HBO's "Game Of Thrones" Discussion (2011-2019)

[aberrero]

Originally Posted by manutd123

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but is the Night King and his threat over?

Has this been confirmed by the writers, producers etc? Or are we to expect a twist?

I don't think anything has been confirmed, and its not out of the question he comes back.

Some fans say his death was unsatisfying and meaningless, and there is no way they will end the series like this. I don't know if that's true, but its not out of hte question.

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by wonderer99

It's a shame 90% of the conversations are about darkness. Get a half decent TV and dim the lights. Episode is fine then. The majority of those complaining are probably the stare at their phones with all the lights on kind of viewer. Not all, but most.

I'm gonna go with the cinematographer > Twitter whiners on this one.

Yeah, sure. It's so easy for people to casually drop a thousand or more on a new/better TV just to properly enjoy a show.

I have a 2016 LG 43Lh5000 1080p LED setup. And it was viewed in a completely darkened room.

But I agree, it's a shame that I'm going to assume a large percentage of viewers watch this on their phones/laptop which is only worse in this episodes case as you can't see shit.

Game Of Thrones 8x03 - Long Night (Great War Part 1) 4KHD - YouTube

[DasRetroKid]

Originally Posted by jayman3

[Show spoiler]Game Of Thrones 8x03 - Long Night (Great War Part 1) 4KHD - YouTube

Without knowing what device is streaming here or anything about the TV's settings, at first glance I would say this is a color spacing issue.

In other words, this persons TV is set to display the 16-235 range, while the device that the signal is coming from is sending the full 0-255 range. The device needs to be changed to send the 16-235 range.

On most devices these output settings are known as "Limited" and "Full Range" or (RGB Full). For TV and Movies, you will want limited.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by DasRetroKid

Without knowing what device is streaming here or anything about the TV's settings, at first glance I would say this is a color spacing issue.

In other words, this persons TV is set to display the 16-235 range, while the device that the signal is coming from is sending the full 0-255 range. The device needs to be changed to send the 16-235 range.

On most devices these output settings are known as "Limited" and "Full Range" or (RGB Full). For TV and Movies, you will want limited.

Yeah, I think that’s the issue with that clip. My TV’s default was Full Range and everything looked messed up.

The HBOGO and on demand versions look nothing like that clip.

[DasRetroKid]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

Yeah, I think that’s the issue with that clip. My TV’s default was Full Range and everything looked messed up.

The HBOGO and on demand versions look nothing like that clip.

I'm 99% sure. When I first setup my PS4 to watch GoT, the first episode of this season looked exactly like that (super dark). I knew something was wrong, so I checked my video output settings and sure enough my display output was set to "Auto" which was in fact, sending the wrong color space (Full). I switched it to Limited, and problem was solved.

[PS-RagE]

This morning I watched "The Long Night" once again.

I tried it first on my laptop and the picture was just as nasty as on the TV (originally watched on Samsung UN82NU8000FXZC with AppleTV4K source).

However, when I opened the CraveTV app on my iPad Pro, the image I saw was unbelievable! The shadows were flawlessly blended from inky blacks to subtle greys and within those shadows was perfect detail. It is no exaggeration when I say that every scene in this episode was metered with precision. The natural lighting in some of the shots was jaw-dropping beautiful.

I tried to get some screen caps but I guess there is some variety of DRM in place.

I can only conclude that:

• the data stream has been optimized for mobile devices
• the image resolution is far too low for proper display on large screens
• the image compression is far too aggressive for proper display on large screens
• Apple is not just boasting when they claim how good their "Retina" display is

(at least two of those are accurate)

The cinematographer must have been devastated when he saw what the HBO stream did to his work. It really was ruined.

I don't think they'll have to do anything for the UHD release.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by PS-RagE

This morning I watched "The Long Night" once again.

I tried it first on my laptop and the picture was just as nasty as on the TV (originally watched on Samsung UN82NU8000FXZC with AppleTV4K source).

However, when I opened the CraveTV app on my iPad Pro, the image I saw was unbelievable! The shadows were flawlessly blended from inky blacks to subtle greys and within those shadows was perfect detail. It is no exaggeration when I say that every scene in this episode was metered with precision. The natural lighting in some of the shots was jaw-dropping beautiful.

I tried to get some screen caps but I guess there is some variety of DRM in place.

I can only conclude that:

• the data stream has been optimized for mobile devices
• the image resolution is far too low for proper display on large screens
• the image compression is far too aggressive for proper display on large screens
• Apple is not just boasting when they claim how good their "Retina" display is

(at least two of those are accurate)

The cinematographer must have been devastated when he saw what the HBO stream did to his work. It really was ruined.

I don't think they'll have to do anything for the UHD release.

It’s a shame a lot of people watched the horrific broadcast and might not see it again on blu-ray. It’s visually one of the most stunning episodes of TV, ever:
https://twitter.com/nextbestpicture/...200574976?s=21

[Ray Jackson]

Who will be the next major character to die?

...and how?

[dcowboy7]

Who did this ep -- stevie wonder ??

[mredman]

This ep was to show streaming is ASS and Blu-Ray is ALWAYS the way to go for anything. thank you GoT producers.

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

Yeah, I think that’s the issue with that clip. My TV’s default was Full Range and everything looked messed up.

The HBOGO and on demand versions look nothing like that clip.

Agreed. Clip I shared looked a lot darker than what I saw when watching through the app.

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by DasRetroKid

Without knowing what device is streaming here or anything about the TV's settings, at first glance I would say this is a color spacing issue.

In other words, this persons TV is set to display the 16-235 range, while the device that the signal is coming from is sending the full 0-255 range. The device needs to be changed to send the 16-235 range.

On most devices these output settings are known as "Limited" and "Full Range" or (RGB Full). For TV and Movies, you will want limited.

Exactly what happened in my case. Once that was changed and compression aside, this really is a beautiful episode.

[Keenan]

Originally Posted by Brahby

[Show spoiler]

Exactly what happened in my case. Once that was changed and compression aside, this really is a beautiful episode.

Can I ask you what time stamp that image is?

Thanks

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by Keenan

Can I ask you what time stamp that image is?

Thanks

Im at work at the moment but I can check when I am home again in a few hours.

[DasRetroKid]

Originally Posted by Brahby

Exactly what happened in my case. Once that was changed and compression aside, this really is a beautiful episode.

It's incredible what one wrong setting can do, and yes, I can't wait to see it on Blu

[Keenan]

Originally Posted by Brahby

Im at work at the moment but I can check when I am home again in a few hours.

Thanks!

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by DasRetroKid

It's incredible what one wrong setting can do, and yes, I can't wait to see it on Blu

I agree with both statements. This is going to be an absolute treat in 4k HDR.

[The Lizard King]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMEnN-IT4I

[wonderer99]

Originally Posted by Brahby

Exactly what happened in my case. Once that was changed and compression aside, this really is a beautiful episode.

Holy crap if that top picture is how people were seeing it then I get the complaints. As you say though, the episode looked gorgeous when viewed correctly.

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by wonderer99

Holy crap if that top picture is how people were seeing it then I get the complaints. As you say though, the episode looked gorgeous when viewed correctly.

I think a decent number of people probably were. I have watched the previous episodes on that same apple tv and never caught on that the black level setting may be mismatched. Things looked a little darker but nothing excessive like that before. I watched the whole episode like that before getting into a heated argument with another friend that he kept insinuating I was just *****ing about it being dark and it was a creative choice and I was over reacting. In some scenes it wasnt nearly as bad so I genuinely believed what I was watching was correct especially when it became a meme the following day.



In this pic the top is correct and the bottom was how I originally watched it, so again I think you can understand why I made it through the whole episode watching it that way.