Fire and Ice - Blu-ray Forum

luscious · 06-15-2009, 06:14 AM

The blurb says the animator is controversial ... why is this animated film controversial? What's controversial about it?

Batman1980 · 06-15-2009, 06:27 AM

Looks like it was done by a darker anime creator, if so not that surprising. There are some anime out there that shock even me and I'm not easily shocked.

luscious · 06-15-2009, 06:43 AM

Hmm I saw the trailer

http://www.blue-underground.com/product.php?product=176

and it seems like a normal animated flick to me. I guess they did a restoration. It has two 7.1 lossless tracks. Is this the first Dolby TrueHD 7.1 blu-ray? Definitely the first with both.

jacobb1313 · 06-15-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Looks like it was done by a darker anime creator, if so not that surprising. There are some anime out there that shock even me and I'm not easily shocked.

I wouldn't call Ralph Bakshi anime. Anime infers Japanese. Bakshi was involved in heavily adult and underground fare of the '70's in America, notably Fritz the Cat and Coonskin. Fire and Ice is very much like the work of illustrator Frank Frazetta (google it for some AMAZING stuff) ~ on Blu, this is really, really exciting~~!!

sbjork · 06-15-2009, 09:41 AM

The blurb is correct in saying that the animator is controversial. Bakshi pioneered "adult" animation back in the Seventies. Both Fritz the Cat and Heavy Traffic were originally rated "X". Needless to say, both films were highly controversial at the time, even if they appear a bit mild by today's standards. The aforementioned Coonskin (which was retitled Streetfight when it was released on VHS years ago) satirizes racial stereotypes by featuring extreme racial stereotypes -- including a big-lipped main character. The controversy over that film has never died down, which is why it has been little seen on home video.

In the case of Fire and Ice, however, there is no particularly controversial material. It is violent for a cartoon, but fully within the boundaries of its PG rating. It is well worth a look, though I would suggest renting it first if you have no experience with Bakshi's films.

Jorge Cordeiro · 06-15-2009, 10:42 AM

I love the movie. I was lucky enought to watch it 14 years ago on a vhs of my cousin and love it!
controversial or not, Blind instant buy for me.
I think the movie is so underrated...at least in Europe.

benricci · 06-15-2009, 01:35 PM

lol Fire and Ice is not anime.

Teabaggins · 06-15-2009, 01:40 PM

I would like the original "Heavy Metal" on blu.

the sequel "F.A.K.K 2"

....was more like a "Fakk U" to the fans of the original.

RSuarez · 06-15-2009, 01:45 PM

Yeah I would suggest a rental first if you have not seen it...

In my case, day 1 purchase! I have always loved this film and I do hope the restoration is well made, the DVD did not look that good IMO

P@t_Mtl · 06-15-2009, 02:28 PM

I will be getting this on release

lobo81865 · 06-15-2009, 03:05 PM

I own the 2 disc special edition DVD, so the Blu will be a first day purchse. I love Bakshi, and would like to see more of his films on Blu. I've seen most all of them.

Deadset · 06-15-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lobo81865

I own the 2 disc special edition DVD, so the Blu will be a first day purchse. I love Bakshi, and would like to see more of his films on Blu. I've seen most all of them.

Same here, this is a classic movie. I especially like the Frank Frazetta documentary, anyone who loves fantasy art needs to pick this up.

This movie is in my top 10.

As for it the animation being controversial? There is a scantly clad damsel in distress, but that's about it. Bakshi himself has done some more controversial films like Fritz the Cat, Coon skin and Heavy Traffic.

Teabaggins · 06-15-2009, 04:08 PM

I've never seen Coonskin but I love Fritz the Cat.

the Frazetta doc "Painting with Fire" is amazing. the man had a stroke and then learned how to draw and paint with his left hand. it's inspiring

Dubstar · 06-15-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Teabaggins

I've never seen Coonskin but I love Fritz the Cat.

the Frazetta doc "Painting with Fire" is amazing. the man had a stroke and then learned how to draw and paint with his left hand. it's inspiring

oh is the doc now included?? I thought the bluray wasn't retaining it.

as for 'Coonskin' I loved it, shame that like 'Song of the South' a DVD release is highly unlikely.

Teabaggins · 06-15-2009, 04:25 PM

oh I was just talking about Painting with Fire as a separate issue, I have no idea if it's on this or not

Dubstar · 06-15-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Teabaggins

oh I was just talking about Painting with Fire as a separate issue, I have no idea if it's on this or not

from what I've read - it's not.

DetroitSportsFan · 06-15-2009, 06:05 PM

It's rated PG, so it can't be that controversial.

kpkelley · 06-15-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

It's rated PG, so it can't be that controversial.

The illustrator is controversial, not the film.

Deadset · 06-15-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubstar

from what I've read - it's not.

That is a sever mistake! The guy was brilliant to say the least. Yet another DVD I'll keep to have the special features...

[1080-p] · 06-15-2009, 07:36 PM

i say bring it on http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/im...824535-000.jpg

06-15-2009, 06:14 AM	#1
luscious Banned Member since:May 2009 Location:I'm usually hanging out at Hooters (open to all ages) or an 18+ juice bar Blu-ray reviews:50	Fire and Ice The blurb says the animator is controversial ... why is this animated film controversial? What's controversial about it?

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06-15-2009, 06:27 AM	#2
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	Looks like it was done by a darker anime creator, if so not that surprising. There are some anime out there that shock even me and I'm not easily shocked.

06-15-2009, 06:43 AM	#3
luscious Banned Member since:May 2009 Location:I'm usually hanging out at Hooters (open to all ages) or an 18+ juice bar Blu-ray reviews:50	Hmm I saw the trailer http://www.blue-underground.com/product.php?product=176 and it seems like a normal animated flick to me. I guess they did a restoration. It has two 7.1 lossless tracks. Is this the first Dolby TrueHD 7.1 blu-ray? Definitely the first with both.

06-15-2009, 09:41 AM	#5
sbjork Active Member Member since:Oct 2008	The blurb is correct in saying that the animator is controversial. Bakshi pioneered "adult" animation back in the Seventies. Both Fritz the Cat and Heavy Traffic were originally rated "X". Needless to say, both films were highly controversial at the time, even if they appear a bit mild by today's standards. The aforementioned Coonskin (which was retitled Streetfight when it was released on VHS years ago) satirizes racial stereotypes by featuring extreme racial stereotypes -- including a big-lipped main character. The controversy over that film has never died down, which is why it has been little seen on home video. In the case of Fire and Ice, however, there is no particularly controversial material. It is violent for a cartoon, but fully within the boundaries of its PG rating. It is well worth a look, though I would suggest renting it first if you have no experience with Bakshi's films.

06-15-2009, 10:42 AM	#6
Jorge Cordeiro Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Paradise	I love the movie. I was lucky enought to watch it 14 years ago on a vhs of my cousin and love it! controversial or not, Blind instant buy for me. I think the movie is so underrated...at least in Europe.

06-15-2009, 01:35 PM	#7
benricci Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	lol Fire and Ice is not anime.

06-15-2009, 01:40 PM	#8
Teabaggins Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2008	I would like the original "Heavy Metal" on blu. the sequel "F.A.K.K 2" ....was more like a "Fakk U" to the fans of the original.

06-15-2009, 01:45 PM	#9
RSuarez Power Member Member since:Jan 2009 Location:MX / TX Home Theater Gallery:22 4K collection:6 Blu-ray collection:607	Yeah I would suggest a rental first if you have not seen it... In my case, day 1 purchase! I have always loved this film and I do hope the restoration is well made, the DVD did not look that good IMO

06-15-2009, 02:28 PM	#10
P@t_Mtl Blu-ray Duke Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Montreal Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:452 DVD collection:513 Trading Score:3	I will be getting this on release

06-15-2009, 03:05 PM	#11
lobo81865 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Aug 2008 Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:562 Blu-ray collection:3659 DVD collection:3337 MA collection:1323 Digital collection:3018 iTunes collection:1551 Prime collection:950 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:102	I own the 2 disc special edition DVD, so the Blu will be a first day purchse. I love Bakshi, and would like to see more of his films on Blu. I've seen most all of them.

06-15-2009, 04:08 PM	#13
Teabaggins Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2008	I've never seen Coonskin but I love Fritz the Cat. the Frazetta doc "Painting with Fire" is amazing. the man had a stroke and then learned how to draw and paint with his left hand. it's inspiring

06-15-2009, 04:25 PM	#15
Teabaggins Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2008	oh I was just talking about Painting with Fire as a separate issue, I have no idea if it's on this or not

06-15-2009, 06:05 PM	#17
DetroitSportsFan Hot Deals Moderator Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Michigan 4K collection:439 Blu-ray collection:2226 Trading Score:93	It's rated PG, so it can't be that controversial.

06-15-2009, 07:36 PM	#20
[1080-p] Banned Member since:Jan 2009 Location:house	i say bring it on http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/im...824535-000.jpg

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