Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

This is a film cell that someone is trying to sell on Ebay.
It is from an actual theatrical 1997 special edition print(which according to some is supposed to represent how the film originally looked)

As you can see it has a pink/white core with a mild red glow.


So this is more proof that the 2004 DVD was not so inacurate.
Just like Lucas Film maintained all along(to the chagrin of disinformed/misinformed fan boys)

You're using a shot from the '97 SE's to prove the '04 DVD's aren't inaccurate? That's funny.

The 2004 DVD is not so inaccurate? You must have missed all of those screenshots I posted comparing the '97 and '04 versions. LOL. It must be blissful to be a misinformed fanboy. Nice tactic. When evidence is posted disproving what you say, just ignore it and post the same thing again.

No one expressed any dissatisfaction with the 1997 lightsabers. Only what the 2004 DVD's did to them. You're the one who incorrectly claimed that the 2004 DVD's accurately "honored" the original appearance of the lightsabers when they clearly did not. The many comparison shots I posted showing the 1997 sabers versus the 2004 sabers confirmed that and clearly showed the problems that you originally denied. The 1997 sabers look like your ebay example while the '04 sabers look like dark pink lollipops with no cores.

Bill George of ILM on the new Blu-ray's:

"I do know that they went in and made some colour corrections on the lightsabers, because they were getting a little bit funky. But I don’t think they went in and did any pantyline removal, or anything like that."

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4150...ls-new-content

Hmmm... ILM admits that there were lightsaber issues they had to go in and fix for the Blu-rays. We've now seen the fixed saber cross from ROTJ, which was first seen in its flawed state on the 2004 set, yet you claim the 2004 DVD's were accurate. Who to believe? ILM or you?

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

You're using a shot from the '97 SE's to prove the '04 DVD's aren't inaccurate? That's funny.

The 2004 DVD is not so inaccurate? You must have missed all of those screenshots I posted comparing the '97 and '04 versions. LOL. It must be blissful to be a misinformed fanboy. Nice tactic. When evidence is posted disproving what you say, just ignore it and post the same thing again.

No one expressed any dissatisfaction with the 1997 lightsabers. Only what the 2004 DVD's did to them. You're the one who incorrectly claimed that the 2004 DVD's accurately "honored" the original appearance of the lightsabers when they clearly did not. The many comparison shots I posted showing the 1997 sabers versus the 2004 sabers confirmed that and clearly showed the problems that you originally denied. The 1997 sabers look like your ebay example while the '04 sabers look like dark pink lollipops with no cores.

Bill George of ILM on the new Blu-ray's:

"I do know that they went in and made some colour corrections on the lightsabers, because they were getting a little bit funky. But I don’t think they went in and did any pantyline removal, or anything like that."

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4150...ls-new-content

Hmmm... ILM admits that there were lightsaber issues they had to go in and fix. We've now seen the fixed saber cross from ROTJ, which was first seen in its flawed state on the 2004 set, yet you claim the 2004 DVD's were accurate. Who to believe? ILM or you?

But in this shot, the 2004 DVD has a more "red" saber than the so called "accurate" 1997 special edition:

1997 special edition film cell on left/2004 DVD on right:


And just to confirm I popped in my 1997 special edition VCD:

Here are the results:

You can see my VCD on the far left----and it matches the colour of the 1997 film cell in the middle.
Ironic that it is the 2004 DVD(again on the far right) that has the "most red saber" for this particular shot)



So it would appear there have always been inconsistencies with regards to how the sabers looked(sometimes from shot to shot) in nearly every iteration of the film(s) from it's /their inception.
Which is absolutely fine by me.
Films that were made in the optical compositing era are going to exhibit these kinds of anomalies.

The 2004 DVD is not as bad as you would like to make out.

[goldenrod]

Can we move on to something else than the lightsabers. Some think they are ok, some think they look bad. Will this go on and on forever?

For myself, I hope that they are better than the 2004 DVD's, and the crossed saber shot from Return seems to point that way.

[aiman04]

I love Star Wars.

[Show spoiler]I love this thread.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

So it would appear there have always been inconsistencies with regards to how the sabers looked(sometimes from shot to shot) in nearly every iteration of the film(s) from it's /their inception.

Do your research before stating innacuracies.

I think you need to review the research I already posted for you in terms of the screenshots and the admission by ILM. And check your monitor while you're at it. The '97 ebay/then vcd shot you posted shows a correct saber with a whitish core and red glow just as my examples have. The 2004 shot you posted showed an orange-like saber with barely any core, not "more red" as you claimed. Just another example of proof of the saber flaws brought about by the 2004 DVD's!! You do realize that you just gave me and everyone else another example of the problems created by the 2004 set? In the '97 shot you posted, the saber was perfect. You then posted a 2004 shot showing a saber flaw that did not exist in 1997. Thank you. I missed that 2004 flaw. Now we know another one.

You gave me more proof to use against you. You just proved yourself wrong. You're making this too easy, you know?

No one denies that there were saber inconsistencies from the beginning. What you deny and everyone else knows to be true, is that the 2004 set introduced lightsaber problems that never existed before and you gave me yet another example with that orange saber from 2004.

Do better research next time so you won't prove your "opponent's" arguments for him. And please, don't use Burger King/McDonald's drinking glasses as your next "example".

[dvdmike]

The Sabres always changed from shot to shot as they had to comp them over varying backgrounds

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The Sabres always changed from shot to shot as they had to comp them over varying backgrounds

Never have truer words been spoken!

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

LOL!
You are colour blind aswell as living in denial.

If the 2004 edition introduced errors as you claim then why does the colour of Vaders saber in the foto on the right(from the 2004 DVD):

[Show spoiler]

....match the colour of the saber in this shot(from the making of Empire documentary from 1980---which was sourced from a then fresh 16/35mm print)


The whole point is there never was any consistency.

Was the orange saber in the '92 VHS set, the '93 DC LD set, the '95 Faces set, the '97 SE's? No. Was it in the 2004 DVD's? Yes.

Wow. You've used photos of supposed "Technicolor" prints. You've used photos of screenshots from a television showing a 29 year-old VHS tape, lol. You've used Ebay ads and vcd shots that defeated your own argument. You're now using footage from a behind-the-scenes doc. What's next? Bootleg footage from a 15-year-old video camera taken in a theater in 1997? Face it. You've lost. You lost the minute you tried to defend the heavily flawed 2004 set. You were shown to be wrong by Adywan, Deciazulado, myself, and many others. You've went from claiming that pink was the right color, to ignoring the examples that myself and the others have shown, to now using 1997 shots that only further prove the flaws from 2004.

You conveniently ignored all of my screenshots from '97 and '04 and the ILM article which admitted the lightsaber flaws that they had to fix. You ignored the flawed saber cross from ROTJ on the 2004 set that never existed prior, that is now fixed. Yet the 2004 set was fine as you claim, right?

You can post twenty more times and type five paragraphs per post and include shots from magazines and drinking glasses. You'll still be wrong. Have fun in fanboy fantasyland.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

The whole point is there never was any consistency.

Your argument never involved the consistency issue. Everyone knows the lightsabers have had consistency issues from the beginning, although nothing like 2004. Not even close. That's not what you were talking about in the beginning. You falsely claimed that the 2004 set was "faithful but different", lol, to the original source and that the sabers always looked that way.

Myself and others posted screenshots proving that the 2004 set introduced flaws that were never present before in the lightsabers. I even used ILM employees as an example. The shots are there, top and bottom, proving you incorrect. Beaten in your argument that the 2004 set wasn't flawed, you're now reverting to consistency, something no one was debating earlier.

[kenkraly2004]

I looked at the image of luke from ESB on the 2004 dvd and no pink hue at all. I think the pink hue had to do with compression of the 2nd blu-ray trailer video but who knows and that hopefully will not be on the blu-ray.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Mate you are in fantasy fan boy land.
As for Adywan--he fled to OT.com and shamlessly baited me from there.

And regarding the 1997 special edition---it is the screen shots that you don't show--like this one from my own VCD that was released in 2000:

I deal in reality only as the screenshot comparisons and ILM employee examples illustrate. As for Adywan, he destroyed your false arguments here, as I did, and Decuilzado did, and moved on from you. They're both smarter than I am, apparently. Adywan always posts at both places. I'm sure he'll be back. Fled from here, lol. Fantasyland. His points and mine used facts and evidence. Your posts are nothing more than telling someone that blue grass is correct when it was always green or a shade of green in the past. You're trolling and looking for the last word. Having the last word won't make you right.

Why do you keep bringing up Adywan? Go find him or PM him if you're so obsessed with him.

A vcd shot, lol? It still looks much better than the dark pink lollipops from the 2004 set. What's your point? Oh, you don't have one. Consistency issues were always known to be a problem. The debate you began in this thread was your false claim that the 2004 sets weren't flawed. It's been convincingly shown that the 2004 sets are flawed and have created problems where none ever existed before. See '97 and '04 screenshot comparisons a few pages back. You refuse to accept that you were wrong and move on. Instead, you invent a straw man and try to shift the debate you lost over to consistency issues.

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

Digitally manipulated editions, lol. Even my old VHS and LD sets prove my argument.

It is because they prove you wrong--that is why you do not show them!

[crazyBLUE]

Can we move on.

[HylianBowcaster]

Was it today that they were going to show off some of the Blu-ray at some UK event? I'm surprised I didn't see much coverage of that.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Can we move on.

I agree! Or at least wait and see what it looks like on the release.

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

LOL. No, they look the same as the newer '97 sabers like I posted, except for some of the flawed sabers in the ANH duel. That is why I do not show them!



Wrong again!

edit-sorry. Didn't see crazyBlue's post.

It is because they are not flawed!

You claim older source material from the 1970's/1980's is not reliable as a reference---yet the original making of star wars documentary actually broke down the composition of the sabers:

Here is the original optical element used for both Obi and Vader's sabers:
Note the extreme red:



And here it is superimposed in the final composite(as seen in the same 1977 documentary):



Which conforms to both the 2004(and hence blu ray)DVD and 1977 techniclolor print:

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by HylianBowcaster

Was it today that they were going to show off some of the Blu-ray at some UK event? I'm surprised I didn't see much coverage of that.

I think there were some reports, Jeremy Bulloch was there if I'm not mistaken. But yeah I would like more news about the video, obviously fixes done but to what extent we're still unsure of. We do know that new audio mix being used, so we can put that to rest.

[Lincoln6Echo]

Hmm, pink Sith lightsabers? Really? Have any of you watched the Clone Wars series? Should I go on? OK...I will...Ahem...Sith light sabers are RED!!! (with white cores, obviously)

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Can we move on.

Here! Here! Dear Lord, can we move on. Can I get a witness?

[goldenrod]

why can't I access page 976?