judgement until we actually see something.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by adywan

The Star Wars saga was never about Darth Vader. For 30+ years it was always known as "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker". This title first appeared on the cover of the original novel, then again in many tie-ins. It was only when George decided to film the prequels that he decided to change the saga to the story of Anakin Skywalker.

What i find funny is that a while back the "supporters" of GL were bashing anyone who spoke about how the transfers were the same as the 2004 versions from what was seen on the videos from comic con. And how we were stupid to use a video filmed from a camera as proof (even when images were taken direct from the source and not a camcorder) and that we were all idiots because we didn't have proof that these were even showing footage from the blu-rays. But now, all of a sudden these that are convinced that george will have fixed the colouring issues are using these same videos as proof that the colours have been fixed. Now speaking to people i know who actually went to comic con and saw the video have all said that they looked the same as the 2004 DVDs; crushed blacks and cyan tinting, but that the monitors brightness seemed to be pumped up. Now if you truly want to compare the 2004 version with what was shown at comic con then just check out this video:
http://youtu.be/NxKTJQizURg?hd=1
Now this contains some footage DIRECT from the source and not just something that was shot on a camcorder. Now that is the same colouring as 2004. Video cameras will change colouring when filming from a screen and you can see from the screencaps above that miniroll32 posted that the whole image is overly bright, oversaturated and blown out.

Now it was mentioned a while back about the new audio mix done for the 2004 DVD's for ANH and why they didn't just use the laserdisc 5.1 for this because that one didn't have the problems. Well the laserdisc 5.1 for ANH is more of a dolby pro logic mix than a true 5.1. The rear channels are mono plus the dialogue isn't centre channel only and bleeds into the left & right channels. Eps 5 & 6 however have a proper 5.1 mix on the laserdiscs. Now it was Matthew Wood that did the new mix for the 2004 DVDs and not Ben Burtt. They did a new mix for ANH in 2007 (confirmed in the link below) and this is what is likely to be on the blu-rays
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/...3d-theatrical/

Great post and agree 100%!

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

Speak for yourself.

When I was a kid (the prequels didn't exist at that time) I always wanted that Luke saves Vader. It was his father and it was clear for me, why he felt that he must save him.
You don't have to see prequels to understand the redemption of Darth Vader. Actually, I think that prequels destroyed this whole thing, because we never saw that Anakin was actually good. He was evil from the start (I mean, from EPII, because I'm speaking about an adult person). He only cared for Padme the whole time. Not for the Jedi or Obi-Wan. During EPII, I always got the impression, that he hated Obi-Wan, because he took Qui-Gon Jinn's place. Sadly, when it comes to Anakins character, I must agree with prequels-haters - he has no character. There are some good things about the prequels (visuals, Palpatine's secret plan), but when it comes to the characters, it is almost impossible to connect with anyone. Well, actually there was one person, I thought I was able to connect with - Sidious. I just wanted that he kills that whole Jedi order, because everyone was such a jerk, god.

You're right, as kids (prior to 1-3) we saw Luke save his father.

Now, when I watch it, I see the "struggle" of Anakin Skywalker, and his redemption. So the 4-6 "perspective" is about "Luke saves" while 1-6 makes it more clear it's about "Anakin's redemption".

Very similar, but more clear after seeing 1-3 (and the Clone Wars cartoons). He is no longer just "Vader, Lord of the Sith" - he is Anakin Skywalker, hero of the Clone Wars.

I guess I can sum it like this: As as kid, I thought SW was about Luke, Han and Leia.
Now I think SW is really about Anakin Skywalker.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

We know that you don´t even try to see Star Wars as grand saga by now... it´s all very subjective of course.

How can you see it as one saga? My opinion has nothing to do with me "liking" the PT or not. The films look, act, feel, sound nothing alike in the least other than the name of the films and a few driods. The stories do not mesh, the special effects do not look the same. That is why I made the statement that if he really wanted to fit this so called "saga" together right now he needs to let the OT go and refilm/reboot now( not wait another 20 years). There is no making up a 20 year gap especially when you make the PT and then go back and cut into Original Films to "try" and make them fit with the PT.

Look, at the end of the day all he did was tear apart good films to try and fit films that can never be tied cohesively with the newer films. He would have been better served to either. 1. Keep them totally seperate 2. Reboot the OT or 3. Never have made the PT or waited 20 years to do so.

That is kinda why I keep saying who would actually buy the OT only with this BD release? If you are someone who hates the PT then why would you buy a set of films that are tied to it? Now, I can see it if the 97 SE was used for the OT as a stand alone set. No problem there whatsoever...but when you have Hayden Christensen, Jar Jar Binks and all the celebration shots at the end in the OT then it just kind of kills it for an individual release does it not?

[slaughinghouse]

Originally Posted by sxerunner

Except then 3 spoils the fact that Leia is Luke's sister...

Spoilers!!! Man, you just ruined the saga for me.....curse your hide!!

*goes to cancel his B&N order*

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by shaft windu

i'm in luck that the prequels have turned out as good and better as i could have hoped for and lucas has made 6 movies that fit exactly my taste. Much care has gone into the 6-part-saga to make the viewing-experience feel seamless and epic.

+100000

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Beast

Funny, Luke doesn't appear in all 6 films like Anakin does. So I think that Anakin/Vader is the focus of the films.

Since it's about the Life, Rise, Fall, Redemption, and Death of Anakin Skywalker. As Lucas himself has noted.

Though you could say it's about the entire Skywalker family. But it's chiefly about Anakin.

Which is why I'm glad they made 1-3 so we could fully understand 4-6.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

How can you see it as one saga? My opinion has nothing to do with me "liking" the PT or not. The films look, act, feel, sound nothing alike in the least other than the name of the films and a few driods. The stories do not mesh, the special effects do not look the same. That is why I made the statement that if he really wanted to fit this so called "saga" together right now he needs to let the OT go and refilm/reboot right now( not wait another 20 years). There is no making up a 20 year gap especially when you make the PT and then go back and cut into Original Films to "try" and make them fit with the PT.

Look, at the end of the day all he did was tear apart good films to try and fit films that can never be tied cohesively with the newer films. He would have been better served to either. 1. Keep them totally seperate 2. Reboot the OT or 3. Never have made the PT or waited 20 years to do so.

Remake the OT?... that doesn´t make sense at all. The two trilogies perfectly match each other. There´s more to film than just special effects, you know?

And again, it´s all just your own personal opinion.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Which is why I'm glad they made 1-3 so we could fully understand 4-6.

In no way are these films deep enough to warrant prequels that need to explain 4-6. I mean its pretty cut and dry, Obi Wan tells you all you need to know about any back story in the 4-6.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

You're absolutely right! I'm also a little taken aback by the problem too... The movies are numbered so it's not up to debate really. It seems watching the films out of sequence is only an issue to people who don't like the prequels and try to reduce them to footnotes or flashbacks!

One problem with this: George Lucas released them in NON-EPISODIC ORDER. Why would he have released the PT 20+ years later if he wanted people to see them first?

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Remake the OT?... that doesn´t make sense at all. The two trilogies perfectly match each other. There´s more to film than just special effects, you know?

OMG...it's not just about special effects. Please reread.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

How can you see it as one saga? My opinion has nothing to do with me "liking" the PT or not. The films look, act, feel, sound nothing alike in the least other than the name of the films and a few driods. The stories do not mesh, the special effects do not look the same. That is why I made the statement that if he really wanted to fit this so called "saga" together right now he needs to let the OT go and refilm/reboot right now( not wait another 20 years). There is no making up a 20 year gap especially when you make the PT and then go back and cut into Original Films to "try" and make them fit with the PT.

Look, at the end of the day all he did was tear apart good films to try and fit films that can never be tied cohesively with the newer films. He would have been better served to either. 1. Keep them totally seperate 2. Reboot the OT or 3. Never have made the PT or waited 20 years to do so.

Obviously you see something completely different in Star Wars. To me none of the above rings true. The six movies blend seamlessly together. That's the beauty of a space opera... The quasi-sequels show much more technologically advanced war-machinery than the prequels so it's totally believable that they take place 30 years into the future.

Episode 1 - The delicate organic designs of the Gungans and the Naboo vs. the tanks and battleships of the Trade Federation.
Episode 2 - clones are technologically higher advanced than droids because they can improvise and think for themselves.
Episode 3 - we see larger battleships on each side.
Episodes 4-6: The gigantic Star-Destroyers and the Death Star with it's clean-cut design are the most powerful war-machines yet. They seem more modern with their bauhaus-designs an far removed from the art-nouveau approach of Episode 1.

You see a gradual development not only in the story but in design as well.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

In no way are these films deep enough to warrant prequels that need to explain 4-6. I mean its pretty cut and dry, Obi Wan tells you all you need to know about any back story in the 4-6.

Leave em be Cowboy. Can't turn everyone into a believer.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

Funny, Luke doesn't appear in all 6 films like Anakin does. So I think that Anakin/Vader is the focus of the films.

Since it's about the Life, Rise, Fall, Redemption, and Death of Anakin Skywalker. As Lucas himself has noted.

Though you could say it's about the entire Skywalker family. But it's chiefly about Anakin.

Neither does Anakin, he appears in 6 1-3 same about of movies as Luke does 4-6 and 3 Lucas decides to make the story about Anakin in Esp 1. 4-6 was about Luke that simple

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by adywan

The Star Wars saga was never about Darth Vader. For 30+ years it was always known as "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker". This title first appeared on the cover of the original novel, then again in many tie-ins. It was only when George decided to film the prequels that he decided to change the saga to the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Exactly. Lucas changed things and that doesn't sit well with some, which I am in total agreement of. I still love the movies and enjoy Ep 2 and 3 but the integrations of the prequels has 'altered' the original trilogy, and I and many others think the OT was better off as an isolated trilogy. Good for everyone who loves the complete saga viewed 1-6 but if you had never watched the PT before the OT you would know the OT was never "Darth Vader's story"; Lucas just decided to do that after the fact, like many of his other changes. Long time fans of the OT don't like this, which is totally understandable.

I would like to leave it at let's just agree that different people feel differently and have different preferences about the movies, it's just certain lines from people to the effect of, "I can't understand why we are even discussing this" referring to how can one be considering watching the blu rays in any order other than 1-6 gets to me!

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Which is why I'm glad they made 1-3 so we could fully understand 4-6.

LOL, you couldn't 'fully understand' 4-6 without the prequel trilogy? For real? I mean, the Star Wars films aren't complex cinema like Citizen Kane or Inception. This is like saying: "I just didn't quite get why Wiley Coyote is after the Road Runner?" to quote my favorites ESPN feature: "C'mon man..."

The only thing that is complex about Star Wars is how they filmed them. Anyway, to stay on topic, have they posted ANY other details on the making of features that will be on the 2 trilogy bonus discs? Anyone?

[wafi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

LOL, you couldn't 'fully understand' 4-6 without the prequel trilogy? For real? I mean, the Star Wars films aren't complex cinema like Citizen Kane or Inception. This is like saying: "I just didn't quite get why Wiley Coyote is after the Road Runner?" to quote my favorites ESPN feature: "C'mon man..."

The only thing that is complex about Star Wars is how they filmed them. Anyway, to stay on topic, have they posted ANY other details on the making of features that will be on the 2 trilogy bonus discs? Anyone?

Right! Everytime I come back here its OT fans [which I am] bashing PT fans and vice versa. Almost feels like this thread's gonna be locked again! I for one would rather read about the BDs coming out instead of wading through everyone's Star Wars' opinions lol! I mean is getting along so difficult to practice, do we have to enforce our tastes on each other?

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by wafi

Right! Everytime I come back here its OT fans [which I am] bashing PT fans and vice versa. Almost feels like this thread's gonna be locked again! I for one would rather read about the BDs coming out instead of wading through everyone's Star Wars' opinions lol! I mean is getting along so difficult to practice, do we have to enforce our tastes on each other?

I agree to do my best to restrain myself and focus on the blu rays!

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by wafi

Right! Everytime I come back here its OT fans [which I am] bashing PT fans and vice versa. Almost feels like this thread's gonna be locked again! I for one would rather read about the BDs coming out instead of wading through everyone's Star Wars' opinions lol! I mean is getting along so difficult to practice, do we have to enforce our tastes on each other?

I agree with you... but it would be the same thing with other forums I think. There just few people in a LOTR thread who say that Tolkien ruined Lord of the Rings or that the books should be read in 2,3, Hobbit, 1 order.