Movie Posters Discussion Thread

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Moleman1138

If it's 27x40, I don't buy anywhere but movieposter.com. I hate buying reprints and single sided. In some cases it's impossible to find a double-sided. Now I have bought some knockoffs at moviepostershop.com, mainly the 11x17 "masterprints" just to fill in some holes where a large poster can't fit. But if anything I want the real deal.

Sadly the days of thinking an original IS an original based only on it's size are in the past, and you can thank those dealers who sell fakes/reprints in the same size which only confuses collectors. I'd have more respect for them if they offered them in 24x36 and 26x39 inch sizes and openly admit they are in fact reproductions. MoviePosterShop (aka MovieGoods) likes to offer reprints in the 27x40 inch size, but don't like to stress they are in fact reprints, when they are.

[roar]

Originally Posted by snsguy

I was buying from them but the last few times I got damaged posters. They replaced them but it made me question whether or not I should keep buying from them.

SNSGUY

Sorry to hear stuff is getting damaged in shipping from them. I'm pretty lucky, I can just take a drive and pick them up.

I would drop Kinsella here a PM if you are looking for anything at all though, especially if you are in the states, he packs really well and it would have less of a trip from Washington than coming across the boarder.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by snsguy

I was buying from them but the last few times I got damaged posters. They replaced them but it made me question whether or not I should keep buying from them.SNSGUY

You could have all the originals that customers want but if you can't package posters properly it doesn't matter. When I ship out I always anticipate the abuse the carriers dish out to packages, better to be safe than sorry.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by roar

Sorry to hear stuff is getting damaged in shipping from them. I'm pretty lucky, I can just take a drive and pick them up.

I would drop Kinsella here a PM if you are looking for anything at all though, especially if you are in the states, he packs really well and it would have less of a trip from Washington than coming across the boarder.

Thanks for the kind words. What is getting increasingly difficult is the international shipping, First Class International Mail, while the most affordable has restrictions and isn't insurable and I really want to phase that out because with theft and damages that can occur, there is no protection for seller or buyer. Priority Mail International is though much more expensive and the only difference is it is insurable, but now the UK has limited Priority Mail packages insurance amount, so you can't add additional insurance to packages shipping into their country. Its getting to be a no win situation for international collectors and it's very unfortunate.

[Moleman1138]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

Sadly the days of thinking an original IS an original based only on it's size are in the past, and you can thank those dealers who sell fakes/reprints in the same size which only confuses collectors. I'd have more respect for them if they offered them in 24x36 and 26x39 inch sizes and openly admit they are in fact reproductions. MoviePosterShop (aka MovieGoods) likes to offer reprints in the 27x40 inch size, but don't like to stress they are in fact reprints, when they are.

Are there double sided fakes, because I don't think I've ever run across any in my years of collecting. A double sided poster has a different feel to it than a single sided reprint and every doubled sided 27x40 I own feels exactly the same.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Moleman1138

Are there double sided fakes, because I don't think I've ever run across any in my years of collecting. A double sided poster has a different feel to it than a single sided reprint and every doubled sided 27x40 I own feels exactly the same.

Unfortunately the answer is "yes" but I don't think they are nearly as apparent now as they were just a few years ago because as I have mentioned before double-sided posters had undergone a new look per say when the studios started issuing them with a "lighter" back side to them. Not all studios started doing that at the same time, for example Paramount Pictures I believed started doing it before Warner Brothers as an example. The "feel" as you mentioned is interesting, perhaps you can elaborate on what you meant. I do know though that the double-sided originals for Blade Runner: The Final Cut do feel different than the single-sided originals with regards to the paper stock that was used. While I have both, I can tell the difference based on touch if that is what you meant.

Everyone knows it is much easier to produce a single-sided reprint much easier than a double-sided one, but I remember when The Dark Knight 2nd advance came out in late December 2007 and then Ledger passed at the end of January 2008, that poster was still up in theaters and of course everyone wanted that poster of him (known as the "Why So Serious?" Joker style or the official title of it being the advance style "B"). Most dealers that had originals sold out within days of his passing, and then suddenly you started seeing people flooding eBay with them. I had a few customers of mine email me saying they had noticed MovieGoods offering a 27x40 poster of it and when asked, their customer service stated it was a reproduction (although they didn't state it on the site as they usually seem to refrain from that bit of info) but it was 27x40 and "double-sided". They each verified that what they were told was correct. I myself verified that with them as well and then ordered one and it was a poorly produced knock-off double-sided. I then started questioning people on eBay who suddenly were selling movie posters, particularly that style and all had said they bought them from MovieGoods and thought they were originals because they were double-sided and they though double-sided "meant" it was an original, and that somehow they had goofed and shipped them by mistake. The all said they got really good deals and figured they would order more because they felt they were making money on eBay but they were claiming they were originals when in fact they were poorly produced knock-offs so you had people with zero knowledge of movie posters simply selling them because they "thought" they were originals.

There have been double-sided fakes for Twilight as well as the original Spider-Man, and other titles. You have to remember in every collectible out there, there are a group of people who don't care about the collectors, who don't care about misrepresenting their products, who are simply in it to make a fast buck. From shoes, watches, to women's handbags, there are knockoffs out there being peddled, some to suspecting collectors who figure it out after the fact, to some who haven't a clue and still don't realize they have a fake.

There was a time when all you needed to tell an original from a reprint was the size, then it was if a poster was double-sided or single-sided (although single-sided originals do exist, collectors tend to prefer double-sided when possible, but single-sided originals can be more affordable). In the case of the Joker Dark Knight advance style "B", the market has pretty much dried up in the sense that there isn't this giant flow of them out there. Whatever is out there is out there, those dealers who have them offered on their websites, etc have x amount and once they are gone, they are gone, it's not a poster that is readily available. That is the case of most movie posters, they tend to be the most affordable when they come out and then gradually increase over time, some faster than others. People have asked me what the Joker poster will be worth and its very difficult to tell. It's kind of like saying what a stock will be worth in five years or ten years, etc. No one knows. That poster will always have a following and will continue to rise in value, of course this is just one example for one poster, and naturally is my opinion, and no one else. At the higher end I see dealers offering them for $325-$350, at the lower end I see them being offered for $200 and slightly lower. But with fakes out there on that poster, especially double-sided, you have to remain on guard but authentic ones do exist if you look in the right places.

I am not the world's authority on movie posters, never have claimed to be, there are a lot of very knowledgeable people in the poster industry, most tend to specialize in a certain area, from classics, to 70's through the 90's and those who are more knowledgeable on current releases. I always encourage people to ask questions first to anyone who sells posters, from dealers to those who sell on eBay, and make sure they feel comfortable with their purchase before doing so. If someone doesn't provide the answers or feel put off that a person is asking questions, then don't give them the business.

While I have no problems with people wanting reprints over originals, and no problem with dealers selling reprints and originals on their sites, my problem is when a dealer doesn't bother to list a poster as a reproduction, but also suddenly starts printing them up in the same size as what originals are because reprints were always smaller by at least an inch for many years when it came to poster size. I also take issue with those dealers and individuals, who know who they are, that simply are taking images from the internet and printing up their own posters and trying to pass them off as official when they aren't. What I saw being sold at the recent WonderCon convention was upsetting, especially when someone showed me a Thor poster that never was an actual movie poster but was simply an image made into a poster that looked like it was printed at a local Kinko's, etc. From the grainy fuzzy lettering to the paper stock, it was not even a licensed reprint, it was clearly a counterfeit that someone offered with no hesitation or fear. And then you have those who sell posters, case in point the recent Dark Knight Rises one that features shattered glass and a helicopter in the sky as "unofficial artwork" when in reality they are selling a poster of fan art, etc.

There are plenty of other examples I could cite, but I think you get the idea of what ultimately I am trying to put forth here.

[Rblu-Dblu]

What's going on with the Hunger Games posters? I see a ton of fakes out there but I cant find any originals. I really wanted the final style. Maybe I can get one of my local theaters to let me get it when they take it down?? Anybody had any success with this?

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

What's going on with the Hunger Games posters? I see a ton of fakes out there but I cant find any originals. I really wanted the final style. Maybe I can get one of my local theaters to let me get it when they take it down?? Anybody had any success with this?

Where are you seeing the "ton of fakes" you mentioned? I know there are a lot of mini-posters out there (probably from the recent Hunger Games tour that went to various Microsoft Retail Stores as they were handed out to fans there) but I think with regards to originals, because the film was something that surprised a lot of people, and I believe was put out by a smaller studio (Lionsgate) there probably aren't many originals outside of those shipped to theaters. That was the case for the original Twilight posters too.

[Rblu-Dblu]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

Where are you seeing the "ton of fakes" you mentioned? I know there are a lot of mini-posters out there (probably from the recent Hunger Games tour that went to various Microsoft Retail Stores as they were handed out to fans there) but I think with regards to originals, because the film was something that surprised a lot of people, and I believe was put out by a smaller studio (Lionsgate) there probably aren't many originals outside of those shipped to theaters. That was the case for the original Twilight posters too.

Searching around the internet I've seen a lot of reproductions on Ebay and those sites you mentioned that werent very reputable. Thanks for keeping me well informed Jon. I likely would have unknowingly purchased from one of those sites and been ripped off.

Only reason I was searching was because you mentioned you did not receive them. I'd much rather buy from you and help out my blu-ray brothers.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

Searching around the internet I've seen a lot of reproductions on Ebay and those sites you mentioned that werent very reputable. Thanks for keeping me well informed Jon. I likely would have unknowingly purchased from one of those sites and been ripped off.

No problem, if I find anyone offering originals I will let people know here, I am sure there are originals on eBay from people who work at theaters, but generally they aren't in near-mint/mint condition.

[Moleman1138]

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Originally Posted by Kinsella5

Unfortunately the answer is "yes" but I don't think they are nearly as apparent now as they were just a few years ago because as I have mentioned before double-sided posters had undergone a new look per say when the studios started issuing them with a "lighter" back side to them. Not all studios started doing that at the same time, for example Paramount Pictures I believed started doing it before Warner Brothers as an example. The "feel" as you mentioned is interesting, perhaps you can elaborate on what you meant. I do know though that the double-sided originals for Blade Runner: The Final Cut do feel different than the single-sided originals with regards to the paper stock that was used. While I have both, I can tell the difference based on touch if that is what you meant.

Everyone knows it is much easier to produce a single-sided reprint much easier than a double-sided one, but I remember when The Dark Knight 2nd advance came out in late December 2007 and then Ledger passed at the end of January 2008, that poster was still up in theaters and of course everyone wanted that poster of him (known as the "Why So Serious?" Joker style or the official title of it being the advance style "B"). Most dealers that had originals sold out within days of his passing, and then suddenly you started seeing people flooding eBay with them. I had a few customers of mine email me saying they had noticed MovieGoods offering a 27x40 poster of it and when asked, their customer service stated it was a reproduction (although they didn't state it on the site as they usually seem to refrain from that bit of info) but it was 27x40 and "double-sided". They each verified that what they were told was correct. I myself verified that with them as well and then ordered one and it was a poorly produced knock-off double-sided. I then started questioning people on eBay who suddenly were selling movie posters, particularly that style and all had said they bought them from MovieGoods and thought they were originals because they were double-sided and they though double-sided "meant" it was an original, and that somehow they had goofed and shipped them by mistake. The all said they got really good deals and figured they would order more because they felt they were making money on eBay but they were claiming they were originals when in fact they were poorly produced knock-offs so you had people with zero knowledge of movie posters simply selling them because they "thought" they were originals.

There have been double-sided fakes for Twilight as well as the original Spider-Man, and other titles. You have to remember in every collectible out there, there are a group of people who don't care about the collectors, who don't care about misrepresenting their products, who are simply in it to make a fast buck. From shoes, watches, to women's handbags, there are knockoffs out there being peddled, some to suspecting collectors who figure it out after the fact, to some who haven't a clue and still don't realize they have a fake.

There was a time when all you needed to tell an original from a reprint was the size, then it was if a poster was double-sided or single-sided (although single-sided originals do exist, collectors tend to prefer double-sided when possible, but single-sided originals can be more affordable). In the case of the Joker Dark Knight advance style "B", the market has pretty much dried up in the sense that there isn't this giant flow of them out there. Whatever is out there is out there, those dealers who have them offered on their websites, etc have x amount and once they are gone, they are gone, it's not a poster that is readily available. That is the case of most movie posters, they tend to be the most affordable when they come out and then gradually increase over time, some faster than others. People have asked me what the Joker poster will be worth and its very difficult to tell. It's kind of like saying what a stock will be worth in five years or ten years, etc. No one knows. That poster will always have a following and will continue to rise in value, of course this is just one example for one poster, and naturally is my opinion, and no one else. At the higher end I see dealers offering them for $325-$350, at the lower end I see them being offered for $200 and slightly lower. But with fakes out there on that poster, especially double-sided, you have to remain on guard but authentic ones do exist if you look in the right places.

I am not the world's authority on movie posters, never have claimed to be, there are a lot of very knowledgeable people in the poster industry, most tend to specialize in a certain area, from classics, to 70's through the 90's and those who are more knowledgeable on current releases. I always encourage people to ask questions first to anyone who sells posters, from dealers to those who sell on eBay, and make sure they feel comfortable with their purchase before doing so. If someone doesn't provide the answers or feel put off that a person is asking questions, then don't give them the business.

While I have no problems with people wanting reprints over originals, and no problem with dealers selling reprints and originals on their sites, my problem is when a dealer doesn't bother to list a poster as a reproduction, but also suddenly starts printing them up in the same size as what originals are because reprints were always smaller by at least an inch for many years when it came to poster size. I also take issue with those dealers and individuals, who know who they are, that simply are taking images from the internet and printing up their own posters and trying to pass them off as official when they aren't. What I saw being sold at the recent WonderCon convention was upsetting, especially when someone showed me a Thor poster that never was an actual movie poster but was simply an image made into a poster that looked like it was printed at a local Kinko's, etc. From the grainy fuzzy lettering to the paper stock, it was not even a licensed reprint, it was clearly a counterfeit that someone offered with no hesitation or fear. And then you have those who sell posters, case in point the recent Dark Knight Rises one that features shattered glass and a helicopter in the sky as "unofficial artwork" when in reality they are selling a poster of fan art, etc.

There are plenty of other examples I could cite, but I think you get the idea of what ultimately I am trying to put forth here.

Thanks for the explanation on that. As far as what I describe as feel, to me a double sided feels a bit heavier and has a different texture to it. I don't know if that's just me. I'm not a real expert, I just enjoying collecting posters.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Moleman1138

Thanks for the explanation on that. As far as what I describe as feel, to me a double sided feels a bit heavier and has a different texture to it. I don't know if that's just me. I'm not a real expert, I just enjoying collecting posters.

Not sure about the texture, but generally the paper stock can feel differently, again case in point the Blade Runner: Final Cut, double-sided feels like it is a heavier stock paper over the single-sided originals.

[cto15]

got my Muppet poster from DMR, of course it was not bagged, so the edge had a dent it it. Overall I'd say the poster was in good condition given how it was shipped (no tears or nothing)

[Moleman1138]

Originally Posted by cto15

got my Muppet poster from DMR, of course it was not bagged, so the edge had a dent it it. Overall I'd say the poster was in good condition given how it was shipped (no tears or nothing)

I used up some points for Beauty and the Beast 3D and Lion King IMAX poster, great condition on both. Lion King does have some wear and tear on one of the corners, but besides that great that Disney is releasing them through DMR.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by cto15

got my Muppet poster from DMR, of course it was not bagged, so the edge had a dent it it. Overall I'd say the poster was in good condition given how it was shipped (no tears or nothing)

Never heard of them bagging the posters, when I ship stuff out I always poly sleeve each poster, but you have to remember, as I have mentioned before, companies like the DMR don't understand it is a collectible, they think its just a poster that will be tacked on the wall, and they also dont understand the importance of packaging. This actually applies to A LOT of individuals, that simply think the postal service or UPS, etc handle packages with care when they don't. Every package that gets shipped no matter where they are shipped from are handled by multiple people who toss, drop, stack, you name it, packages all day and all night long and if they treated each package with kid gloves, it would take forever to get your stuff. Proper packaging is very difficult to find anywhere especially when it comes to posters.

[Allforce]

Where can I find this Kinsella? I need it now.

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[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Allforce

Where can I find this Kinsella? I need it now.

That is supposed to be the advance for QT's next film, my guess is that could hit theaters in the next few weeks, which would mean a trailer would be hitting theaters soon too. Other than that, no word yet.

[ChuckT43]

Hey Kinsella. In regards to my ST First Contact advance, mine is not lighter on the reverse side. From your post this leads me to further believe its an original. Thanks for the info.

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by ChuckT43

Hey Kinsella. In regards to my ST First Contact advance, mine is not lighter on the reverse side. From your post this leads me to further believe its an original. Thanks for the info.

It more than likely is original, so I don't think you have anything to worry about. ST:FC was 1996 and none of the studios were printing the backside lighter back then.

[Kinsella5]

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