Gladiator (2000)

[KilloWertz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

Shouldn't a popular catalog title, Best Picture winner be reference quality? Especially from the director of Alien and Blade Runner?

Not necessarily. Just because a director has done other movies that are reference quality doesn't mean that the director couldn't want the movie to have a certain look (which could keep it from being reference quality). Gladiator is a different story, but still.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by benricci

Shouldn't every film be given the best transfer possible?

Definitely, yes. However, I can see how something like Howard the Duck would probably have less of a budget for restoration/remastering than Gladiator. There's obviously a point where the work costs more than will ever be made back through sales for some titles. I think the point of contention for many is that a high profile title like Gladiator should have been afforded better treatment. At least that's my frustration with it. There are many catalog titles that aren't "big" titles like Gladiator that have had more care put into them.

[JamesKurtovich]

It isn't "does every blu-ray have to be reference quality"... not every blu-ray needs to be reference quality, but every BD should look like FILM and have a certain film-like quality. the issue with this release is DNR and EE, right? They need to re-release Gladiator that hasn't been touched by this crappy means of "improvement".

[mdm1699]

I wonder if the transfer would have been acceptable if HD-DVD was still around. Ok, it is better than the DVD versions. Is that all that Blu-ray is aiming for? Some of the comments are indeed over the top, but this is no ordinary title. Hence, the passionate response from fans. Get with it folks!

[42041]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

It isn't "does every blu-ray have to be reference quality"... not every blu-ray needs to be reference quality, but every BD should look like FILM and have a certain film-like quality. the issue with this release is DNR and EE, right? They need to re-release Gladiator that hasn't been touched by this crappy means of "improvement".

If this was a relatively natural looking yet soft and blurry disc I'd still find it pretty disappointing. Nah, this is a movie that deserves to be reference all the way. Pull that film out of those vaults and fire up those fancy DI scanners, you studio lunkheads

[Audio5oh]

Why can't we all just get along? He he he....Didn't something similar happen with the release of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines? Warner Brothers released it in Dec 2007, however, it was presented in 1080i instead of 1080p. The following year, Feb 2008, it was re-released in 1080p. Ok, i don't wanna start another thread comparing the difference between 1080i and 1080p, I'm just saying that the problem was fixed by the movie studio. Maybe they'll fix Gladiator too?

[QuasidodoJr]

For me, I just don't see the point in continuing to complain about this transfer on a message board! Send e-mails and complaints to people that matter. All I do is read your posts and think to myself, "Wow! You're only the 100th person to say the same exact thing. For God's sake, move along!"

[Elvis]

Gladiator #1 in sales.

[42041]

Originally Posted by QuasidodoJr

For me, I just don't see the point in continuing to complain about this transfer on a message board! Send e-mails and complaints to people that matter. All I do is read your posts and think to myself, "Wow! You're only the 100th person to say the same exact thing. For God's sake, move along!"

while i won't dispute that this topic has been driven several miles into the ground at this point, you really think sending an email to some ineffectual customer service schlub, who'll just toss your and everyone else's email in the garbage, is going to be more effective than posting in a forum where thousands of people will see it?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

It isn't "does every blu-ray have to be reference quality"... not every blu-ray needs to be reference quality, but every BD should look like FILM and have a certain film-like quality. the issue with this release is DNR and EE, right? They need to re-release Gladiator that hasn't been touched by this crappy means of "improvement".

Exactly. The idea that every Blu-ray should look film-like and natural is often lost.

[QuasidodoJr]

Originally Posted by 42041

while i won't dispute that this topic has been driven several miles into the ground at this point, you really think sending an email to some ineffectual customer service schlub, who'll just toss your and everyone else's email in the garbage, is going to be more effective than posting in a forum where thousands of people will see it?

None of the people that matter will see it. Or care.

Do you honestly think anyone at Paramount is reading this thread? If so, I have a nice bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Darkhawk9587]

Originally Posted by QuasidodoJr

None of the people that matter will see it. Or care.

Do you honestly think anyone at Paramount is reading this thread? If so, I have a nice bridge I'd like to sell you.

+1 People will buy this regardless of the critics. And Paramount won't care so long as they're selling the product.

[dushuai]

ye.........
the movie is hitting me when it comes out.


then just hitting ... down me. Y_Y

[robertc88]

Originally Posted by Darkhawk9587

+1 People will buy this regardless of the critics. And Paramount won't care so long as they're selling the product.

And if it is released again, people will buy that as well. Why? Simply because it is Gladiator and they want the best available product on the market.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by David Forbes

You know, Penton, your continued defense of a very sub-par release of a Sapphire Series product is somewhat mind-boggling. Is Blu-ray about quality or not? This release is not what it should be, by any measurable standard.

Btw, Jeff "the Bland" has said many times over he's more interested in the audio side of things than the video side. Not that he doesn't want the best, but in the past he's certainly been more forgiving of sub-par titles than others.

Why not just stick to DVD if we're not going to get the best from Blu?

I was wondering the same thing. who's bed is his boots under?

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by robertc88

And if it is released again, people will buy that as well. Why? Simply because it is Gladiator and they want the best available product on the market.

It wont be re-released for many years....way too many titles from Paramount to get out there. Plus this is a LOADED disc anyway.

[Blu Nick]

Originally Posted by Elvis

It wont be re-released for many years....way too many titles from Paramount to get out there. Plus this is a LOADED disc anyway.

That may be but the PQ of the feature is very poor and you know it Elvis

[SBrooks1]

Originally Posted by Blu Nick

That may be but the PQ of the feature is very poor and you know it Elvis

I think it's comments like this that make Penton-Man reply the way he's done in regard to this title. Gladiator's PQ is NOT poor...AT ALL. In fact it's not even close to poor. Do we all wish the entire movie looked as good as the Extended Edition scenes? Yes. We all know the theatrical version isn't reference quality. Everyone knows it; even Penton. But let's not go overboard here to the point where we're calling it "poor".

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by QuasidodoJr

For me, I just don't see the point in continuing to complain about this transfer on a message board! Send e-mails and complaints to people that matter. All I do is read your posts and think to myself, "Wow! You're only the 100th person to say the same exact thing. For God's sake, move along!"

maybe they sent an email to paramount AND posted in the forum. i did. how do i know what other people do? i don't.

even if they dont send paramount an email and just post in the forum, who cares? it is what it is. nobody forces us to enter any forum except us.

[Yeha-Noha]

I rented it from Blockbuster. Watched the extended version. The edge enhancement is quite noticeable on my 52" Bravia. I like to see BDs that look more like film. This one definitely doesn't to me.

Although the overall PQ is better than my upscaled my DVD release of Gladiator, I won't be adding this BD to my collection.